It's an extremely powerful ability that just wasn't expanded upon. It's one of those abilities that would be too powerful if used too much. Which seems weird since Limbo itself is even more powerful in the same way but then Kishi found a way to counter it in a logical way. You can't really counter Frog Kata unless you have Senjutsu yourself (at least that's one way that should be able to counter it), but even then, Naruto's Senjutsu is superior to everyone's so his Frog Kata would likely be faster than ever before. I mean, how do you counter invisible punches that you can't see coming? There's a reason Naruto and Sasuke never fought in CQC when they were fresher in the battle. Would be a massacre for Naruto.
Speculation? Come on now. You're telling me that the Uchiha and senji clan only fought like 3 times during a 20 years period before the village was found? You're telling me that madara wasn't blind during his battle where his brother die from? You're telling me that sharingan Madara was able to hold his own against hashirama who have wood release and tie the battle with him several times before getting the MS?
That's not speculation. Madara is a pro at fighting blind period. He knew he was going blind, so he put a great deal of focusing into his sensing ability.
Being able to feel a mass amount of chakra is different than being able to sense it. Him and Naruto can feel each other's chakra anyways. Remember when Naruto said he could sense Sasuke's chakra as "Hagoromo's other half" when he said "we'll beat you together" towards Madara? Same concept here. Frog Kata isn't Naruto's chakra. It's nature literally punching someone in the face.
Its not overrated it only seems that way because of plot not using it much. We only seen it in action against Pain but it doesn't change the fact they can throw invisible punches only other SM users can see. Its a scary ability 99% of characters can't counter.
What if the reason Naruto was able to touch Limbo clones was because of frog kata ? o.o RSM is just Hagoromo's version of Sage Mode so technically Naruto's Kata should be stronger as well
Being able to feel a mass amount of chakra is different than being able to sense it. Him and Naruto can feel each other's chakra anyways. Remember when Naruto said he could sense Sasuke's chakra as "Hagoromo's other half" when he said "we'll beat you together" towards Madara? Same concept here. Frog Kata isn't Naruto's chakra. It's nature literally punching someone in the face.
Naruto was in SM, that accounts for his ability to tank the fire.
Fodders were covered by a Kyuubi Cloak, that accounts for their ability to tank the fire.
Sasuke was.... bare. Are we assuming that a katon jutsu from Madara uchiha isn't enough to leave a visible mark on a base shinobi?
Not to mention the fact that these fodders were severely wounded by this blast, despite being covered in a Kyuubi cloak, which cannonically tanked a Juubi Sized Katon.
Kishi just wanted to show Madara's variations with fire element. The ash doesn't look hot but it is and the fact that Naruto reacted to it in pain justifies Madara's ability with Katon.
Exactly. Another example you can use; Suigetsu was able to feel Hashirama's chakra. Does that make him a sensor? Absolutely not. It's just the sheer volume of Hashirama's chakra was enough for even non-sensor's to feel it. And Naruto's chakra is above that, on top of taking in even more. It's no surprise Sasuke was able to feel it. It's like a Tornado blowing through a town, but instead it's chakra. Frog Kata is nature punching you and it's not even someone's chakra. You have to use Sage Mode to actually use it, but it doesn't come from your chakra (since it's also still technically Taijutsu as well).
After relying on clones as distraction and hiding the real self.
Fighting them bare handed is next to impossible due to shared vision and the paths themselves being strong and fast, and that's what the thread is about.
Konohamaru still defeated one of the pains while being much weaker without sage mode and its sensing advantage, not forgetting Konohamaru had absolutely no intel while Naruto had Katsyu feeding him info
What weakened?
His powers were working and deva path moved closer to nagato increasing the power of chakra being transmitted. Thats what allowed him to use chibaku tensei in the first place.
Don't make excuses for preta path getting one shotted and deva path being thrown like a rag doll. Jiraiya did the same when paths had just started fighting.
Pain was fighting with 7 tails Kurama toe to toe alone, not only was he exhausted from his fight with Kurama his chakra was completely drained from using CT, Naruto fighting off completely weakened Pain is not a feat, without Kuramas help Naruto would have been dead long time ago
As if any of them could withstand it when giant summons are being tossed around.
Unwanted transformation hurt naruto more so, his clones with senjutsu vanished.
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And naruto's body gets weakened as he gets taken over by kyuubi.
Proof? There was no signs Naruto was weakened or injured
The path is a dead body who only needs chakra transmitted to him to fight. Nagato has enough to revive an entire village and the path had moved closer to him making the chakra signal stronger.
Deva Pain couldn't move nor proceed to fight anymore, once Naruto hit him with Rasengan, Pains connection with Nagato was cut off, giving him more chakra wouldn't do anything.
Thats funny, it only happened after naruto had lost sage mode.
Exactly. Another example you can use; Suigetsu was able to feel Hashirama's chakra. Does that make him a sensor? Absolutely not. It's just the sheer volume of Hashirama's chakra was enough for even non-sensor's to feel it. And Naruto's chakra is above that, on top of taking in even more. It's no surprise Sasuke was able to feel it. It's like a Tornado blowing through a town, but instead it's chakra. Frog Kata is nature punching you and it's not even someone's chakra. You have to use Sage Mode to actually use it, but it doesn't come from your chakra (since it's also still technically Taijutsu as well).
Frog Kata is just senjutsu manipulated around the body. It still is chakra.
Juubi's a mass of senjutsu, but Naruto still wasn't able to sense it without sage mode. Sasuke can probably sense it since he had the Orochimaru's seal
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He did say he can feel it. There is nothing to say that he can't or he won't be able to sense frog kata.
Frog Kata is just senjutsu manipulated around the body. It still is chakra.
Juubi's a mass of senjutsu, but Naruto still wasn't able to sense it without sage mode. Sasuke can probably sense it since he had the Orochimaru's seal
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He did say he can feel it. There is nothing to say that he can't or he won't be able to sense frog kata.
Yes, he felt the nature energy. Because it was going INTO NARUTO. Such a massive amount, even non-sensors like Sasuke can feel it. It parallels with how Suigetsu felt Hashirama's chakra by pure volume alone. Frog Kata is Taijutsu amplified by Nature Energy but it isn't actual chakra. It's still Taijutsu. And Sasuke is not a sensor, so there's no reason to believe he could perceive Frog Kata at all.
I didn't really look at it simply because that post is not a counter to mines because I clearly said PROBABLY compete with bm . The word probably negates me from taking an L in this conversation because it means I'm leaving it open for debate.
I didn't really look at it simply because that post is not a counter to mines because I clearly said PROBABLY compete with bm . The word probably negates me from taking an L in this conversation because it means I'm leaving it open for debate.
BM Naruto canonically laughed at Madara's revived V3 Susano'o so there's no way he's touching BM Naruto in a blind state. He's getting blitzed. But 1 Rin'negan Madara obviously stomps.
Yes, he felt the nature energy. Because it was going INTO NARUTO. Such a massive amount, even non-sensors like Sasuke can feel it. It parallels with how Suigetsu felt Hashirama's chakra by pure volume alone. Frog Kata is Taijutsu amplified by Nature Energy but it isn't actual chakra. It's still Taijutsu. And Sasuke is not a sensor, so there's no reason to believe he could perceive Frog Kata at all.
Suigetsu sensing Hashirama's chakra is null. Suigetsu could feel Hashirama's chakra because that was just normal chakra. Senjutsu can't be felt by those without an ounce of association with senjutsu. Senjutsu's quantity doesn't matter. It can't be sensed like normal chakra.
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"Frog Kata uses natural energy around the user's body like an extension". It hits you with chakra.
BM Naruto canonically laughed at Madara's revived V3 Susano'o so there's no way he's touching BM Naruto in a blind state. He's getting blitzed. But 1 Rin'negan Madara obviously stomps.
BM Naruto canonically laughed at Madara's revived V3 Susano'o so there's no way he's touching BM Naruto in a blind state. He's getting blitzed. But 1 Rin'negan Madara obviously stomps.