[VS] Free-For-All catastrophe

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

In the first five minutes of battle, at least half the combatants will be dead. all that will be left are sasuke, naruto, itachi(yata mirror), kaguya, madara, kakashi and juubito. any one of sasuke, naruto or madara would win.

 

[Nagato The Sage]

:lol, why in the world didn't I think of that? Based Naruto prevails again.



Having the superior Dojutsu doesn't mean anything and we've seen this considering EMS Madara destroys Nagato despite Nagato having the Rinnegan. It depends on your techniques with said Dojutsu. Not sure how many times this has to be said before people realize this. Not to mention all he can do with the Rinne Sharingan is IT and Shin Jukai Kotan. Everything else are techniques that only Kaguya can use.

She has the stronger attacks, the better arsenal, the better physical stats. Lmao. He beats her in no area that'd let him win. None whatosever. That's why I don't even see a real argument here.



Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Naruto never stalemated Kaguya. He was only holding her off. Completely different from stalemating. Not to mention she wasn't even going for the kill. She was trying to absorb his chakra. The only reason she didn't massacre him is because he made a wall of clones to hide behind. To hold her off, because he knew he's not strong enough to take her on. Madara being stronger than Naruto doesn't mean anything Kaguya is stronger than him and Naruto too.

Sasuke was also smarter than Naruto....look what happened to him. Lmao. He got spanked everytime he engaged Kaguya. And no, she wouldn't have a hard time dealing with Limbo and PS. She can easily see Limbo, so anything that comes at her gets smacked away by Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack, the same thing happens to PS, or it gets hit by "Yomotsu Hirasaka+Ash Bone" combo and disintegrates. Chibaku Tensei and PS is harder to deal with, but considering her attacks are far stronger than what Naruto and Sasuke used to counter CT in canon, she has literally no issue here either.


Please stop putting Madara on Kaguya's level when Manga made it very clear that he isn't. If that isn't wank I don't know what is.

Nagano isn't a valid point to use. He's an Uzumaki, a clan that doesn't even use eye jutsu. In every case where it was the original owner, that rule applied. No MS user can beat an EMS user, and no EMS user can beat a Rinnegan user (Nagato is an exception because he can't use their full power).

You contradict yourself as well, you say that Naruto can only stake her on because of tactics. Then turn around and say that tactics don't work because Sasuke got wrecked. Sasuke was losing because of the considerable gap, Naruto was capable because the gap in power was much smaller.

Madara is near her in power and smarter than Naruto or Sasuke. So those arnt valid counters.

PS doesn't get smacked either. Its a great deal stronger than Sasuke's which is formed by Indras chakra and half of Hagoromos. While Madara's is formed by the Juubi's chakra and a portion of Hagoromo's that Madara already had. Then there's the fact it's being formed by much better eyes (two Rinnegan and Kaguya's eye) vs (a gimped version of Kaguya's eye)

Kaguya doesn't have anything to plow through CT either, she couldn't even overpower Naruto's Biju element RS barrage. Something far weaker than what Naruto used to counter CT and even then he needed Sasuke's help

 

[Vanto]

I reiterate : being smarter is useless in this fight, everyone is brain-dead, and only has the urges to kill/kill/kill, Madara and Kaguya are pretty much the same but she has more raw power compared to him, while I give him the doubt of being potentially more versatile.

 

[Zexion~]

Hidan ends up on top pretty easily?

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Nagano isn't a valid point to use. He's an Uzumaki, a clan that doesn't even use eye jutsu. In every case where it was the original owner, that rule applied. No MS user can beat an EMS user, and no EMS user can beat a Rinnegan user (Nagato is an exception because he can't use their full power).

Not to mention all he can do with the Rinne Sharingan is IT and Shin Jukai Kotan. Everything else are techniques that only Kaguya can use.

All that needs to be said here. Madara having a superior Dojutsu means nothing when Kaguya's Byakugan techniques trump his Rinnegan techniques, and when he can't even use any useful abilities from the Rinne Sharingan.

You contradict yourself as well, you say that Naruto can only stake her on because of tactics. Then turn around and say that tactics don't work because Sasuke got wrecked. Sasuke was losing because of the considerable gap, Naruto was capable because the gap in power was much smaller.

Wrong. Never once said that. Sasuke failing means that he didn't have the necessary arsenal to survive against Kaguya unlike Naruto. Sasuke was losing because he's weaker. Naruto wasn't getting spanked because he had the moveset to hold her off. Don't mention his power again unless you want to tell me that Naruto w/o Avatar>Naruto w/ Avatar=Sasuke.

Madara is near her in power and smarter than Naruto or Sasuke. So those arnt valid counters.

Except he isn't near her in power. Lmao.

PS doesn't get smacked either. Its a great deal stronger than Sasuke's which is formed by Indras chakra and half of Hagoromos. While Madara's is formed by the Juubi's chakra and a portion of Hagoromo's that Madara already had. Then there's the fact it's being formed by much better eyes (two Rinnegan and Kaguya's eye) vs (a gimped version of Kaguya's eye)

Good deal stronger than Sasuke's=/=Strong enough to defeat Kaguya considering Kaguya raped Sasuke's Susanoo in a weakened state, let alone her regular state. Let alone her powered up state. Ash Bones. Eighty God Vacuum Attack. Expansive Gudo Dama which can bust one of Kaguya's dimensions. Madara's Susanoo is obliterated by any of these attacks, and he dies with it if the last attack is used.

Kaguya doesn't have anything to plow through CT either, she couldn't even overpower Naruto's Biju element RS barrage. Something far weaker than what Naruto used to counter CT and even then he needed Sasuke's help

What the hell? I really hope you are joking with this nonsense. Sasuke cut up CT. His PS attacks are weaker than PS Chidori, which is equal to PS Bijuu Dama. That only did moderate damage to Susanoo. Kaguya completely obliterated the same Susanoo on two occasions yet somehow she doesn't have the power to plow through CT? The dishonesty or outright dismissal of manga events is astounding.

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

Make it Itachi vs Rest of Them and we may have a debate.

 

[Vanto]

I added Akatsuki for more fodders, plus, Itachi probably won't have the time to MS.

Hidan wins if everyone is dead/sealed and he's conscious with at least 10% of his body still there.

 

[Nagato The Sage]

Not to mention all he can do with the Rinne Sharingan is IT and Shin Jukai Kotan. Everything else are techniques that only Kaguya can use.

And? Did I ever say that he would use a different tech? Its just makes his existing one's stronger.

All that needs to be said here. Madara having a superior Dojutsu means nothing when Kaguya's Byakugan techniques trump his Rinnegan techniques, and when he can't even use any useful abilities from the Rinne Sharingan.

So your saying Vacuum Palm > Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, and PS? Yea right.

Wrong. Never once said that. Sasuke failing means that he didn't have the necessary arsenal to survive against Kaguya unlike Naruto. Sasuke was losing because he's weaker. Naruto wasn't getting spanked because he had the moveset to hold her off. Don't mention his power again unless you want to tell me that Naruto w/o Avatar>Naruto w/ Avatar=Sasuke.

The Avatar doesn't really add much to Naruto, he had better attacking feats without it. The only thing he can do in the avatar that he really can't without it is use the worlds nature energy and fight hand to hand on a giant scale.

Except he isn't near her in power. Lmao.

Except he is. Kaguya is just him with a weaker set of eyes and more chakra. Though far less intelligent and experienced in battle.

Good deal stronger than Sasuke's=/=Strong enough to defeat Kaguya considering Kaguya raped Sasuke's Susanoo in a weakened state, let alone her regular state. Let alone her powered up state. Ash Bones. Eighty God Vacuum Attack. Expansive Gudo Dama which can bust one of Kaguya's dimensions. Madara's Susanoo is obliterated by any of these attacks, and he dies with it if the last attack is used.

In her regular state she completely busted it, mind you she was never able to do this again. Later in a weakend state, Sasuke was going against her by himself. Albeit she punched some holes in it.

What the hell? I really hope you are joking with this nonsense. Sasuke cut up CT. His PS attacks are weaker than PS Chidori, which is equal to PS Bijuu Dama. That only did moderate damage to Susanoo. Kaguya completely obliterated the same Susanoo on two occasions yet somehow she doesn't have the power to plow through CT? The dishonesty or outright dismissal of manga events is astounding.

So what? It took 7 Wind Style Tailed Beast Bombs and Sasuke slicing and dicing on the way up (took out a multiples). 1 WTBB >> 1 BD. Prove Chidori has ever in the history of this manga done radius damage, all that damage was from TB alone.

Kaguya has proven she can bust Susano'O, but she hasn't proved she can put out the amount of damage above without Giant TSB, which gets interrupted.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

And? Did I ever say that he would use a different tech? Its just makes his existing one's stronger.

Except it doesn't. When you can actually prove that it does get back to me.

So your saying Vacuum Palm > Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, and PS? Yea right.

When Madara's Shinra Tensei has the power to obliterate Sasuke's Susanoo, his own PS, and his CT like Kaguya's Vacuum Fist can, then we can talk.

The Avatar doesn't really add much to Naruto,

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he had better attacking feats without it. The only thing he can do in the avatar that he really can't without it is use the worlds nature energy and fight hand to hand on a giant scale.

Better durability, better CQC (By far) and he can use larger Bijuu Dama than he's ever used in human form. Then there's Avatar clones. Then there's the fact that you dodged the whole question. Naruto w/ his Avatar is stronger than he is without it. It's been like this from the start, and that won't change. Ever.

Except he is. Kaguya is just him with a weaker set of eyes and more chakra. Though far less intelligent and experienced in battle.

Only those who wank over Madara would put him on Kaguya's level when Manga has made it clear that she is far above him.

In her regular state she completely busted it, mind you she was never able to do this again. Later in a weakend state, Sasuke was going against her by himself. Albeit she punched some holes in it.

Wow. I'm not sure if you are incapable of reading the Manga, or you just don't want to admit certain things that'd destroy your argument, or if your fanboyism for Madara has clouded what poor judgement you might have had before.

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5 hits. Obliterated. Busted. In her regular state she one shotted it. Her never being able to one shot again isn't relevant to my point. If she has the power to rape Sasuke's Susanoo in a weakened state, then Madara's Susanoo isn't doing jack to her in her regular, or her powered up state.

So what? It took 7 Wind Style Tailed Beast Bombs and Sasuke slicing and dicing on the way up (took out a multiples). 1 WTBB >> 1 BD. Prove Chidori has ever in the history of this manga done radius damage, all that damage was from TB alone.

What the hell?

1. BDFRS's explosion radius is smaller than Naruto's regular sized Bijuu Dama's. So no, it's not stronger.

2. If took 7 and Sasuke's attacks to destroy all of them. Kaguya has the power and the range to hit most of them, and any of her upper tiered attacks would obliterate them since they can destroy Susanoo while the attacks that cut up CT canonically failed to destroy PS, and something equal to PS in durability.

3. Lmao. Go watch The Last pal. Sasuke's Chidori blew up a giant meteor. Then there's the fact that whether or not Chidori explodes doesn't change the fact that the explosion contained power from Chidori and Bijuu Dama. Are you going to tell me that all of Naruto and Sasuke's clashes (Rasengan v Chidori) have been only Rasengan's power when the explosion appears? I really hope you aren't.

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When Rasengan can do any of this on it's own then we can talk.

Same thing happened with Indra's Arrow, or is the explosion all Naruto as well?

4. Even if you are right about the above part, which you aren't, Sasuke's PS sword attacks were being blocked by Naruto's tails. The same Sword that obliterated Madara's CT satellites. Naruto's Bijuu Dama>His tails. Kaguya's attacks>>>>>>>>Naruto's Bijuu Dama.

Kaguya has proven she can bust Susano'O, but she hasn't proved she can put out the amount of damage above without Giant TSB, which gets interrupted.

Interrupted by what? Lmao. Nothing. That's what. If he tries to interrupt her, she stops him and then tosses it right at him and finishes him off.

 

[Vanto]

It isn't Madara vs Kaguya tho.

While it is basically Kaguya vs Madara vs Sasuke vs Naruto vs Toneri vs Kakashi, with the rest dying in seconds (yes, even the mighty Itachi), and unless they attack at the same time, Madara will have other foes on his level to worry about, I doubt he could fight Kaguya by himself without immense pressure, and with at least 4 others people who can match him, pulling off attack will be complicated.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Spoiler

Except it doesn't. When you can actually prove that it does get back to me.





When Madara's Shinra Tensei has the power to obliterate Sasuke's Susanoo, his own PS, and his CT like Kaguya's Vacuum Fist can, then we can talk.

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Better durability, better CQC (By far) and he can use larger Bijuu Dama than he's ever used in human form. Then there's Avatar clones. Then there's the fact that you dodged the whole question. Naruto w/ his Avatar is stronger than he is without it. It's been like this from the start, and that won't change. Ever.



Only those who wank over Madara would put him on Kaguya's level when Manga has made it clear that she is far above him.






Wow. I'm not sure if you are incapable of reading the Manga, or you just don't want to admit certain things that'd destroy your argument, or if your fanboyism for Madara has clouded what poor judgement you might have had before.

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5 hits. Obliterated. Busted. In her regular state she one shotted it. Her never being able to one shot again isn't relevant to my point. If she has the power to rape Sasuke's Susanoo in a weakened state, then Madara's Susanoo isn't doing jack to her in her regular, or her powered up state.






What the hell?

1. BDFRS's explosion radius is smaller than Naruto's regular sized Bijuu Dama's. So no, it's not stronger.

2. If took 7 and Sasuke's attacks to destroy all of them. Kaguya has the power and the range to hit most of them, and any of her upper tiered attacks would obliterate them since they can destroy Susanoo while the attacks that cut up CT canonically failed to destroy PS, and something equal to PS in durability.

3. Lmao. Go watch The Last pal. Sasuke's Chidori blew up a giant meteor. Then there's the fact that whether or not Chidori explodes doesn't change the fact that the explosion contained power from Chidori and Bijuu Dama. Are you going to tell me that all of Naruto and Sasuke's clashes (Rasengan v Chidori) have been only Rasengan's power when the explosion appears? I really hope you aren't.

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When Rasengan can do any of this on it's own then we can talk.

Same thing happened with Indra's Arrow, or is the explosion all Naruto as well?

4. Even if you are right about the above part, which you aren't, Sasuke's PS sword attacks were being blocked by Naruto's tails. The same Sword that obliterated Madara's CT satellites. Naruto's Bijuu Dama>His tails. Kaguya's attacks>>>>>>>>Naruto's Bijuu Dama.



Interrupted by what? Lmao. Nothing. That's what. If he tries to interrupt her, she stops him and then tosses it right at him and finishes him off.

Gonna second a lot of this. Though I don't think there's a massive gap between the two. If Kaguya's power was 100, I would have Prime Madara at 60-70.

Though don't forget, Kaguya snuck up on Sasuke and Naruto. Putting them in a hold draining they're chakra, while Naruto was the only one of the two that could break Black Zetsu + Kaguya's grip. Madara was completely immobilized by black Zetsu alone.

If Kaguya can get the jump on two faster characters then Madara's going to lose every ounce of Chakra he has​

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[KeyofDestiny]

Gonna second a lot of this. Though I don't think there's a massive gap between the two. If Kaguya's power was 100, I would have Prime Madara at 60-70.

Though don't forget, Kaguya snuck up on Sasuke and Naruto. Putting them in a hold draining they're chakra, while Naruto was the only one of the two that could break Black Zetsu + Kaguya's grip. Madara was completely immobilized by black Zetsu alone.

If Kaguya can get the jump on two faster characters then Madara's going to lose every ounce of Chakra he has​

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Doubt it. No character in the Manga is stronger than Kaguya. JJ Hagoromo is far stronger than Rinnegan Hagoromo who is on JJ Madara's level.

That might have been because they weren't aware of the nature of her ability, cause she tries to catch Naruto like she caught Sasuke in a similar way to sneaking up on them, actually easier since it was just her hand going through and not her whole body, and he evaded.

 

[Itachi Solos]

Every free-for-all has a weakness.

Spoiler

The existence of Itachi.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Doubt it. No character in the Manga is stronger than Kaguya. JJ Hagoromo is far stronger than Rinnegan Hagoromo who is on JJ Madara's level.

That might have been because they weren't aware of the nature of her ability, cause she tries to catch Naruto like she caught Sasuke in a similar way to sneaking up on them, actually easier since it was just her hand going through and not her whole body, and he evaded.

At work and on a phone so I'll make a reply later, but Naruto has sensing. So it shouldn't have mattered.

My biggest disagreement was you saying avatar BD > BDFRS. Very very wrong, I'll have a counter for that. Most everything else in your post was right though.​

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[Bogard]

Kaguya wins pretty easily. All she needs to do is kill either Naruto or Sasuke(and with the number of strong contestants with Jubi jins and other guys around, it will happen unless they miraculously decide to team-up against Kaguya) and doing that will remove any kind of the suspence is over since she is the strongest here and no one could seal her anymore. The moment she would alter and create new dimensions, no one could do anything

 

[KeyofDestiny]

At work and on a phone so I'll make a reply later, but Naruto has sensing. So it shouldn't have mattered.

My biggest disagreement was you saying avatar BD > BDFRS. Very very wrong, I'll have a counter for that. Most everything else in your post was right though.​

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Even with sensing, when he knew what to expect he evaded it.

Alright. I'll await your reply.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Even with sensing, when he knew what to expect he evaded it.

Alright. I'll await your reply.

Aight, I get off in a few hours. Though I have plans to get tore up lol

So I may VM you, it's not really pertinent to the thread and its obvious that Kaguya > Madara. I definately don't wanna give the Madara wanker any logical arguments to use either​

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[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

Every free-for-all has a weakness.

Spoiler

The existence of Itachi.

Make it Itachi vs Rest of Them and we may have a debate.

Lmao i love you guys

 

[Seventh Sama]

Aight, I get off in a few hours. Though I have plans to get tore up lol

So I may VM you, it's not really pertinent to the thread and its obvious that Kaguya > Madara. I definately don't wanna give the Madara wanker any logical arguments to use either​

Post em'. This is a debate afterall. :lol

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Post em'. This is a debate afterall. :lol

One that shouldn't be happening lol​

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