FTG is the most lethal jutsu in Naruto

[Imperfect]

Someone tossing a Kunai and using Shadow Clones is a lethal Jutsu. Someone scratching their ass in the world of Naruto can be considered a lethal Jutsu. Stating that FTG is the most lethal jutsu is just down to personal preference. Even Shizune's Hidden Senbon jutsu is lethal under certain circumstances. FTG is certainly a handy jutsu, but saying it's the most lethal is like stating that Fodder Ninja #23847 is the least relevant.

 

[FourthSmokage]

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No, sorry. Karin is a sensor too. Neither she or oonhoki or others in the room, not even sasuke knew what happened.
Minato simply doesnt have such feat, so deal with it.
Jinton isnt slow jutsu either.

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This is when Obito finds appropriate to save sasuke.

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This is him instantly vanishing away from bugs.

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Compared to speed of light.

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Easily trolls KCM naruto, who is faster then Ay.

In no way its slower then FTG, obito was just outsmarted that time.


FTG is based upon summoning jutsus, Gedo mazo was sniped when being summoned.

Definition of instant is breaf moment, not the fastest there ever can be U_U

Minato not having feats? Lol now I know you're trippin

What about when he saved THE ENTIRE SHINOBI ALLIANCE from obito's barrier aided quad TBB?

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It's funny how you dismiss Minato's many feats where he DEFEATS Kamui, yet you view Obito's words and Zetsu's words as actual feats. That's not how it works.

Ohnoki's jutsu might not be slow but it's not instant either. He has to create the cube of chakra before he can use the dust technique.

Obito's Kamui teleportation isn't instant either. He has to create the wormhole, briefly make himself solid, and then drag himself inside the kamui to successfully jump.

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All these examples your showing of Kamui working... against Shino's bugs... against Ohnoki's dust jutsu, these jutsus are all slower than both Kamui AND FTG.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Minato not having feats? Lol now I know you're trippin

What about when he saved THE ENTIRE SHINOBI ALLIANCE from obito's barrier aided quad TBB?

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It's funny how you dismiss Minato's many feats where he DEFEATS Kamui, yet you view Obito's words and Zetsu's words as actual feats. That's not how it works.

I never dismissed minato's feats, i stated that Obito has better speed feats, minato has feats when it comes to teleporting large objects.
Kamui was defeated only once, when obito wasnt using his top speed.

Ohnoki's jutsu might not be slow but it's not instant either. He has to create the cube of chakra before he can use the dust technique.

The cube was already created and Obito wasnt shown in the picture.

Obito's Kamui teleportation isn't instant either. He has to create the wormhole, briefly make himself solid, and then drag himself inside the kamui to successfully jump.

Manga indicates this all can be done faster then FTG thou.

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All these examples your showing of Kamui working... against Shino's bugs... against Ohnoki's dust jutsu, these jutsus are all slower than both Kamui AND FTG.

These scans are worthless, obito was transporting bijuus chakra thus kamui was made slower, minato too needs to build up more chakra in order to FTG larger objects.

 

[FourthSmokage]

I never dismissed minato's feats, i stated that Obito has better speed feats, minato has feats when it comes to teleporting large objects.
Kamui was defeated only once, when obito wasnt using his top speed.
The cube was already created and Obito wasnt shown in the picture.
Manga indicates this all can be done faster then FTG thou.

These scans are worthless, obito was transporting bijuus chakra thus kamui was made slower, minato too needs to build up more chakra in order to FTG larger objects.

How about this picture of FTG taking care of 5 Omyoudon balls when Obito's Kamui couldn't handle 1 or 2?

Your scans of Obito and Zetsu talking are worthless.

I'm showing you how slow Kamui is. Kamui is only hindered when Obito is in full jinchuuriki mode. He's always had the slow wormhole mechanics even before he had the bijuu.

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[Multiply]

Of course it is. Unless we're counting Limbo. It would be Limbo and then FTG. Give FTG to any ninja and they legit solo 90% of NV.

 

[AlphaScythian]

How about this picture of FTG taking care of 5 Omyoudon balls when Obito's Kamui couldn't handle 1 or 2?
Your scans of Obito and Zetsu talking are worthless.
I'm showing you how slow Kamui is. Kamui is only hindered when Obito is in full jinchuuriki mode. He's always had the slow wormhole mechanics even before he had the bijuu.

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Laughable. Manga states Obito takes more time while transporting others.
5 small orbs are still far smaller then whole of sasuke.
This balls were intercepted by kunai, they arent flying that fast.
Obito in near death state deflected those orbs with 1 staff, again it proves they arent that fast.

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You dont know the manga i guess, any extra weight makes kamui slower.

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Just like minato needs extra time to build up chakra for larger objects.

 

[Nebula]

Manga states Obito takes more time while transporting others.

FTG is instantaneous.
Kamui takes time, how fast it is doesn't matter because instantaneous is still faster.

 

[FourthSmokage]

Laughable. Manga states Obito takes more time while transporting others.
5 small orbs are still far smaller then whole of sasuke.
This balls were intercepted by kunai, they arent flying that fast.
Obito in near death state deflected those orbs with 1 staff, again it proves they arent that fast.

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You dont know the manga i guess, any extra weight makes kamui slower.

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Just like minato needs extra time to build up chakra for larger objects.

Oh good you pulled out the Konan scans without me having to do it.

Your logic is what's laughable. FTG is faster than Kamui and none of your nonsense is going to disprove that fact or the manga that Kishi has written.

All I hear is you making excuses "but obito is near death" or "but obito is carrying extra luggage so he's slower". Well Yeah... that's too damn bad for Obito, huh?

Omyoudon is an actual fast Jutsu that is the best speed test for both Kamui and FTG and FTG passed with flying colors.

I can't believe you're mixing up Minato's Space-Time defensive barrier with his actual body FTG. Minato has to use hand seals for that one, he doesn't need any hand seals for his REAL FTG.

 

[AlphaScythian]

FTG is instantaneous.
Kamui takes time, how fast it is doesn't matter because instantaneous is still faster.

instantaneous (ˌɪnstənˈteɪnɪəs)
adj
1. occurring with almost no delay; immediate
2. happening or completed within a moment:

instant (ˈɪnstənt)
n
1. a very brief time; moment
2. a particular moment or point in time: at the same instant.
3. on the instant immediately; without delay

Instant is nothing but brief moment

mo·ment
noun \ˈmō-mənt\

: a very short period of time

: a particular time : a precise point in time

Both FTG and Kamui brief moments, both can be regarded as instantaneous.
A moment implies a X amount of time, thus one moment can be shorter then another

 

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Come on Alpha, bring that heat bro. He's shitting on you atm(even though he's right Lol). U_U

 

[FourthSmokage]

instantaneous (ˌɪnstənˈteɪnɪəs)
adj
1. occurring with almost no delay; immediate
2. happening or completed within a moment:

instant (ˈɪnstənt)
n
1. a very brief time; moment
2. a particular moment or point in time: at the same instant.
3. on the instant immediately; without delay

Instant is nothing but brief moment

mo·ment
noun \ˈmō-mənt\

: a very short period of time

: a particular time : a precise point in time

Both FTG and Kamui brief moments, both can be regarded as instantaneous.
A moment implies a X amount of time, thus one moment can be shorter then another

Ooh you know how to use a dictionary. :0 Impressive

As soon as Minato activates FTG he's gone.

Obito has to do many things after the activation before he's gone.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Oh good you pulled out the Konan scans without me having to do it.
Your logic is what's laughable. FTG is faster than Kamui and none of your nonsense is going to disprove that fact or the manga that Kishi has written.
All I hear is you making excuses "but obito is near death" or "but obito is carrying extra luggage so he's slower". Well Yeah... that's too damn bad for Obito, huh?

So you just gonna neglect this part out of equation because it doesnt serve your interests? Nice to know.

It's not excuse it's how kamui works.
You wanna deny manga scans and fact, well you wont be the 1st one.

Omyoudon is an actual fast Jutsu that is the best speed test for both Kamui and FTG and FTG passed with flying colors.

Oh yes, one can deflect it with staff or intercept with kunais, it sure is worthy test for S/T jutsu lel

I can't believe you're mixing up Minato's Space-Time defensive barrier with his actual body FTG. Minato has to use hand seals for that one, he doesn't need any hand seals for his REAL FTG.

Where did i even remotely mentioned FTG barrier? In scan i posted minato used none and it was only to prove that just like kamui FTG takes more time for bigger object via chakra build up.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Ooh you know how to use a dictionary. :0 Impressive

As soon as Minato activates FTG he's gone.
Obito has to do many things after the activation before he's gone.

FTG is better suited for transporting larger objects cuz once your chakra is build up it still instantaneous, ill give you that.
Kamui however beats FTG in speed when it comes to Obito or Obito + 1

 

[FourthSmokage]

So you just gonna neglect this part out of equation because it doesnt serve your interests? Nice to know.
passed with flying colors.
It's not excuse it's how kamui works.
You wanna deny manga scans and fact, well you wont be the 1st one.Oh yes, one can deflect it with staff or intercept with kunais, it sure is worthy test for S/T jutsu lel

Where did i even remotely mentioned FTG barrier? In scan i posted minato used none and it was only yo prove that just like kamui FTG takes more time for bigger object via chakra build up.

You literally admitted that Kamui was slower when you mentioned that he's slower when he takes objects or bijuu chakra with him.

That's you losing the debate on speed right there. I don't see how Kamui's slowness is supposed to work in favor for you.

I was mistaken about the barrier, I saw the TBB and thought that's what you meant, when he teleported it away from hitting the Kage Monument. Now I see it was Kurama himself you were referring to.

The difference with Minato is, even when he has half of Kyuubi chakra inside of him, he can still use FTG to transport his body at the same speed. As you claim, Obito gets slowed down with bijuu presence inside him, or when he's trying to drag someone in. Minato doesn't slow down at the presence of internal tailed beast chakra like Obito. Minato only slows down when he has to externally transport a full Kurama that is attacking the village.

You denied manga facts the second you said Kamui was faster than FTG.

 

[AlphaScythian]

You literally admitted that Kamui was slower when you mentioned that he's slower when he takes objects or bijuu chakra with him.

Yes i do admit that teleportation process of kamui with large objects does take more time then FTG. I do state that kamui is faster when it comes to Obito + another person, based on summit feat.

That's you losing the debate on speed right there. I don't see how Kamui's slowness is supposed to work in favor for you.

I dont lose debate here, you misunderstood me, i stated obito has better speed feat, while minato has better feats with transportation of other large objects. When it comes to small things kamui can beat FTG.

I was mistaken about the barrier, I saw the TBB and thought that's what you meant, when he teleported it away from hitting the Kage Monument. Now I see it was Kurama himself you were referring to.

The difference with Minato is, even when he has half of Kyuubi chakra inside of him, he can still use FTG to transport his body at the same speed. As you claim, Obito gets slowed down with bijuu presence inside him, or when he's trying to drag someone in. Minato doesn't slow down at the presence of internal tailed beast chakra like Obito. Minato only slows down when he has to externally transport a full Kurama that is attacking the village.

This can be more complicated matter as obito was not kurama jin, thou BZ was attached to him he was external. Minato was a true jin and who knows it may play a difference.

You denied manga facts the second you said Kamui was faster than FTG.

No i didnt, kamui is faster but it suffers far worse from extra weight then FTG.
Kamui > FTG w/o extra weight. With weight FTG > Kamui in speed.

 

[Nebula]

Kamui suffers from the mass of the target.
FTG does not.

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T=S·M
T= time taken for the whole jutsu to work on the entire target
S= time taken for the jutsu to affect a certain mass
M= mass of the target

For Kamui S does not =0
For FTG S=0
0 · M = 0 time taken
If S does not equal zero then since T[SUB]kamui[/SUB]>T[SUB]FTG[/SUB] and M is the same that would mean that Kamui takes more time.

What you are trying to say is that for FTG
T=S·M[SUP]0[/SUP] S>0

Basically I don't think there is a static time greater than zero that basically delays the jutsu.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Kamui suffers from the mass of the target.
FTG does not.

T=S·M
T= time taken for the whole jutsu to work on the entire target
S= time taken for the jutsu to affect a certain mass
M= mass of the target

For Kamui S does not =0
For FTG S=0
0 · M = 0 time taken

This is very lovely but you forgot to include chakra build up for FTG.
In scan i already posted minato told gamabunta to hold kurama for a minute!
Well i didnt look like minute, but it indicates that minato needs to waste good time for chakra build up whilst kamui sorta builds chakra up while teleporting.

With this said, we can never measure what time minato takes with chakra build up prior to FTG teleportation process to conclude total time.

 

[Nebula]

I suppose that makes sense. Lol
I'd say that by themselves they are close enough in speed so that it doesn't make a significant difference.
Is this right?

 

[ARGUS]

-Madara already solod both of the FTG users,,,
-the fact that unlike Kamui,, FTG actually requires seals,, already makes it an inferior S/T ninjutsu to Kamui,,,
-FTG can only teleport the whole object,, not only body parts,,,
-Any one withh jutsus of vast AOE can counter FTG,, since their vast magnitude will make it impossible for the user to evade the attack,,,
-Limbo and Sasukes rinnegan are also superior to FTG,,

 

[Xlad]

Definitely one of the most dangerous and useful technique. I wouldn't say it's the most lethal though.