Ftg And Sharigan Apart Sasuke Wins Minato

[Owarij]

dude dont be a troll that is bad man common sense says that sharigan and ftg sasuke wins

Without sharingan, Sasuke gets rasengand in 2 seconds....He needed sharingan to dodge bee's hachibi cloak..... and minatos base is > That......

This is exactly what happens

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Simple Common sense , you're just a fanboy

 

[jnr3000]

dude dont be a troll that is bad man common sense says that sharigan and ftg sasuke wins

Now you are being a troll. Dude said "EVEN" and that was after he said Sasuke can never beat minato

 

[Alphonse Elric]

You went from a raikage fanboy to a sasuke fanboy. Oh boy that's a bad downgrade. Sasuke loses big time, without his precious sharingan he is nothing really except a normal chuunin at most. Even with his sharingan he wouldn't be able to keep up with minato due to his base speed being that fast and if needed he can use body flicker to increase it even more.

 

[Blaze Release]

What i will say for a start is that to the people saying without the sharigan sasuke is nothing need to think again. The reason is he activated it at a young age and due to this half of his techniques have been molded around his bloodline limit. If he didnt have the sharigan he would still be strong regardless.

Also the people saying sasuke needs the sharigan to use chidori clearly do not read the manga. He can use them regardless of the sharigan, its just that it leaves the opponent open if it misses. Also not sure where you guys got the idea of him not being able to use kirin.

Anyway minato even without ftg is pretty fast but obviously not as fast. Arguable 4.5/5 similarly sasuke aswell speed stat is 4.5/5, therefore i do not think speed would be an issue.

Without the sharigan im sure sasuke can react accordingly to minato's base speed and if in contact use chidori nagashi and his other fire/lightning techs. Ill admit sasuke is rather limited, but then again so is minato without ftg.

This fight can go either way imo

 

[silmarill]

your forgettn something my friend deeply. minato is naturally fast. let alone real strong. let alone knows a shit load of sealing jutsus. sauske knows... fireball jutsu? chidori? awww bs

wasnt chidori an incomplete jutsu also without sharingan?
he was vulnerable or somethin

 

[LolaxXx]

Minato takes this.
Minato's base speed is faster than sasuke, if not even. second, he has better reflexes than sasuke. Kirin? that takes too much time for him to gather, unless he creates a diversion, he's not hitting minato with that. Chidori? sasuke needs sharingan to actually see where he's going when he's moving at that speed, sharingan was required to master chidori. Sasuke can still use some of his lightning based attacks, but i mean, seems like minato can just easily use rasengan without a huge chunk of chakra being taken out. Also, his summoning techs. not to mention, kushina taught him some seals, not just the death god one. Sasuke does have good sword technique, but if all fails, use a summoning and that will take care of sasuke.

 

[Alphonse Elric]

wasnt chidori an incomplete jutsu also without sharingan?
he was vulnerable or somethin

It is, also to mention only reason sasuke was fast enough to use it in part 1 was due to his sharingan.. So he may not even be fast enough without his sharingan or if he is then he can't protect himself from all sides only the front.

 

[Owarij]

What i will say for a start is that to the people saying without the sharigan sasuke is nothing need to think again. The reason is he activated it at a young age and due to this half of his techniques have been molded around his bloodline limit. If he didnt have the sharigan he would still be strong regardless.

Also the people saying sasuke needs the sharigan to use chidori clearly do not read the manga. He can use them regardless of the sharigan, its just that it leaves the opponent open if it misses. Also not sure where you guys got the idea of him not being able to use kirin.

Anyway minato even without ftg is pretty fast but obviously not as fast. Arguable 4.5/5 similarly sasuke aswell speed stat is 4.5/5, therefore i do not think speed would be an issue.

Without the sharigan im sure sasuke can react accordingly to minato's base speed and if in contact use chidori nagashi and his other fire/lightning techs. Ill admit sasuke is rather limited, but then again so is minato without ftg.

This fight can go either way imo

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It was the heat from amaterasu + fire balls, that made the storm clouds, the fire balls alone wouldn't do it....Which is why he can't make the situation for kirin

Anyway minato even without ftg is pretty fast but obviously not as fast. Arguable 4.5/5 similarly sasuke aswell speed stat is 4.5/5, therefore i do not think speed would be an issue.

Lmao Minato 4.5? You must be joking, When he runs he leaves behind a yellow trace, which means he has to be moving very fast.....His base > killer bee chakra cloak, and sasuke needed sharingan just to dodge that.....Itachi's speed is 5, and so is Minato's...but that 5 are two entirely different 5's....




Minato has natural reflexes rivaling that of v2 raikage... + base speed rivaling that of v1 raikage......Sasuke will not land a single hit on him even without ftg
Also Minato has giant Summons like Gamabunta... Are you even being serious? Taking away ftg is nothing to minato..

 

[LolaxXx]

sasuke's reflexes are good. but nowhere NEAR minato's level. Without sharingan, sasuke cant dodge most of the attacks that he's been able to. While Minato, without a sharingan can dodge. Sasuke relied on his eyes too much, and if he fights without them, he would lose against the more powerful ninjas.

 

[-Hades-]

Seriously? This is not even worth discussing... Sasuke would loose even before he has a chance to try anything...
We already saw what a regular Rasengan can do.. (Naruto using it on Kabuto) And minato is more than fast enough for this... he could easilty dodge anything Sasuke would throw at him, and would end this before Sasuke has a chance to prepare for kirin...
Itachi had the ultimate defense, and his intentions were to actually help Sasuke, you think Minato wouldn't notice Sasuke randomly shooting Fire jutsus to the Sky? That he would just let him prepare for Kirin? Pointless to say that he wouldn't have time for that...

 

[Blaze Release]

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It was the heat from amaterasu + fire balls, that made the storm clouds, the fire balls alone wouldn't do it....Which is why he can't make the situation for kirin



Lmao Minato 4.5? You must be joking, When he runs he leaves behind a yellow trace, which means he has to be moving very fast.....His base > killer bee chakra cloak, and sasuke needed sharingan just to dodge that.....Itachi's speed is 5, and so is Minato's...but that 5 are two entirely different 5's....

Acutally he couldve used kirin regardless of amaterasu. He took advantage of it. If he does spam his katon jutsu's thats enough for him to use it. Similarly during the reunion it seems like its kirin he was about to use until oro shopped him.

Anyway there is nothing funny about saying minato's base speed is 4.5. Obviously with ftg its 5/5, but without it he isnt as fast, therefore warrants a downgrade.

As for you saying minato's base > killbee chakra cloak is laughable. Basically what you are saying is Minato base speed > V2 raikage, since he was the only person who was able to evade it until sasuke, and minato's base speed is no were near as fast as raikage in v2

 

[Luther]

You hate sasuke for nothing sasuke must hvae had other plans on how to make kirin so he didnt have to depend on amaterasau that was when he saw it first

 

[Owarij]

Acutally he couldve used kirin regardless of amaterasu. He took advantage of it. If he does spam his katon jutsu's thats enough for him to use it. Similarly during the reunion it seems like its kirin he was about to use until oro shopped him.

Anyway there is nothing funny about saying minato's base speed is 4.5. Obviously with ftg its 5/5, but without it he isnt as fast, therefore warrants a downgrade.

As for you saying minato's base > killbee chakra cloak is laughable. Basically what you are saying is Minato base speed > V2 raikage, since he was the only person who was able to evade it until sasuke, and minato's base speed is no were near as fast as raikage in v2

? Did you see me say Minato base > V2?
How the hell do you know Raikage dodged killer bees hmode with v2 and not v1? , He said his brother dodged it.......If sasuke was able to dodge it with sharingan and his normal 4.5 speed, v2 isn't even neccesary.....

And minato not fast in base? lmao

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When sasuke starts leaving behind flashes when he runs, talk to me

 

[Uchicha Macho]

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it was the heat from amaterasu + fire balls, that made the storm clouds, the fire balls alone wouldn't do it....which is why he can't make the situation for kirin



lmao minato 4.5? You must be joking, when he runs he leaves behind a yellow trace, which means he has to be moving very fast.....his base > killer bee chakra cloak, and sasuke needed sharingan just to dodge that.....itachi's speed is 5, and so is minato's...but that 5 are two entirely different 5's....


Minato has natural reflexes rivaling that of v2 raikage... + base speed rivaling that of v1 raikage......sasuke will not land a single hit on him even without ftg
also minato has giant summons like gamabunta... Are you even being serious? Taking away ftg is nothing to minato..

when team 7 and sasuke reunited at orichimaru base ,at the end of the fight sasuke was about to use a jutsu (kirin) but orihimaru stop him.we did not see him use any preparation for it

 

[Owarij]

when team 7 and sasuke reunited at orichimaru base ,at the end of the fight sasuke was about to use a jutsu (kirin) but orihimaru stop him.we did not see him use any preparation for it

Sasuke was not going to use kirin, The weather was full out Sunny...Kirin Requires cumulonimbus clouds , You are speculating what the jutsu was

 

[Blaze Release]

? Did you see me say Minato base > V2?
How the hell do you know Raikage dodged killer bees hmode with v2 and not v1? , He said his brother dodged it.......If sasuke was able to dodge it with sharingan and his normal 4.5 speed, v2 isn't even neccesary.....

And minato not fast in base? lmao

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When sasuke starts leaving behind flashes when he runs, talk to me

Its true that we dont know whether A used v1 or v2, but regardless sasauke wouldnt have evaded bee if it wasnt for the sharigan and similarly minato without ftg wouldnt have evaded it either.

Also believe V1 A is faster than minato base speed.

Btw minato was given the yellow flash because of ftg. The name yellow FLASH clearly shows that its was because of his teleportation because its instant like a flash. Naruto in km is faster than minato base and we dont see any flashes with him because he isnt teleporting

 

[TrollingSage]

Acutally he couldve used kirin regardless of amaterasu. He took advantage of it. If he does spam his katon jutsu's thats enough for him to use it. Similarly during the reunion it seems like its kirin he was about to use until oro shopped him.

Anyway there is nothing funny about saying minato's base speed is 4.5. Obviously with ftg its 5/5, but without it he isnt as fast, therefore warrants a downgrade.

As for you saying minato's base > killbee chakra cloak is laughable. Basically what you are saying is Minato base speed > V2 raikage, since he was the only person who was able to evade it until sasuke, and minato's base speed is no were near as fast as raikage in v2

Lol I like how you seem to think Sasuke will have enough chakra to shoot fireballs into the sky and prepare for Kirin and still have enough chakra and time fight Minato whilst the rain clouds gather. The rainclouds wont gather immediately you know.
And also even if Sasuke actually manages to that, and Minato actually waits around and let him shoot a chidori into the sky to control the lightning, you're conveniently forgetting he still has his s/t barrier. Kirin is a non factor in this fight.

 

[Owarij]

Its true that we dont know whether A used v1 or v2, but regardless sasauke wouldnt have evaded bee if it wasnt for the sharigan and similarly minato without ftg wouldnt have evaded it either.

Also believe V1 A is faster than minato base speed.

Btw minato was given the yellow flash because of ftg.

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Minato was not given yellow flash because of Ftg....Not only is it common sense, but its stated right there by tobi...Without ftg he lived up to his name

If you have 2 locations, Point A and point B, Teleporting aka instant transmutation Makes you appear at the other point instantly....There would be No form or trace left behind ...
Point A------------------------------------------Point B
^ Yellow flash

That can only occur if he was moving in base speed extremely fast, Like naruto is doing, .......Killer bee and tsunade saw his gold flash.....


Tobi said it himself, a Yellow flash was Made when Minato ran, and he did not use any ftg....

You don't see any flashes when naruto is running? are you mad?

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Here Killer bee cl.early see's a golden flash, because naruto is covered in a gold kyuubi cloak

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Tsunade........."Just like the yellow flash"

 

[Blaze Release]

Lol I like how you seem to think Sasuke will have enough chakra to shoot fireballs into the sky and prepare for Kirin and still have enough chakra and time fight Minato whilst the rain clouds gather. The rainclouds wont gather immediately you know.
And also even if Sasuke actually manages to that, and Minato actually waits around and let him shoot a chidori into the sky to control the lightning, you're conveniently forgetting he still has his s/t barrier. Kirin is a non factor in this fight.

He doesnt need to spam katon at nobody. He can spam katon in the hope of attacking minato but at the same time to heat up the environment. Obviously this takes time, thats why kirin is what id call a 'final technqiue'/trump card, because in most cases both opponents wouldve reached their limits.

You do realise that even if minato can teleport kirin it takes a huge chunk of his chakra. Atleast thats why i think he meant when he teleported the tbb from the fox.

Fact is from what weve seen so far, he only has a kunai/rasengan to attack, unless he also has the death god tech, in which case its a draw.

Anyway this can go either way like i said

 

[Exaar]

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Remove ftg and sharigan and sasuke wins minato


Since both of them don’t have their strong powers both are at disadvantages here are my notes why sasuke wins.


1.Kirin;Minato normal average speed is not enough to dodge kirin with ftg it Is Arguable so no he cant kirin beats the speed of noise and zetsu says it is 1000 of a second before it occurs so it is hard to dodge


2.Rasengan :Sasuke has chidori to counter


3.Sasuke and minato base speed wont be that hard apart sasuke was always quick and of good techniques so no body wins this part


4.Barriers:Minato seals were not said to be first class so it can be found or dodged or missed or anything but sasuke wont be affected


5.Kenjutsu:Sasuke sword titled kusanagi minato will have a tough time with that

Don’t assume that minato has hokage has other techniques I can as well say 'sasuke kun has so stop that bull




6.God seal death for them indvidually

1) sasuke can't use kirin without the sharingan/Ms, If he trys to he would use most if not all of his chakra on a Fire Jutsu, sasuke uses kirin, Minato will teleport it like he did the TBB.

2) Minato wouldn't be stupid enough to attack him head on with rasengan, hes not naruto -_-

3) Minato's base speed > Sasuke's basespeed by Far.

4) Link where it says his seals aint first class?

5) I agree 0.0

We all Know you are a sasuke fan and you Hate minato. But taking sasuke's sharingan away from Him is to much. He would get owned.