Frog Kata is SO overrated

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Madara wasn't at the best conditions either. He is an Uchiha, he relied on his eye sight for his entire life and at that moment he was blind. He didn't had Hashirama's SM either. Don't try to make it look like Naruto was the only one who wasn't at his best. Madara was at worst condition and still owned everyone except Sasuke.

Than he gets Hashirama's SM, and Sasuke kicks in. Sasuke gave much better fight against SM Blind Madara while Naruto got one shotted by Blind Madara.
lol my man. No. Madara fought the senji clan countless time being nearly blind due to the MS effect. When he got his EMS, that was like the first time he fought at full strength with clear eyes sight.

Madara is a pro at fighting blind!
 

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Sage mode supposedly make the user like 10 times stronger right? You can't really be that tired and be in sage mode at the same time. He may not been at his best, but he was at a level where he could easily whoop some kage level shinobi ass without breaking a sweat. Naruto knew that he was dealing with madara. So letting his guard down is not possible unless he is that dumb.

I'm not knocking him down. I'm just saying frog kata is overrated and his sage mode is not all that. Just stop giving him so much credits. Everybody gotta lose sometimes.
No. It makes their bodies more durable enough to actually hold larger objects, it does not make their bodies more powerful to destroy things on contact like Sakura/Tsunade's superior strength. No Naruto was not letting his guard down, Madara was just obviously a better shinobi. Which is OBVIOUS considering who Madara is, and who Naruto is.

Madara wasn't at the best conditions either. He is an Uchiha, he relied on his eye sight for his entire life and at that moment he was blind. He didn't had Hashirama's SM either. Don't try to make it look like Naruto was the only one who wasn't at his best. Madara was at worst condition and still owned everyone except Sasuke.

Than he gets Hashirama's SM, and Sasuke kicks in. Sasuke gave much better fight against SM Blind Madara while Naruto got one shotted by Blind Madara.
Yeah? For an Uchiha who relied on his eye sight for his entire life, he seemed to have pinpointed Sasuke's position when Amaterasu hit him without Sage Mode, found Hashirama, and pinpointed Sai/Naruto's movements before striking them off. You can say Madara was not at his "best" but he clearly was better than everybody else.

The Sasuke who handled Madara with Kenjutsu was a tier (or two) above SM Naruto. EMS = SM? Crazy.
 

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lol my man. No. Madara fought the senji clan countless time being nearly blind due to the MS effect. When he got his EMS, that was like the first time he fought at full strength with clear eyes sight.

Madara is a pro at fighting blind!
I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is Madara relied on his eyes first, other senses after. He was known sensor after all. So basically when he was against Naruto/Sai/Hashirama, he was at his worst condition.
 

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No. It makes their bodies more durable enough to actually hold larger objects, it does not make their bodies more powerful to destroy things on contact like Sakura/Tsunade's superior strength. No Naruto was not letting his guard down, Madara was just obviously a better shinobi. Which is OBVIOUS considering who Madara is, and who Naruto is.


Yeah? For an Uchiha who relied on his eye sight for his entire life, he seemed to have pinpointed Sasuke's position when Amaterasu hit him without Sage Mode, found Hashirama, and pinpointed Sai/Naruto's movements before striking them off. You can say Madara was not at his "best" but he clearly was better than everybody else.

The Sasuke who handled Madara with Kenjutsu was a tier (or two) above SM Naruto. EMS = SM? Crazy.
that was all I needed hear from you.
 

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I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is Madara relied on his eyes first, other senses after. He was known sensor after all. So basically when he was against Naruto/Sai/Hashirama, he was at his worst condition.


You never know how strong a person is until being strong is the only choice that person have.

Which is why Madara is the best! The whole world was right there. Madara wasn't scare at all. He kept his cool and put on the batman cape.

Madara is the true solo king!
 

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You never know how strong a person is until being strong is the only choice that person have.

Which is why Madara is the best! The whole world was right there. Madara wasn't scare at all. He kept his cool and put on the batman cape.

Madara is the true solo king!
I'm not saying Madara is worst. Madara is compared to his regular self was at bad condition. Because he was handicapped, even at these conditions he owned SM Naruto with one move.



Yeah? For an Uchiha who relied on his eye sight for his entire life, he seemed to have pinpointed Sasuke's position when Amaterasu hit him without Sage Mode, found Hashirama, and pinpointed Sai/Naruto's movements before striking them off. You can say Madara was not at his "best" but he clearly was better than everybody else.
He is sensor, so it is not unexpected for him to pinpoint Sasuke there. Almost every human can smell too, but can all of them use it as efficient as their sight ? Madara's fighting style relied on his sight first, sensing and etc after. So he was at his worst condition because when he had sight he also had sensing as well.

The Sasuke who handled Madara with Kenjutsu was a tier (or two) above SM Naruto. EMS = SM? Crazy.
Frog Kata gives users extended range for close combat and danger sensing.
Sword gives user extended range for close combat.

So they aren't completly different than each other, sure they have their differences but Blind Madara without SM supposedly had no counter for Frog Kata's invisible extended Range yet Naruto failed horribly.

While Sasuke, he fought against a superior Madara while giving much better performence.

This means Frog Kata is overrated.

You're claiming Naruto wasn't at his max and all this nonsense.. Compared to Madara, Naruto was at top notch condition.
 
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Was that before or after Taka ran to his rescue and had to save his life before he died?


Susano'o*


What?


Itachi did too. Hell he was dying, which makes the feat less credible.


All crap


Taka didn't save him from liger bomb and before that they stepped in to block darui and Ay but sasuke immediately told suigetsu why did he butt in and not to butt in so clearly you saying he was going to die is merely hating on sasuke and speculation.


The karate chop went in between the ribcages and made direct contact with sasuke's throat which is why he spit out blood immediately




When sasuke made it to the summit council room chojuro hit him with his sword albeit ribcage was activate but it still hurt him because it knocked him through a wall and he just fought Ay and used ms so he was already physically weakened.

Every cell hurting in your body isn't a feat ???llab at yo hating ass ahahaha

Only two people showed ms drawbacks and both carried on nobody in the manga has ever had anything on that level of p cellular pain even tsunade being split in half doesn't equal every cell being destroyed in your body

Lmao hating on a cartoon character really man really please get some *****
 

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No one can really argue against that.
Base Madara > Naruto

SM does not grant Naruto more speed. KCM+ do.

Madara still had some way of sensing everyone with Hashirama's cells alone, which put him at an advantage even with no eyes still.
Wonder why Danzo couldn't be about that life. interesting.
 

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I was talking about Deva Pain, even konohamaru can give them a rough time...
After relying on clones as distraction and hiding the real self.

Fighting them bare handed is next to impossible due to shared vision and the paths themselves being strong and fast, and that's what the thread is about.

Naruto fighting a already weakened and exhausted Pain counts as manhandling now ?
What weakened?

His powers were working and deva path moved closer to nagato increasing the power of chakra being transmitted. Thats what allowed him to use chibaku tensei in the first place.

Don't make excuses for preta path getting one shotted and deva path being thrown like a rag doll. Jiraiya did the same when paths had just started fighting.

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As if any of them could withstand it when giant summons are being tossed around.

Naruto was lucky enough Kurama weakened Pain for him
Unwanted transformation hurt naruto more so, his clones with senjutsu vanished.

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And naruto's body gets weakened as he gets taken over by kyuubi.

The path is a dead body who only needs chakra transmitted to him to fight. Nagato has enough to revive an entire village and the path had moved closer to him making the chakra signal stronger.

Otherwise he would have gotten manhandled like last time

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Thats funny, it only happened after naruto had lost sage mode.

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lol my man. No. Madara fought the senji clan countless time being nearly blind due to the MS effect. When he got his EMS, that was like the first time he fought at full strength with clear eyes sight.

Madara is a pro at fighting blind!


Thats speculation because we don't know the time frame between when he got ms to ems so this post is pure speculation with no support.

Also just to further solo this ms sasuke was going blind and still beat danzo clashed with kakashi and overpower sakura and match naruto so being partially blind isn't the same as having no eyes at all.
 

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It's an extremely powerful ability that just wasn't expanded upon. It's one of those abilities that would be too powerful if used too much. Which seems weird since Limbo itself is even more powerful in the same way but then Kishi found a way to counter it in a logical way. You can't really counter Frog Kata unless you have Senjutsu yourself (at least that's one way that should be able to counter it), but even then, Naruto's Senjutsu is superior to everyone's so his Frog Kata would likely be faster than ever before. I mean, how do you counter invisible punches that you can't see coming? There's a reason Naruto and Sasuke never fought in CQC when they were fresher in the battle. Would be a massacre for Naruto.
 

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The only crap here are your posts. Honestly
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Taka didn't save him from liger bomb and before that they stepped in to block darui and Ay but sasuke immediately told suigetsu why did he butt in and not to butt in so clearly you saying he was going to die is merely hating on sasuke and speculation.
Did they?











:|

The karate chop went in between the ribcages and made direct contact with sasuke's throat which is why he spit out blood immediately
What?









Every cell hurting in your body isn't a feat ???
Sending a technique that can shred your chakra points in a single throw is not a feat? Sasuke never stated that the pain was so unbearable that he could not move. He said it hurt every cell in his body, but he even mentioned that Itachi unleashed more of the Susano'os power argubly making the feat look frail.

Lmao hating on a cartoon character really man really please get some *****
Read the manga first before you state baseless claims like the fool you are ~
 
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No one can really argue against that.
Base Madara > Naruto

SM does not grant Naruto more speed. KCM+ do.

Madara still had some way of sensing everyone with Hashirama's cells alone, which put him at an advantage even with no eyes still.


Fail sm naruto and sm jiraya speed blitzed the pains after getting sm


Madara is just better any way you put it

Blind madara= super duper base madara

Blind madara>sm war arc naruto

> kcm naruto

And probably can compete with bm naruto

Hashirama did express fear when madara came back to life saying he has his original powers now.
 

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Thats speculation because we don't know the time frame between when he got ms to ems so this post is pure speculation with no support.

Also just to further solo this ms sasuke was going blind and still beat danzo clashed with kakashi and overpower sakura and match naruto so being partially blind isn't the same as having no eyes at all.
Speculation? Come on now. You're telling me that the Uchiha and senji clan only fought like 3 times during a 20 years period before the village was found? You're telling me that madara wasn't blind during his battle where his brother die from? You're telling me that sharingan Madara was able to hold his own against hashirama who have wood release and tie the battle with him several times before getting the MS?

That's not speculation. Madara is a pro at fighting blind period. He knew he was going blind, so he put a great deal of focusing into his sensing ability.
 

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Fail again

They didn't save him from.Liger Bomb

That scan doesn't show them saving him from Liger Bomb nor would he have been performed on him if they save him from.it nor would darui say nobody has ever survived liger bomb if it didn't happen to him




Itachi is tough as hell too, just because he has the feat too doesn't diminish the quality of it that's your opinion which isn't a fact



The karate chop went in between the ribcages to hit him in the throat if it didn't touch him directly then why would he cough up.blood?


You need to read the manga saying they saved him from liger bomb which they didn't, everything I said happened in the manga


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That's why it's an inconsistency... U_U

Naruto was in SM, that accounts for his ability to tank the fire.
Fodders were covered by a Kyuubi Cloak, that accounts for their ability to tank the fire.
Sasuke was.... bare. Are we assuming that a katon jutsu from Madara uchiha isn't enough to leave a visible mark on a base shinobi?

Not to mention the fact that these fodders were severely wounded by this blast, despite being covered in a Kyuubi cloak, which cannonically tanked a Juubi Sized Katon.

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Not tanked. Yet tanked by Base Sasuke
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Why? That is all I'm trying to figure out.
it's PIS. Kishi couldn't have Sasuke damaged at that point.
 

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Pretty much lost all your respect and credibility that I had for you here
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You continue to fail I said bm probably that scan shows bsm...big differences and not a counter to my post because I didn't say anything about bSm


You should think before you act.


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