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Kishi uses a lot of plot convinience
Minato asked naruto for senjtsu when he was in BM and then pulled 1 after hours
Naruto had to used toad sage mode which made him< juubito whilst Kurama had senjutsu 1000xToad Sage moade
Madara dodged Tobirama and Minato in their FTG and fell for Zetsu's slow ass!
Juubito couldn't use Kamui becuase of juubi and Madara does it in seconds I can count forever! -_-
 
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From what I understand about the Madara kamui situation, is that he could do it because of how kamui worked with the eye he stole from kakashi. The eyes have different forms of Kamui, a long range warp like kamui and a kamui that made the user intangible as well as allowed him to the slip into the kamui dimension. My thoughts on it are that madara warped his entire body and thats why he could go to the dimension. I would suggest that you read about the two different kamuis and see what you think before you trust my theory. I read the descriptions and thats what I came up with lol.
 

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From what I understand about the Madara kamui situation, is that he could do it because of how kamui worked with the eye he stole from kakashi. The eyes have different forms of Kamui, a long range warp like kamui and a kamui that made the user intangible as well as allowed him to the slip into the kamui dimension. My thoughts on it are that madara warped his entire body and thats why he could go to the dimension. I would suggest that you read about the two different kamuis and see what you think before you trust my theory. I read the descriptions and thats what I came up with lol.

that makes a lot of sense but Kakashi was never able to visit Kamui dimension with his eye or chakra maybe
 

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Kishi uses a lot of plot convinience
Minato asked naruto for senjtsu when he was in BM and then pulled 1 after hours
Naruto had to used toad sage mode which made him< juubito whilst Kurama had senjutsu 1000xToad Sage moade
Madara dodged Tobirama and Minato in their FTG and fell for Zetsu's slow ass!
Juubito couldn't use Kamui becuase of juubi and Madara does it in seconds I can count forever! -_-

1. Minato explained that he isnt good with sage mode

2. "Naruto had to used toad sage mode which made him< juubito whilst Kurama had senjutsu 1000xToad Sage moade" What?

3. Madara wasnt excepting Black Zetsu to betray him.

4. "Juuibito" isnt a thing. Obito as the Ten-Tails' Jinchuuriki said he couldn't use the intangible ability of Kamui, Madara went in to Kamui's dimension, which is a different ability.

5. Keep counting, it shows ur lack of focus and i am sure this isnt the first time this had to be explained to u.
 

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1. Minato explained that he isnt good with sage mode

2. "Naruto had to used toad sage mode which made him< juubito whilst Kurama had senjutsu 1000xToad Sage moade" What?

3. Madara wasnt excepting Black Zetsu to betray him.

4. "Juuibito" isnt a thing. Obito as the Ten-Tails' Jinchuuriki said he couldn't use the intangible ability of Kamui, Madara went in to Kamui's dimension, which is a different ability.

5. Keep counting, it shows ur lack of focus and i am sure this isnt the first time this had to be explained to u.
Kurama Let Naruto use Toad sage mode whilst he has a OP sage mode himself!
It doesn't show my lack of focus, it only show how you guys force explanation into somewhere it doesn't fit
 

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Kurama Let Naruto use Toad sage mode whilst he has a OP sage mode himself!
It doesn't show my lack of focus, it only show how you guys force explanation into somewhere it doesn't fit

During the Pain invasion on the Leaf Village, Kurama didnt let the grandpa and grandma toad connect with Naruto, so Naruto had to gather the Natural Energy himself.
Kurama doesnt have a Sage Mode nor Sage Jutsu/Senjutsu
Naruto also doesnt have a new Sage Mode, it is thanks to all the 9 Tailed Beasts and Hagoromo's chakra that Naruto obtain the "Six Paths Sage Jutsu/Technique" and not an "OP Sage Mode".
See? If u would have focus or at least tried to read, u would've known these things.
 

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that makes a lot of sense but Kakashi was never able to visit Kamui dimension with his eye or chakra maybe

Yeah it might be because of Kakashi's chakra levels or chakra control. He also wasn't an uchiha so maybe he didn't have enough control with just the one sharingan. But Madara isn't an average top tier shinobi either so we may never know why he was able to use kamui while being a junchuriki
 

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Yeah it might be because of Kakashi's chakra levels or chakra control. He also wasn't an uchiha so maybe he didn't have enough control with just the one sharingan. But Madara isn't an average top tier shinobi either so we may never know why he was able to use kamui while being a junchuriki

He actually used Kamui to leave its Dimension, and Kakashi has also shown to "drag in" other objects depending on the size and his chakra level.
I am pretty sure both eyes have the same ability, there are contradictions on both sides, but i just dont get why one eye would have that ability and the other wouldn't and vice versa.
 

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Yeah it might be because of Kakashi's chakra levels or chakra control. He also wasn't an uchiha so maybe he didn't have enough control with just the one sharingan. But Madara isn't an average top tier shinobi either so we may never know why he was able to use kamui while being a junchuriki

Kakashi dint knew much abt kamui as separate dimension......he did came out of it on his own
 
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