Gaara is stronger than Sasuke...

[Klaves]

how will kirin not hit someone encased in sand when it has the power to obliterate a whole mountain

Gaara could make a sand shield big enough to block C3. C3>Kirin.

 

[Wik]

My points on the arrow after re-reading it did come off a little fanboyish, but just like a lot of people i want to believe that my fav character has a nearly perfect move so that my bad. But i'll say 50/50 chance of either the shield being pierced by the arrow or the shield successfully doing what no other move has done before and that is stop susanoo arrow.

The thing with sasuke vs gaara during chunnin exams is that sasuke had to get really close to make chidori hit. True gaara will be expecting sasuke to use chidori but gaara doesn't know that sasuke can manipulat chidori. Of course sasuke doesn't know of the current mastery of gaara's new sand abilities(hope i worded that right).

the whole onooki and gaara teamwork to pull madara out of susanoo would need to be explained by kishi himself. I don't want to come off bias or anything.

Can't beleive I am speaking to someone this polite, are you sure you are a fan of Sasuke?

I agree with you about the arrow and Chidori.

Anas I I've previously said in this thread (somewhere) I do think Sasuke is the overall stronger shinobi even though I don't think he is much stronger. I just consider Gaara somewhat of a mismatch for him.

Actually, Amaterasu and Enton are to different things..

First off Amaaterasu-is the highest level Fire Release technique,

Second Blaze Release/Enton- is an advanced chakra nature. Sasuke Uchiha uses this technique when manipulating the unquenchable black flames of Amaterasu.

Do you see the differences?

Enton is manipulating Amaterasu. So, you can say he blocked the manipulated the Blaze Release, but not Amaterasu. Amaterasu is nearly instant it cast on whatever the user is focusing on. There arent too many way to counter/invade it such as.. Raikage V2 reflexes, plus the speed. Or defensive moves like Susanoo, Shedding technique.

Also, the reason why Gaara was able to block the Enton is because he already seen the attack so he was ready to block it. Also, like ive explained it isnt like Amaterasu, which cast on what ever the user is forcing on. Enton is just controlling flames

Now the reason he cant block/invade it Amaaterasu

1- He doesnt even move he stays in one spot ( he isnt even fast) :sy:
2- His reflexes are nearly fast as Raikage or he isnt even a sensor (so he cant block it):sy:

Genjustu-

First off , I dont knw the exist range of the genjustu.. but Sasuke has used plenty of long range genjustus Ex. Sai, C, Deidara.

And you can say Gaara knows about the Uchihas but that is just a assumation . Also, I love how everyone tries to throw around (people)Gaara can fighting without looking. Actually he cant how will he know where Sasuke is ? How will he know if Sasuke using Amaterasu etc.. How can he attack Sasuke without looking at him?


Lighting Release Attacks

You cant compare the Raikage taijustu to Sasuke chidori. An heres why Chidori is a piercing attack with is mention to penerate things. Raikage taijustu is just taijustu with lighting on his body. As we all know Taijustu cant destroy Sand. I believe Rock Lee is a example. See the different..U_U

Endurance- yeah Gaara has that but Sasuke chakra reserve is still good.

Opinion : Sasuke is leagues above Gaara. Also, this thread fails why? not because of you but Ive seen this thread plenty of times it gets old.

i have seen these arguments plenty of times in this thread and others as well.

1: The easiest way of avoiding Amaterasu is to avoid being seen. the full sand sheild + third eye

2: This is also easiest avoided by using sand sheild and the third eye.

And you could say that there is no reason to why he should know about the sharingans genjutsu. But I do think it's safe to assume that the kazekage has heard of the Sharingan and it's abilities. He has even witnessed them (5 kage summit).

Lightning attacks. Just because the raikage didn't get through doesn't mean that Chidori will, also this time Gaara would be prepared of it.

The problem to me is that you put Sasuke on a golden throne of darkness witch isn't there really. most likely Sasuke will grow to wipe the floor with Gaara but he isn't there yet. And he is certainly not leagues above him fanboy. I'd also like to note that this whole thread is based around the idea of Gaara standing in one spot and calmly countering everything that Sasuke does. In a real fight Sasuke would constantly be dodging sand as well. Even if he wouldn't get hit this would at least wear him down and hurt his offense.

This was crazy Sasuke who had been smashed around by A...

In a normal match, Sasuke's speed would take this. Going by the databooks, Gaara's a 29 and Sasuke is a 31.5.

I'd say Gaara would win if he was still the Ichibi's host but not now, he got beat by Deidara even with the Shukaku, damn Deidara..

Aww shucks, I still quite like Deidara even if he did kill my favourite current Kage, you've indirectly messed with my head Misaki Yata! xd

Read the thread. sand sheild->speed.

 

[Fecal Matter]

Gaara could make a sand shield big enough to block C3. C3>Kirin.

i disagree with that

 

[Wik]

how will kirin not hit someone encased in sand when it has the power to obliterate a whole mountain

I highlighted the word prove for a reason. I've never heard of Kirin being ablie to obliterate a mountain. I've heard of it raching the ground pretty darn quick and being "undodgable" but nothing about this. If you want to contribute please give some additional info.

 

[Klaves]

i disagree with that

My rational for it is this: Itachi used Susano to save him from Kirin, but I don't think it could have handled C3. I'm not certain of it by any means.

But, to the point I think Gaara could handle it when you look at how well his shield did against the C3. Even if Kirin is more powerful, it couldn't be by too much, right? No problems handling C3 (besides a huge amount of chakra loss), so there should be little to no problems handling Kirin.

 

[Styles]

Gaara could make a sand shield big enough to block C3. C3>Kirin.

=/ c3 isn't even that strong and yet you say it is stronger than kirin

 

[ixc]

Right, you know things, yet have no counter to any arguments presented to you. You just throw around the word fodderize as if that somehow makes you right. If you really knew anything, you would know that this couldn't possibly be a fodderize situation for either of them in any rational way. It seems that the only thing you do know is how Sasuke's **** feels since you're constantly riding it.

I came with decent arguments but you and your butthole friend are coming up with pathetic counter arguments, cry me an ocean, and fan me.

 

[BlackDude]

i have seen these arguments plenty of times in this thread and others as well.

1: The easiest way of avoiding Amaterasu is to avoid being seen. the full sand sheild + third eye

2: This is also easiest avoided by using sand sheild and the third eye.

And you could say that there is no reason to why he should know about the sharingans genjutsu. But I do think it's safe to assume that the kazekage has heard of the Sharingan and it's abilities. He has even witnessed them (5 kage summit).

Lightning attacks. Just because the raikage didn't get through doesn't mean that Chidori will, also this time Gaara would be prepared of it.

The problem to me is that you put Sasuke on a golden throne of darkness witch isn't there really. most likely Sasuke will grow to wipe the floor with Gaara but he isn't there yet. And he is certainly not leagues above him fanboy. I'd also like to note that this whole thread is based around the idea of Gaara standing in one spot and calmly countering everything that Sasuke does. In a real fight Sasuke would constantly be dodging sand as well. Even if he wouldn't get hit this would at least wear him down and hurt his offense.

Ok, Ive not posting any more Ive tried using logic but apparently you dont understand :sy:

First Off , Gaara isnt a sensor, and as you say Gaara wont be looking at Sasuke eyes. So, how will he know when Amaterasu is coming? Second, the sand shield takes times. What do you think Sasuke will be doing? sitting watching him?

Also,Sasuke could just use Kirin if he were to get into the sand shield effectively. Or he could just cast a genjustu on the third eye.

Sasuke never used a genjustu on anyone in Gaara present so he could of witnessed it! :sy:

Raikage attack , and Sasuke chidori are too different type of attacks . Chidori is a piercing attack it will pierce through.

The fact that you think Gaara could overwhelm a opponent faster than him is crazy. Sasuke could just blitz him seriously you get no more reply your post was too much of a fail :sy:

Only logical people reply

 

[GiantShuriken]

not really, chidori to the face = owned.

 

[Wik]

My rational for it is this: Itachi used Susano to save him from Kirin, but I don't think it could have handled C3. I'm not certain of it by any means.

But, to the point I think Gaara could handle it when you look at how well his shield did against the C3. Even if Kirin is more powerful, it couldn't be by too much, right? No problems handling C3 (besides a huge amount of chakra loss), so there should be little to no problems handling Kirin.

Tbh I'd definately say Kirin->C3. But I still think sandsheild->Kirin. The only thing I even consider strong enough to pierce that full sheild that Sasuke has is that Susanoo arrow and if the sheild for holds that, witch I beleive it would, then Kirin or Chidori wont offer anything stronger.

And still Kirin isn't something you improvise out of your butt when fighting the Kazekage. It takes planning and a long setup. This is stated like... everywhere.

 

[ixc]

Tbh I'd definately say Kirin->C3. But I still think sandsheild->Kirin. The only thing I even consider strong enough to pierce that full sheild that Sasuke has is that Susanoo arrow and if the sheild for holds that, witch I beleive it would, then Kirin or Chidori wont offer anything stronger.

And still Kirin isn't something you improvise out of your butt when fighting the Kazekage. It takes planning and a long setup. This is stated like... everywhere.[/QUOTE]

Might be wrong since Sasuke wanted to perform some kind of Jutsu that looked similair to how Kirin started out of thin air when Sasuke first encountered Naruto in Shipuuden.

 

[Klaves]

Actually, Amaterasu and Enton are to different things..

First off Amaaterasu-is the highest level Fire Release technique,

Second Blaze Release/Enton- is an advanced chakra nature. Sasuke Uchiha uses this technique when manipulating the unquenchable black flames of Amaterasu.

Do you see the differences?

Enton is manipulating Amaterasu. So, you can say he blocked the manipulated the Blaze Release, but not Amaterasu. Amaterasu is nearly instant it cast on whatever the user is focusing on. There arent too many way to counter/invade it such as.. Raikage V2 reflexes, plus the speed. Or defensive moves like Susanoo, Shedding technique.

Also, the reason why Gaara was able to block the Enton is because he already seen the attack so he was ready to block it. Also, like ive explained it isnt like Amaterasu, which cast on what ever the user is forcing on. Enton is just controlling flames

Now the reason he cant block/invade it Amaaterasu

1- He doesnt even move he stays in one spot ( he isnt even fast) :sy:
2- His reflexes are nearly fast as Raikage or he isnt even a sensor (so he cant block it):sy:

Genjustu-

First off , I dont knw the exist range of the genjustu.. but Sasuke has used plenty of long range genjustus Ex. Sai, C, Deidara.

And you can say Gaara knows about the Uchihas but that is just a assumation . Also, I love how everyone tries to throw around (people)Gaara can fighting without looking. Actually he cant how will he know where Sasuke is ? How will he know if Sasuke using Amaterasu etc.. How can he attack Sasuke without looking at him?


Lighting Release Attacks

You cant compare the Raikage taijustu to Sasuke chidori. An heres why Chidori is a piercing attack with is mention to penerate things. Raikage taijustu is just taijustu with lighting on his body. As we all know Taijustu cant destroy Sand. I believe Rock Lee is a example. See the different..U_U

Endurance- yeah Gaara has that but Sasuke chakra reserve is still good.

One Last thing: Don't forget about Sasuke speed.. he could easily blitz Gaara. Sasuke has overwhelmed plenty of people with his speed.

Opinion : Sasuke is leagues above Gaara. Also, this thread fails why? not because of you but Ive seen this thread plenty of times it gets old.

What you said about the use of normal Amaterasu is true, but you'd just better hope he isn't covered in a dome or something of the sort. Not even taking Gaara's counterattacks or shield/dome of any kind into account, Sasuke also better be sure he is wasting his Amaterasu by hitting Gaara who could later shed sand armor to remove the flames from himself. Using the flames in general could be risky as well since Gaara could control the sand that is on fire and use it against Sasuke, and in the worst case scenario for Sasuke he would have to waste chakra to put the flames out.

As for Gaara's mobility, he can move as fast as his sand can. Even in the chunin exams he was able to seemingly rise out of the ground due to traveling underground within his sand. If Gaara goes into a dome and Sasuke attacks it, there is no guarantee Gaara will still be in that dome.

Gaara will obviously try to avoid looking at Sasuke, due to his knowledge of him and his arsenal. Gaara's third eye would be vital in ensuring his success, but in that lies a possible disadvantage. If Sasuke is able to locate and perform a genjutsu on that eye, he may be able to catch Gaara in one. On the other hand, I'm sure Gaara could release the eye if he felt threatened by Sasuke's approach.

While I don't think Sasuke is leagues above Gaara, I'd say he is a bit stronger. However, Gaara is just a bad match up for him.

 

[Wik]

Ok, Ive not posting any more Ive tried using logic but apparently you dont understand :sy:

First Off , Gaara isnt a sensor, and as you say Gaara wont be looking at Sasuke eyes. So, how will he know when Amaterasu is coming? Second, the sand shield takes times. What do you think Sasuke will be doing? sitting watching him?

Also,Sasuke could just use Kirin if he were to get into the sand shield effectively. Or he could just cast a genjustu on the third eye.

Sasuke never used a genjustu on anyone in Gaara present so he could of witnessed it! :sy:

Raikage attack , and Sasuke chidori are too different type of attacks . Chidori is a piercing attack it will pierce through.

The fact that you think Gaara could overwhelm a opponent faster than him is crazy. Sasuke could just blitz him seriously you get no more reply your post was too much of a fail :sy:

Only logical people reply

you talk about logic, you apply none. As Gaara has a brain he will assume it is coming since he knows Sasuke can use it. He will defend for it before it is used.

He would obviously start applying his sheild from the front and then move backwards to avoid any amaterasu the regular sand will do while waiting. To just put up sand in front of yourself to block vision is not a 5 minute process.

There is nothing pointing towards Kirin piercing the sheild and you can't use genjutsu on sand wich is what the eye consists of.

Gaara was abducted and kille by the akutski. Do you really try to imply that he wouldn't know by now that Uchiha uses genjutsu. itachi is a member of akutski you know.

I said that just because Raikage didn't hit doesn't mean that Chidori would. A kunai is called a piercing weapon that doesn't make it automatically pierce any wall or barrier. It's the same with Chidori NONE of this proves anything about Chidoris piercing power of the sand sheild, you are just avoiding the question.

If you'd had read what I actually wrote avbout Gaara you'd had understand what I said.

"In a real fight Sasuke would constantly be dodging sand as well. Even if he wouldn't get hit this would at least wear him down and hurt his offense."

That doesn't mean that Gaara is better than Sasuke offensively. That means that Sasuke wouldn't get to just stand still and aim his attacks without dodging as well.

The way you end your post makes me say this. You sir are a fanboy. You don't read posts when arguing for your loverboy you just spam crap and say "Sasuke could just blitz him seriously.".

You most likely have a crush on a fictional character and won't listen to reason even if you did actually read anything someone wrote to you. I am going to bed now hope you have a nice evening little boy.

not really, chidori to the face = owned.

^^ This is how you look Blackdude

Might be wrong since Sasuke wanted to perform some kind of Jutsu that looked similair to how Kirin started out of thin air when Sasuke first encountered Naruto in Shipuuden.

"Unlike most techiniques, which are based on a users chakra, this uses natural lightning which Zetsu says reaches the ground in 1/1000th of a second. However, the preparation time required also decreases the technique's efficiency; if there are no active thunder clouds the user must create them by using powerful fire techniques to produce the necessary storm conditions."

This is quote from the description of Kirin in Narutopedia it's in the manga as well in Sasuke Itachi part but as I am going to bed I am not really interested in looking for it now.

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[Fecal Matter]

not really, chidori to the face = owned.

I can see this thread turning to shit because of people like him.

 

[ixc]

I can see this thread turning to shit because of people like him.

This thread is already shit since it's not even based on reality and because you made it. You're so mad, fan me.

 

[Klaves]

This thread is already shit since it's not even based on reality and because you made it. You're so mad, fan me.

What?

 

[NLee]

we can compare gaara and sasuke from a similar opponent he fought.
that is deidara.
3t sasuke with his superior intelligence defeated deidara while gaara with jinchuriki lost.
one point to be noted.

gaara's only protection is sand.if gaara is fighting in a desert only then he can spam his sand aatacks but rather than that he only have his small pot of sand which is not enough since ems sasuke can literally spam amaterasu which would give him the victory.

if gaara is in desert he wins with high difficulty but except that he loses in all scenario

I like how you neglected to mention the fact that Gaara intentionally sacrificed himself to save the village. The fact that they were fighting above the village is the only reason Deidara got the upper hand.

As for the bit about Gaara not having enough sand, Gaara can easily create sand from the ground without effort:

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Gaara can crush the rocks and minerals to create additional sand. He is never limited to just the sand in his little gourd.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I know what most fellow Sasuke fans will say
" We haven't seen his EMS in full action" But i am basing my side of the arguments from manga facts.
We've only seen Sasuke use his new powers against the zetus but we can hardly call that a real fight.
Now enough of Sasuke lets talk

Counter to Sasuke's strongest attack.Amatarasu

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Counter to Genjutsu:Gaara is a long ranged fighter so Sasuke's Genjutsus are useless unless he gets up close and Gaara already has Intel on how Uchiha's use there Genjutsus so him not looking directly into Sasuke's eyes is a piece of cake especially while having a fighting style like Gaaras.

Counter to Chidori:People use this panel as a excuse for Sasuke to actually land a hit on Gaara.

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But Gaaras sand is more than capable f guarding raton moves for example

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Endurance against 5 Susanoo's:He took on five Susanoo's and in my opinion took the least damage out of the five,he even had to save Mei while holding off the other 5.

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Give me your opinions too guys thnx for reading and please tell me if it was too long since its the first thread i've actually made,thnx again guys.

Agree not to mention gaara has more chakra and stamina then sasuke

But ok gaara has good chance he can block genjutsu wit 3rd eye we do not know if it gets caught in genjutsu but gaara can move it and hide it so there for he will be safe against genjutstu

Susanno arrows currently he shot one a kabuto he dodge it and hit a boulder it didn't even destroy a boulder gaara sand defense >>>>>>>>>>>boulder seeing as its seeping with chakra and created from strongest minerals the amatsaratsu it states in its description the only thing it wasnt able to burn was gaara sand just look up the jutsu and u will see it say tht

Gaara can fly ppl say sasuke can use hawk I agree but u do relize he won't be protected by Susanno and won't be able move freely while in air gaara sand comes from all directions look at his previous fights
Ppl say gaara needed onooki jutsu to get madara out of Susanno but they forget to relize gaara has been fighting since this war started he was tired he's been fighting for days straight madara was fresh and is an edo witch is immortality infinite chakra and stamina
Plus gaara and onooki block to metors right b4 madara started going off

The lighting attacks well seeing as A didnt do anything to gaara's sand when his body was sardounded in lighting he can still touch him so lighting won't save sasuke from gaara's grabs and sand burials / imperial funnerals now as for chidori and the chidori sword does sasuke even carry a sword haven't seen it since kage summit (I might b wrong) and yes it pierced part 1 but remember it was hard as hell for sasuke to pierce it it took long as hell for it to pierce and in the end sasuke had to chidori again just to get his hand out of the sand ball
Gaara's sand is that strong in part 1 stronger when he fought kimmi even stronger when he fought deidara gotten both stronger and faster when he defended and attacked sasuke
And now is faster then ever plus he can fight in air instead of being in sasuke chidori reach
Gaara has proven to be more smarter then sasuke in battle and has way better chakra and stamina then sasuke (sasuke couldn't handle A gaara onooki or Mei or Danzo for the matter) (gaara was able to take out 3 kages edo immortality infinite stamina and chakra and still fighting madara doing all this days straight without no breaks)

Gaara sand manage to block amatsaratsu (check amaterasu data it says it couldn't burn it didn't say Enton or blaze release it says Amaterasu) stop A from attacking
Caught the 3rd raikage (stronger then A) caught muu mizukage and his dad

Survived 5 susannos with legs so those things are faster and stronger then sasuke Susanno and are mobile and let's not forget he defended every kage exception of onooki from mokoton witch is an instant (I repeat instant) Forrest his sand speed is pretty epic not only for himself but for his teamates as well
If sasuke stayes in Susanno he will be buried underground like kimmi just tht sasuke Dnt have bone structure to survive
Gaara can create a desert on his own like he did with kimmi

Currently in my opinion sasuke and gaara is equal this recent manga chapter proved gaara has no problems fighting 5 mobile susannos and protecting Mei from her 5 susannos

My actual facts gaara can beat sasuke

 

[Wood Release]

He is and should be stronger than sasuke. Everything points at this fact, but only Naruto and Sasuke could be the best in Kishis eyes

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

we can compare gaara and sasuke from a similar opponent he fought.
that is deidara.
3t sasuke with his superior intelligence defeated deidara while gaara with jinchuriki lost.
one point to be noted.

gaara's only protection is sand.if gaara is fighting in a desert only then he can spam his sand aatacks but rather than that he only have his small pot of sand which is not enough since ems sasuke can literally spam amaterasu which would give him the victory.

if gaara is in desert he wins with high difficulty but except that he loses in all scenario

Gaara only lost to protect his village
Sasuke won against deidara due to plot because he was out of chakra yet he was able to summon manda

Gaara carries a mini desert on his back
And why ppl b like gaara in a desert ..... He can make one in seconds -_-