Funny how Naruto

[Styles]

same can be said for sasuke as he only has one rinnegan.

Solo was fast.

It's hilarious you think I care about your opinion.

With or without the nine tails, Naruto always had more potential than Sasuke.

:leaf:

 

[oShux]

Without the Kyuubi, Naruto's potential ends slightly after the Invasion of Pain arc.



There is nothing to prove. You have yet to say anything of substance here. Make a claim and I will tear it down.

Going by your logic just like how Naruto's potential ends without the Kyuubi, Sasuke's potential ends without Itachi's eyes. and Obito's surgical skills. He would've been a bumbling blind idiot, without those two, and a white zetsu clone would've solo'd that clown neg diff.

 

[Jcub]

This isn't a borrowed power argument, this is an argument of Naruto's progression with and without the Kyuubi. Try again.

How is that different?

Its the same arguement of potential. Honestly I didn't go back far enough. Remember when he spent 3 years in a drug induced coma while Oro altered him... See when you take these things away... he loses a ton of potential doesn't he? Just like you're saying without Kurama he stops at pain, for arguements sake... sure he stops there, but without Curse mark, Oro drug cocktails and Itachi's eyes...where would sauce be?

 

[riley freeman]

Sage giveaway

And all chakra is kaguya give away, your point?

 

[riley freeman]

That is a certain kind of potential but knows all jutsu doesn't mean you can use them effectively. Kakashi and Oro is prime examples of shinobi knowing an amazing amount of jutus, yet not really helping them much.

Edit: To be fair, kish is a lazy writer... but it didn't give them any power ups for knowing them.

Yes, but OP said naruto has more potential so he is wrong right?

 

[Jcub]

And all chakra is kaguya give away, your point?

That is a valid point.

 

[bowflex]

And all chakra is kaguya give away, your point?

And Madara > Kaguya, your point?

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

same can be said for sasuke as he only has one rinnegan.

Exactly, this sasuke bashing needs to stop, same with Naruto.

 

[Jcub]

Yes, but OP said naruto has more potential so he is wrong right?

I was trying to point out that knowing jutsu might have been a good way to express potential if we didn't see two other genius types fail at it so hard.

Without getting into a side argument, maybe we can agree on character types in manga. The hard worker has the most potential almost exclusively, I could argue that is why Kish decided on Naruto's character opposed to Sasuke's. If you don't agree fine, then we I would contract my previous comment for the sake of the OP

 

[DoubleKamui]

Naruto has always had half of Kurama inside him, besides the time when he was missing Yang Kurama. If you suddenly want to give Naruto the Yang half, you might as well give Sasuke another Rinnegan or another power-up Lol

 

[The Necromancer]

How is that different?

Its the same arguement of potential. Honestly I didn't go back far enough. Remember when he spent 3 years in a drug induced coma while Oro altered him... See when you take these things away... he loses a ton of potential doesn't he? Just like you're saying without Kurama he stops at pain, for arguements sake... sure he stops there, but without Curse mark, Oro drug cocktails and Itachi's eyes...where would sauce be?

You really don't understand what we're even debating about.

Let me make this clear.

This is a debate about total potential. The claim was that even without the Kyuubi, Naruto's potential to become strong at any costs surpassed Sasuke's. If you still don't understand somehow, I don't know what to tell you. This is the most simple way to explain it to you.

Without the Kyuubi, Naruto's potential stops at the Invasion of Pain. No other teacher on earth could take him past that level, and the only way he could exceed it was with the Kyuubi. Period. Of course he would natrally learn to better gather his chakra, but in the long run, this wouldn't place him much higher in the tiers.

Sasuke's total potential is EMS. As Sasuke is not being nerfed in any way for the purposes of this debate, his total power level continues up to the moment he fought Madara, meaning EMS, Enton, Kirin, Multiple Chidori Variants, Multiple Summoning Contracts etc.

I fear that you still don't understand. This isn't about borrowed power or brotherly eyes or anything of the sort. This is simply Kyuubi-less Naruto's total power vs. Sasuke's unadulterated total power. Understand?

 

[bowflex]

Naruto has always had half of Kurama inside him, besides the time when he was missing Yang Kurama. If you suddenly want to give Naruto the Yang half, you might as well give Sasuke another Rinnegan or another power-up Lol

Anddd....

/thread


Dual Rinnegan Sasuke would beat 100% kurama naruto Low difficulty

 

[riley freeman]

And Madara > Kaguya, your point?

And madara is dead right now, your point?

I was trying to point out that knowing jutsu might have been a good way to express potential if we didn't see two other genius types fail at it so hard.

Without getting into a side argument, maybe we can agree on character types in manga. The hard worker has the most potential almost exclusively, I could argue that is why Kish decided on Naruto's character opposed to Sasuke's. If you don't agree fine, then we I would contract my previous comment for the sake of the OP

I'm not disagreeing, but we don't both full potential so how does OP know naruto has more potential?

 

[BlazeRelease]

When did the potential of kurama become the potential of naruto?

And is he so desperate that he requires another's power to win?

Your points are hitting your argument instead.

 

[JCW]

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Im just saying.. but sasuke did pull out sassy

 

[bowflex]

And madara is dead right now, your point?

And Kaguya is sealed right now, your point?

 

[riley freeman]

And Kaguya is sealed right now, your point?

And naruto and sasuke laughed last, your point?

 

[Jcub]

I MAD, I SOUND SMART U LOSE

The OP made the same comment I made, and if I didn't understand and he doesn't understand, then I'm starting to think YOU don't understand. See you in your ever glowing personality wanted to mock the OP from the start. Typical Necro. (this is why you are not respected by anyone around here btw). You claimed Naruto had LESS potential than Sasuke and naruto's ended at pain without Kurama. Seeing how we are taking away part of characters to make out arguement We (OP and I) took away Sauske's.

What is left? A Sage Naruto and a blind uchiha.

Again you spouted off the quickly and overlooked your own arrogance.

 

[Jcub]

And madara is dead right now, your point?



I'm not disagreeing, but we don't both full potential so how does OP know naruto has more potential?

Assumptions! I heard they are valid now! lol By virtue of character and the fact he is the main character.

 

[Jcub]

When did the potential of kurama become the potential of naruto?

And is he so desperate that he requires another's power to win?

Your points are hitting your argument instead.

Same thing applies to Sasuke, right? Double standards are the issue in this thread.