Frog Kata vs. Sharingan Precog

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[Darth AniCetuS]

Lol...I see people love to bring out Naruto's reliance on Kurama while completely ignoring that Sasuke would be blind if not for Itachi's eyes. And a full kill intent Sasuke with 8.5 Bijuu got rekt by Naruto who was not even trying to kill him.
Anyway back to topic Frog Kata shits on Sharingan precog.

 

[take it easy]

Lol...I see people love to bring out Naruto's reliance on Kurama while completely ignoring that Sasuke would be blind if not for Itachi's eyes. And a full kill intent Sasuke with 8.5 Bijuu got rekt by Naruto who was not even trying to kill him.
Anyway back to topic Frog Kata shits on Sharingan precog.

This. Sasuke fans cant defend their fav without bringing Kurama.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

This. Sasuke fans cant defend their fav without bringing Kurama.

Indeed. Its been more than two years since the manga ended and they are still salty that their fav got rekt.

 

[God Of NarutoBase]

EMS Sasuke operated within SM Madara's speed tier while SM Naruto was blatantly outclassed.

Like Haku vs. Sasuke, EMS Sasuke eclipses SM Naruto in speed and reflexes which means EMS Sasuke > SM Naruto in a Taijutsu battle.

I disagree. There nothing to show that ems sasuke speed is superior to SM naruto. First of all,SM naruto still reacted to madaras kick. He could not evade it though he still tried to block it but was blown away due to the force of the kick.

If that was sasuke in narutos place,the same thing would still happen. Sasuke was the one who started attacking madara first,madara never attacked sasuke so we can't tell if sasuke could react to madara attack speed.

Sasuke only had the upper hand against madara thanks to his sharingan precog(and the fact he was using a sword)and not because of his speed and reflexes. Precog is equal to or a tad better than senjutsu sensing but when kata come into play it' completely ouclasses precog as it is nearly unpredictable.

 

[God Of NarutoBase]

I think he's saying the fact that Madara was able to just immediately blow away Naruto but Sasuke was able to parry him shows that Sasuke is better.

Well,i think that's because of the fact that sasuke was using a sword and on the offensive. Madara didn't atack sasuke. If he did then sasuke might or might not have been able to react to madara attack. So if they fought in hand to hand combat,sasuke would probably have difficulty with madara attack speed and strength.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Yeah except he's not.

And Base Naruto shrugged off Amateratsu like...what did Sasuke say?

"So even Amateratsu is nothing more than a diversion "

Nardo had the kyuubi cloak to deflect Amaterasu, normal SM Naruto won't have the same luxury. Not saying amaterasu one shots Naruto but make sure to know the context of the scan.

zetsu said himself that naruto was stronger plus how would he beat naruto? multi shadow clone jutsu all sage mode, has multiple sage gathering clones stationary, surrounds sasuke and just rasenshuriken him

wrong Zetsu said a MS Sasuke who hadn't awakned susanoo yet was weaker. We can question Zetsu's credibility because he said Naruto beat Pain alone which is certianly not the case. Plus Naruto himself admitted he needs kyuubi chakra (a power beyond SM obviously) to defeat MS Sasuke and Sasuke said he needs to EMS to crush Naruto for good so on portrayal they should be on equal footing.
Amaterasu/Enton should hard counter Rasenshuriken because Fire>wind in the Naruto world and Enton is the strongest form of fire.
OP: Frog kata

 

[UnknownJin]

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[NarutoX28]

I disagree. There nothing to show that ems sasuke speed is superior to SM naruto. First of all,SM naruto still reacted to madaras kick. He could not evade it though he still tried to block it but was blown away due to the force of the kick.

Okay and Sasuke could actually battle aggressively because he was faster and more reactive.

If that was sasuke in narutos place,the same thing would still happen. Sasuke was the one who started attacking madara first,madara never attacked sasuke so we can't tell if sasuke could react to madara attack speed.

So this is based on supposition rather than objective evidence. Nonetheless, given Madara's imprudence against Naruto, there's absolutely no way SM Naruto could even react to Madara's speed to begin with. If Naruto could, then Madara wouldn't have exposed himself to the point where SM Naruto could've exploited that. Since EMS Sasuke can attack to the point where it'd force Madara to evade and battle more judiciously, then we can infer that EMS Sasuke could've fared significantly better than SM Naruto in any situation simply because he's a faster competitor in CQC, the difference being that EMS Sasuke's speed could given Madara a run for his money compared to SM Naruto where he couldn't give a shit about a potential counter-attack.

Honestly, if Madara could attack EMS Sasuke the way he did against SM Naruto, then why didn't he?

Sasuke only had the upper hand against madara thanks to his sharingan precog(and the fact he was using a sword)and not because of his speed and reflexes. Precog is equal to or a tad better than senjutsu sensing but when kata come into play it' completely ouclasses precog as it is nearly unpredictable.

It was both and reactions are a component of speed and thus, they count.

I'm sorry, but most of this is what you surmised and I hardly see any objective evidence that would convince me otherwise. His Precog enabled him to track Juubito which was something only BSM Naruto which automatically places his perception above SM Naruto's. This clearly shows that you lack a sufficient understanding of Sasuke's capabilities, so you shouldn't even be entering this debate in the first place arguing that EMS Sasuke can't even be above SM Naruto when his abilities are unknown.

 

[Nick01]

Lol...I see people love to bring out Naruto's reliance on Kurama while completely ignoring that Sasuke would be blind if not for Itachi's eyes. And a full kill intent Sasuke with 8.5 Bijuu got rekt by Naruto who was not even trying to kill him.
Anyway back to topic Frog Kata shits on Sharingan precog.

This. Sasuke fans cant defend their fav without bringing Kurama.

Indeed. Its been more than two years since the manga ended and they are still salty that their fav got rekt.

Pretty much. It's quite pathetic honestly.

Anyways, Ama isn't touching SM Naruto. Sensing>Ama neg diff.

Experienced SM Naruto>Experienced MS Sasuke, plain and simple.

 

[YellowFang]

Reaction/Reflexes are always a better tool in a battle...

 

[riley freeman]

why is that?...I don't think sharingan can detect natural energy

True, but if there have enough info, like the radius of frog kata punch for example then they could dodge if easily when on defense or just be in constant attack mode.... if the sharingan user is faster

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

well Rinnegan (Best Doujutsu) user, I mean pain wasn't able to sense or see the frog kata coming and he still was clueless even after getting hit by it. Frog Kata shits on Precog

 

[Styles]

zetsu said himself that naruto was stronger plus how would he beat naruto? multi shadow clone jutsu all sage mode, has multiple sage gathering clones stationary, surrounds sasuke and just rasenshuriken him

Zetsu didn't say that. He said Naruto might be stronger and that was a Sasuke with only Amaterasu and wasn't even 100%. SM Naruto is a bit weaker than MS Sasuke because Susano'o.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Lol, pain Had six pair of rinnegan eyes watching the fight and he still got rekt.

 

[NarutoX28]

Lol, pain Had six pair of rinnegan eyes watching the fight and he still got rekt.

What's funny is that Pain's Rinnegan << Nagato's Rinnegan << Rinnegan used by original owner.

 

[God Of NarutoBase]

Okay and Sasuke could actually battle aggressively because he was faster and more reactive.

He was with a freaking sword dude. Did you expect madara to parry sword slashes with his body? Sasuke was only able to push madara to defense thanks to his sharingan eyesight and not the "amazing speed" you believe he had.

So this is based on supposition rather than objective evidence. Nonetheless, given Madara's imprudence against Naruto, there's absolutely no way SM Naruto could even react to Madara's speed to begin with. If Naruto could, then Madara wouldn't have exposed himself to the point where SM Naruto could've exploited that. Since EMS Sasuke can attack to the point where it'd force Madara to evade and battle more judiciously, then we can infer that EMS Sasuke could've fared significantly better than SM Naruto in any situation simply because he's a faster competitor in CQC, the difference being that EMS Sasuke's speed could given Madara a run for his money compared to SM Naruto where he couldn't give a shit about a potential counter-attack.

So what you're basically saying here is that because SM naruto didnt attack madara when he was open means naruto speed was slower and wouldnt be able to react to. Madara? Forgetting that they were all open to attack whie listening to madara words and immediately he stopped talking he attacked naruto,who still managed to block his kick.

If sasuke was where naruto was,the same thing would. literally happen to him. I'd advise you to watch the fight again because madara was still way faster than sasuke while evading and was only evading because sasuke was using a sword. If it was hand to hand combat sasuke would be completely overwhelmed by madara.

Honestly, if Madara could attack EMS Sasuke the way he did against SM Naruto, then why didn't he?

Uhh,that would because sasuke wasn't standing completely open while listening to madara speech and also the fact that he initiated the attack on madara with a sword.
. it was basically sasuke jumping from his hawk and attacking madra with his sword. Anyone could do that but the difference is that they would get easily countered while sasuke would gain an advantage because of his eyes that could predict movements. Precog= sage mode sensing.

It was both and reactions are a component of speed and thus, they count.

reactions? What was sasuke reacting to?

I'm sorry, but most of this is what you surmised and I hardly see any objective evidence that would convince me otherwise. His Precog enabled him to track Juubito which was something only BSM Naruto which automatically places his perception above SM Naruto's. This clearly shows that you lack a sufficient understanding of Sasuke's capabilities, so you shouldn't even be entering this debate in the first place arguing that EMS Sasuke can't even be above SM Naruto when his abilities are unknown.

Okay buddy! uttahere:

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

True, but if there have enough info, like the radius of frog kata punch for example then they could dodge if easily when on defense or just be in constant attack mode.... if the sharingan user is faster

so frog kata has a range limit now?...since when?

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

What's funny is that Pain's Rinnegan << Nagato's Rinnegan << Rinnegan used by original owner.

In terms of power yes but Pain did have 360 degree awareness of the battlefield and still got rekt. Even the original user didn't have that.

 

[V h o]

Fk. Precog still relies on the user being able to adjust or have the ability to dodge in time. FK is basically making sure you hit. Make it worse opponent doesn't know if you will use fk or not.