Sigh.. your logic is flawed. Only because he demonstrated hand seals we have not seen in any of his other jutsu's does not mean it has to be Kirin. Mine is not even assumption as I never assumed it was Kirin, therefore not counting it. Yours is a fallacy, and is only assumed because he puts his hand up and you want it to be Kirin. So the only logical thing to do is not assume it is Kirin, which would mean it renders invalid in a versus thread.
Now for the people who are using Garra pulled Madara from his Susanoo as an example as to why Garra Sand is Sasuke's Susanoo weakness then let me explain to use something.
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^People originally forgot about the part where Onoki made the Sand Light for Garra in order for him to pull Madara out from his Susanoo.........now that being said Garra needs to make the Sand to be Light in order to pull Sasuke from his Susanoo and that can't happen without Onoki's help.
EMS=MS without risk of going blind. It doesn't provide more powerful attacks in any way. it's just the same attacks without the going blind thing. I am to lazy to find the manga number when this is said so feel free to prove me wrong on this.
People might not think about this, but Sasuke has Kirin on his side....you might say Kirin takes a long time, but that not the case at all.
There are two different ways Kirin can be use
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^Sasuke uses the Lighting from the sky when he's using it with Natural energy from the atmosphere.
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^But he also needs to shot a Lighting up to the sky in order for Kirin to work.......the Lighting from the sky can be there, but if Sasuke doesn't shot the Lighting from his hand and up to the sky then Kirin won't work.
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^He can use his own Natural Chakra to create Kirin, but it won't be at the same level as with Natural energy.
Sasuke formed a hand sign because he was using his own Natural Chakra while the second time he didn't formed any hand sign because do to him using the Natural energy from the the atmosphere.
Natural Chakra=hand sing
Natural Energy=no hand sing
But Amaterasu isn't something that travel's....the second Sasuke says "Amaterasu" the attack comes point blank range right at your face......Garra's third sees something mid or long ranges away, but Amaterasu is a point blank and that's why the attack is really fast.
THe point isn't the third eye. The point is that amaterasu can only hit what Sasuke can see. and if Gaara is encased in sand he can only see the sand. If he sets the sand on fire Gaara can easily replace the sand on fire with new sand.
Now for the people who are using Garra pulled Madara from his Susanoo as an example as to why Garra Snad is Sasuke's Susanoo than let me explain to use something.
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^People originally forgot about the part where Onoki made the Sand Light for Garra in order for him to pull Madara out from his Susanoo.........now that being said Garra needs to make the Sand Light in order to pull Sasuke from his Susanoo and that can't happen without Onoki's help.
But how would the sands weight make it harder/easier to grab someone in Susanoo. The weight difference could just as well be to make it faster. so it's easier to catch him or the move will be quicker. There's no logic in it making any difference on the subject of wether the move would be possible with regular sand. And neither do they say anywhere that he can't be pulled out of it since the sand is to heavy, right?
1. Gaara isn't distracted by fireballs, his sand solves those things automatically.
2. Kirin needs to be prepared.
3. As I said like 15 times in this thread encasing himself in sand would protect against amterasu and involving his sword would just be stupid.
Sasuke's speed wont do anything if the sand egg is applied since he is covered all around his body. And the rest is just empty statements that has now value in them except your word. Being an Uchiha doesn't give you more chakra than everyone else. The person that has the largest chakra reserves I think is Kisame and he's not an Uchiha. You know what does require Chakra. Susanoo.
The funny thing is I knew it would come down to this, fanboys using the Uchiha name as an argument to why Sasuke would win.
The funny thing is that i knew it would come down to this that people underrate Sasuke. It's stated that the Uchiha in general have higher chakra reserves than any other shinobi dumb**** lol that's what i'm talking about so it's pretty obvious that Sasuke has more chakra than Gaara, Sasuke is also smarter than Gaara and raped him during the Chunin exams with only a 3 Tomoe sharingan lol he has the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan now with hackslike jutsu's, Gaara can't match Amaturasu's speed, and it's stated in the manga that Amaturasu burns untill the object it hit burns completely down to nothing so Gaara's little eggsandshieldshit also doesn't stand a chance against Amaturasu, i even bet that the arrows are able to penetrate Gaara's sandshield.
EMS=MS without risk of going blind. It doesn't provide more powerful attacks in any way. it's just the same attacks without the going blind thing. I am to lazy to find the manga number when this is said so feel free to prove me wrong on this.
Kirin still wont hit somebody who is encased in sand.
THe point isn't the third eye. The point is that amaterasu can only hit what Sasuke can see. and if Gaara is encased in sand he can only see the sand. If he sets the sand on fire Gaara can easily replace the sand on fire with new sand.
The funny thing is that i knew it would come down to this that people underrate Sasuke. It's stated that the Uchiha in general have higher chakra reserves than any other shinobi dumb**** lol that's what i'm talking about so it's pretty obvious that Sasuke has more chakra than Gaara, Sasuke is also smarter than Gaara and raped him during the Chunin exams with only a 3 Tomoe sharingan lol he has the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan now with hackslike jutsu's, Gaara can't match Amaturasu's speed, and it's stated in the manga that Amaturasu burns untill the object it hit burns completely down to nothing so Gaara's little eggsandshieldshit also doesn't stand a chance against Amaturasu, i even bet that the arrows are able to penetrate Gaara's sandshield.
You compare Part 1 Gaara to Part 2 Gaara.Your making Sasuke fans seem stupid even though they're not.
And if u actually bothered to look at the manga panel you can see that amatarasu was just staying on the sand.
Whats stopping Gaara from removing the amatarasu with another layer of sand? And no one has any proof on Sasuke's arrows being able to penetrate the arrows.
But Gaara could tank Madara's Sword so anything is possible.
Not bad points but the only flaw in your reasoning is that you are using to different fighting styles(madara's) to explain why sasuke loses. Madara's fighting style is to completely overpower his opponent while sasuke's techniques are more piercing( this means his technique are meant to pierce through any and all defences).
Now on to why i believe sasuke beats gaara.
Gaara is very strong and only an idiot would say he is weak. Gaara's main flaw is practically his greatest strength. Let me explain, gaara's defense is near absolute and because of this gaara really doesn't really have to move to protect himself from his opponents attack. This will cause him to lose to sasuke since sasuke can also attack long range and has a move with a 99.9% chance of going through all defenses( kudos to anyone who understands the reason i used 99.9%). Now some people say that gaara can through sasuke out of susanoo like he did against madara but they seem to forget how he accomplished this. With the use of onooki support, gaara sand became light enough to proceed with throwing madara out of susanoo. Without onooki gaara does not have the ability to throw sasuke out of susanoo.
sasuke beats gaara mid diff away from desert but sasuke wins high diff in desert. This will change when we get more info on sasuke now that he has ems.
The funny thing is that i knew it would come down to this that people underrate Sasuke. It's stated that the Uchiha in general have higher chakra reserves than any other shinobi dumb**** lol that's what i'm talking about so it's pretty obvious that Sasuke has more chakra than Gaara, Sasuke is also smarter than Gaara and raped him during the Chunin exams with only a 3 Tomoe sharingan lol he has the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan now with hackslike jutsu's, Gaara can't match Amaturasu's speed, and it's stated in the manga that Amaturasu burns untill the object it hit burns completely down to nothing so Gaara's little eggsandshieldshit also doesn't stand a chance against Amaturasu, i even bet that the arrows are able to penetrate Gaara's sandshield.
Please show me the manga page stating Uchiha's have more chakra then all other shinobi's, because I clearly recall it saying they have the most intense chakra, which shows you have poor interpretation skills. Referring back to the chunin exams is like referring to Nazi Germany being the strongest part, when that is not the case anymore, looking at things that are far in the past is ignorant. Show me the manga page saying EMS will give birth to new jutsu, I suggest you start reading manga from right to left. Gaara has already blocked Amateratsu with his automatic shield, and it wasn't even able to burn through it, so your next point about it burning Gaara's egg shield into nothing is completely false. I doubt Susano'o arrow would harm the Sand shield to the point where it comes close to Gaara.
The funny thing is that i knew it would come down to this that people underrate Sasuke. It's stated that the Uchiha in general have higher chakra reserves than any other shinobi dumb**** lol that's what i'm talking about so it's pretty obvious that Sasuke has more chakra than Gaara, Sasuke is also smarter than Gaara and raped him during the Chunin exams with only a 3 Tomoe sharingan lol he has the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan now with hackslike jutsu's, Gaara can't match Amaturasu's speed, and it's stated in the manga that Amaturasu burns untill the object it hit burns completely down to nothing so Gaara's little eggsandshieldshit also doesn't stand a chance against Amaturasu, i even bet that the arrows are able to penetrate Gaara's sandshield.
Where is that stated? when looking at narutopedia it says they are known for their powerful chakra techniques, not their powerful chakra reserves. If you are going to state things as facts back it up as FTG V2 does so we actually know you are not making shit up.
Sand is not an object a corn of sand is. that's why all sand in world isn't burnt to the ground when hit with amaterasu. We have shown this in the manga.
We've allready talked about arrows.
And also even you yourself said that "Uchiha in general have higher chakra reserves than any other shinobi". Do you know the meaning of the phrase in general? It practically means that they have stronger reserves then fodder in this case. Gaara isn't your everyday shinobi. He is the Kazekage the strongest shonibi f the sand. Stop assuming bullshit and argue with facts as backup and use your head instead.
This is a good point I had actually forgot that I read this. Realizing that I am a out in deep water this is more of a question then a statement. We don't really know what this ability does do we? We don't really know that Sasuke has mastered it even though he has EMS, do we? If we don't know what it does or if he can do it, it's really hard to account for it in a comparison like this.
Show me a manga panel where sasuke used Kirin without using the long method?
And if you show me the same panel as FT V2 i'll just completely ignore your whole argument.
You compare Part 1 Gaara to Part 2 Gaara.Your making Sasuke fans seem stupid even though they're not.
And if u actually bothered to look at the manga panel you can see that amatarasu was just staying on the sand.
Whats stopping Gaara from removing the amatarasu with another layer of sand? And no one has any proof on Sasuke's arrows being able to penetrate the arrows.
But Gaara could tank Madara's Sword so anything is possible.
Amaturasu burns untill the object it hit burns to nothing lol another layer of sand won't put it out, it was just staying on the sand because it takes some time to burn it completely but Sasuke stopped Amaturasu before that could happen.
That's technically true. He does however need to use one of the five senses to apply the genjutsu and since we have only confirmed that he can use visual genjutsu encasing himself in sand and using his third eye would protect him.
Haven't even mentioned 5 madaras and some more crap. But what I did say was that OP covered all YOUR pointers. including his most high speed attack (except Kirin but that needs a looong setup) Chidori.
So what me and OP are saying here is that Gaara has at least a good counter for EVERY one of Sasukes attacks. This leads to us thinking that as long as the fight takes place anywhere but at sea sasuke has a clear disadvantage in this fight. Ofc shit can always happen and you cant count anyone out. But you still haven't given us an argument that hasn't been covered to why Sasuke should have the upper hand.
Not bad points but the only flaw in your reasoning is that you are using to different fighting styles(madara's) to explain why sasuke loses. Madara's fighting style is to completely overpower his opponent while sasuke's techniques are more piercing( this means his technique are meant to pierce through any and all defences).
Now on to why i believe sasuke beats gaara.
Gaara is very strong and only an idiot would say he is weak. Gaara's main flaw is practically his greatest strength. Let me explain, gaara's defense is near absolute and because of this gaara really doesn't really have to move to protect himself from his opponents attack. This will cause him to lose to sasuke since sasuke can also attack long range and has a move with a 99.9% chance of going through all defenses( kudos to anyone who understands the reason i used 99.9%). Now some people say that gaara can through sasuke out of susanoo like he did against madara but they seem to forget how he accomplished this. With the use of onooki support, gaara sand became light enough to proceed with throwing madara out of susanoo. Without onooki gaara does not have the ability to throw sasuke out of susanoo.
sasuke beats gaara mid diff away from desert but sasuke wins high diff in desert. This will change when we get more info on sasuke now that he has ems.
What move are you refering to? I can't see any move in Sasukes arsenal that would have a hit ratio anywhere near that against Gaara.
Your whole thing about the difference in Madara and Sasuke fighting styles. What do you base this on? What similar moves are you refering to?
We have compared Gaaras sheild against Sasukes susanoos sword attack. The ranged one we've ignored since there isn't a case where his sheild's been hit by a susanoo arrow.
We've not seen a chidori penetrate the sand sheild since chuunin exams and that was VERY long ago and only once. it's not even sure that it would penetrate his sheild if he was expecting it. Maybe he could make it thicker even then and there. and it's almost certain that his defenses has gotten stronger the last years.
Amaterasu isn't pericing anything, besides we've covered it.
The whole thing about Onooki is basically an assumption as far as I can tell, you don't even know for sure that ligthening the sand was for the purpose of making it possible to pull him out, it might've been to make sure he couldn't evade the sand, making the move quicker or something else. No where does it say or show that he can't be pulled out with regular sand.
