[Theory] Future admirals.

[Fujitora]

Kizaru only 'kicks' fodders from what we've seen.

I still can't see how you can put a newly promoted admiral above Kizaru.

 

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Coby must already be peaking at high Mid TIER. And add the fact that he's growth rate far surpasses anyone's in this entire series. It is highly, highly likely that he'll become Admiral class/Top TIER by the time Luffy becomes PK.



>Kizaru uses a sword when he engages in a full-out fight against a strong Haki user
>Roger's First Mate (Rayliegh) fought Kizaru + plus he's a swordsman
>Whitebeards First Mate (Marco) fought Kizaru + plus Marco was shown with a sword when he joined WB; implying that he was a swordsman until he consumed his DF and stopped using his sword. Because why could someone with fiery-wings use a sword?
>Shanks' First Mate confronted Kizaru

And as for Fujitora fighting Zoro, I theorize Kaido being the one to kill him. Hence when Luffy beats Akainu (before he fights BB), Zoro will fight Kizaru as Sanji will fight the Admiral who'll be introduced around that time.

Did you not read the colour palette segment of the thread? If Fujitora dies there must be an Orange admiral before it happens. Kizaru in my opinion is the weakest link and therefore I believe he should be the first gone.
If he isn't then as the weakest link he will fight the weakest link of the M3. Sanji.

Marco wasn't the first mate. He was called first division commander : not first mate , there isn't a first mate in the Whitebeard pirates and anyhow is say vista would be a better first mate as I think he is stronger.
Marco was sub admiral level ( only just ) and vista went toe to toe with Mihawk whom is above admiral level.

 

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Did you not read the colour palette segment of the thread? If Fujitora dies there must be an Orange admiral before it happens. Kizaru in my opinion is the weakest link and therefore I believe he should be the first gone.
If he isn't then as the weakest link he will fight the weakest link of the M3. Sanji.

Why would someone representing orange he one to fill in Fujitora's spot when he represents purple?

Marco wasn't the first mate. He was called first division commander : not first mate , there isn't a first mate in the Whitebeard pirates and anyhow is say vista would be a better first mate as I think he is stronger.
Marco was sub admiral level ( only just ) and vista went toe to toe with Mihawk whom is above admiral level.

He was shown to be the first person by WB's side when WB's flashbacks occurred. Furthermore, Marco was the one making the decisions after WB was killed. Hell, WB was directly talking to Marco when he slashed the ground, and Vista was there. Hence Marco being FM is most plausible.

And as for him not being Admiral level. Marco fought Kizaru on equal terms. After all, against everyone Kizaru faced, his shown to be in a joyful/hysterical manner. Whereas when he collided with Marco (albeit the first time he was himself), near the end of their fight, he was quite pissed. So there's no doubt Marco is Admiral class.

 

[Fujitora]

Not to mention he was singled out by Shanks and the Gorosei.

 

[kuramasage]

They way I see it, in the Final War it'll be:
Luffy vs Akainu (vs Blackbeard?)
Sanji vs Kizaru (vs a BB crewmemeber?)
Law vs Fujitora
Zoro'll be fighting Mihawk (and possibly Shilliew). Ryokugyu'll either have been defeat earlier in the series or fight Smoker.

 

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Why would someone representing orange he one to fill in Fujitora's spot when he represents purple?

Take a look at the colours. PRE TS they all had primary colours. Now there are two secondary colours. The third one being orange.

The next admiral will be orange. Which powerful fruit has an orange appearence? Mera Mera no Mi.

The primary colours Red, Blue and Yellow. The next admiral will be orange to make a palette of secondary colours. Purple,Green,Orange. Hence YELLOW must go as Sakuzaki is no longer referred to as Akainu by Marines.

He was shown to be the first person by WB's side when WB's flashbacks occurred. Furthermore, Marco was the one making the decisions after WB was killed. Hell, WB was directly talking to Marco when he slashed the ground, and Vista was there. Hence Marco being FM is most plausible.

But since there are no first mates , division commanders instead you cannot argue he was a first mate as all members of the crew have the same importance to Whitebeard ( except the fodder ).

And as for him not being Admiral level. Marco fought Kizaru on equal terms. After all, against everyone Kizaru faced, his shown to be in a joyful/hysterical manner. Whereas when he collided with Marco (albeit the first time he was himself), near the end of their fight, he was quite pissed. So there's no doubt Marco is Admiral class.

Marco is either the lowest of admiral class or sits just above Doflamingo in the sub admiral tiers.

 

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The primary colours Red, Blue and Yellow. The next admiral will be orange to make a palette of secondary colours. Purple,Green,Orange. Hence YELLOW must go as Sakuzaki is no longer referred to as Akainu by Marines.

Ah, I get it.

But since there are no first mates , division commanders instead you cannot argue he was a first mate as all members of the crew have the same importance to Whitebeard ( except the fodder ).

Yes, just as there is no FM in the SH crew. But if there was, it would be Zoro 'cause when push comes to shove (especially when there captain isn't doing what is right for the crew), Zoro is the one who delivers. As evident when he told Nami to know her place and shut up (which Sanji agreed to) and gave Luffy the speech about why he shouldn't go and find Ussop and let him come to them. So with that said, if time calls for it, the FM of the WB pirates would most likely be Marco. And yes, they may not have a FM. But when WB first established his crew as captain, I doubt he'd have divisions from the get-go. So when he just had an average crew (in terms of size), Marco would've been FM.

Marco is either the lowest of admiral class or sits just above Doflamingo in the sub admiral tiers.

I doubt Vista is any stronger than Marco (if he is even stronger than him). But we can't argue this, simply 'cause of both their fights (being against Admiral-class) opponents lasting for a short amount of time.

 

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Ah, I get it.Yes, just as there is no FM in the SH crew. But if there was, it would be Zoro 'cause when push comes to shove (especially when there captain isn't doing what is right for the crew), Zoro is the one who delivers. As evident when he told Nami to know her place and shut up (which Sanji agreed to) and gave Luffy the speech about why he shouldn't go and find Ussop and let him come to them. So with that said, if time calls for it, the FM of the WB pirates would most likely be Marco. And yes, they may not have a FM. But when WB first established his crew as captain, I doubt he'd have divisions from the get-go. So when he just had an average crew (in terms of size), Marco would've been FM.


I doubt Vista is any stronger than Marco (if he is even stronger than him). But we can't argue this, simply 'cause of both their fights (being against Admiral-class) opponents lasting for a short amount of time.

I see where you're coming from.
We still need to see Kizaru in the NW , we've seen Kuzan and Sakuzaki. I think he will die when we next see him after we are introduced to Ryokugyu and see Sengoku and Garp again. Because hopefully by that Riine the M3 and Coby would be admiral level.

 

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I see where you're coming from.
We still need to see Kizaru in the NW , we've seen Kuzan and Sakuzaki. I think he will die when we next see him after we are introduced to Ryokugyu and see Sengoku and Garp again. Because hopefully by that Riine the M3 and Coby would be admiral level.

I'm guessing the next time we see Kizaru and Ryokugyu is revealed, 2 Emperor's would've fallen by then. But it all depends on how Oda is going to progress the story.

 

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I'm guessing the next time we see Kizaru and Ryokugyu is revealed, 2 Emperor's would've fallen by then. But it all depends on how Oda is going to progress the story.

I wanna see Kidd and his allies fight Ryokugyu ( he would be sent to stop them taking big mams head as it would destroy the power balance ). It would give us a powerscale of how strong Luffy really is as he hasn't gone up against old foes we know the strength of. But because we can estimate an admirals strength it may happen ( unlikely though )

 

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I wanna see Kidd and his allies fight Ryokugyu ( he would be sent to stop them taking big mams head as it would destroy the power balance ). It would give us a powerscale of how strong Luffy really is as he hasn't gone up against old foes we know the strength of. But because we can estimate an admirals strength it may happen ( unlikely though )

I hope this happens aswell. Although if Ryokugu loses he'll end up looking like fodder (new admiral going down too easily) and if Kid loses it'll seem like the timeskip was for nothing (+ plot is on his side). I hope they face Ryokugu but the fight will go similar to the way it's going with Law, Doffy and Fuji. It'll end with someone stopping it.

 

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I wanna see Kidd and his allies fight Ryokugyu ( he would be sent to stop them taking big mams head as it would destroy the power balance ). It would give us a powerscale of how strong Luffy really is as he hasn't gone up against old foes we know the strength of. But because we can estimate an admirals strength it may happen ( unlikely though )

Hm, I thought of a scenario where the Kidd alliance will fight an Admiral instead of an Emperor. That seems highly plausible (though it's not how I'd like things to progress, I still think it can happen).

 

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An admiral would not look like fodder if they lost to Kidd,Apoo and Hawkins whom are three of they six strongest of the worst generation ( the other three being Law, Luffy and Drake ).

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You could say its similar to an admiral vs Momonga,Onigumo and Strawberry

 

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An admiral would not look like fodder if they lost to Kidd,Apoo and Hawkins whom are three of they six strongest of the worst generation ( the other three being Law, Luffy and Drake ).

3v1
You could say its similar to an admiral vs Momonga,Onigumo and Strawberry

I thought you meant for ryokugou to lose 1v1 against Kid. Anyways, him losing so early would still be a mistake. Also, it would make him look rather weak, considering how an admiral is supposed to be somewhere near Yonko.

 

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I thought you meant for ryokugou to lose 1v1 against Kid. Anyways, him losing so early would still be a mistake. Also, it would make him look rather weak, considering how an admiral is supposed to be somewhere near Yonko.

Law+Luffy vs Kaidou is 30% chance if success
15% each right?
Kidd+Apoo+Hawkins vs Kaidou is ( I estimate ) 45% chance

We saw a dying Yonkou obliterate Akainu ( strongest admiral )
So I'd say Admirals are little over 50 percent of a Yonkous individual strength ( but more like 80 percent of teaches strength )

I'd say Ryokugyu would push them back causing a retreat. Then they would try to take big mams head another time.

 

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Law+Luffy vs Kaidou is 30% chance if success
15% each right?
Kidd+Apoo+Hawkins vs Kaidou is ( I estimate ) 45% chance

We saw a dying Yonkou obliterate Akainu ( strongest admiral )
So I'd say Admirals are little over 50 percent of a Yonkous individual strength ( but more like 80 percent of teaches strength )

I'd say Ryokugyu would push them back causing a retreat. Then they would try to take big mams head another time.

It depends on which Yonko. Whitebeard was a legend and equal to the 3 strongest characters in the series. When Law said that Him+Luffy had a 30% chance he didn't mean in fighting Kaido. He meant in how successful the plan that Law has come up with is.

@bold this is how i see it happening.

 

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It depends on which Yonko. Whitebeard was a legend and equal to the 3 strongest characters in the series. When Law said that Him+Luffy had a 30% chance he didn't mean in fighting Kaido. He meant in how successful the plan that Law has come up with is.

@bold this is how i see it happening.

Oda would play it safe so...

For the plan to work: ultimately they have to beat Kaidou in a fight.

 

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Oda would play it safe so...

For the plan to work: ultimately they have to beat Kaidou in a fight.

Yeah but the plan consists of alot of other things. Like taking down Doflamingo, destroying SAD, etc.

 

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Yeah but the plan consists of alot of other things. Like taking down Doflamingo, destroying SAD, etc.

I already knew that
I still think to fight Kaidou Drake and one of Bartolomeo and Cavendish will have to join the alliance.

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The monkey and the crab fight. Could Kizaru battle Coby for the rank of admiral?