Forget the manga the fans are right

[sage22]

don't care anymore.

Then don't comment its simple.

 

[sage22]

really i thought he was in his late 20's early 30s they said he was younger than Kakashi when he was made Hokage.

If we assume he was 27-28 when he was made Hokage, cause Kakashi is 29-30 currently, we can calculate his death to be two years after he was made Hokage.

Itachi was around 4 during the Third Great Shinobi War ended, and he and Sasuke are six years apart. There was a part in the manga that showed Itachi holding a three month old Sasuke moments before the Nine Tail attacked. So two years must have passed since the war up to Minato's death.

Which would make him 29-30 when he died.

this is the best i can do lol

Actually nevermind I miss read ur previous 2 post ur right is prime would be around the age the 4tj died.

 

[Dantee]

Hiruzen is the strongest kage. Deal with it.

 

[Chef Boy RD]

can't i say the same thing about the anbu? and madara ? but u can't say the same about kishi and his databooks......

You can for the ANBU but at the same time you cannot really say that they are in fact drawing upon one else's opinion rather than their own. You can't for Madara because that's his opinion, not one else's. Regardless, it still doesn't change the fact that Kabuto wasn't referring to Hokages.

And let's not refer to the databook, it is sooo very much illogical, especially when deducing character statistics.

once again kishi didn't plan out everythign 10years ago kishi didn't plan on hashiraa having regeneration and same with tobirama.... if kishi were to right the same fight now he would just give the 3rd hokage more jutsu's cus in the end it would end the same..... can u not agree with that?

No I cannot agree upon that. Also, if Kishimoto didn't plan on this, then why are you still referring to outdated information to support your statements? We don't refer to documentations written a long time ago saying Earth is at the center of the universe and everything revolves around it as we have newer intel and evidence stating otherwise.

once again u are assuming what makes ur assumpiton better then mine cus i've used the manga to back me up "alot of dif. exampels " while hish people use to panels...... the anbu one and the madara one.....

The difference is that my assumption is reasonable while yours is a stretch. You make the assumption that by Orochimaru saying "if you were ten years younger things might have been different", it implies that prime Hiruzen is the strongest. That is taking information, way to its extremity and way out of context. All I ever stated was that Orochimaru was implying that the fight would have been more difficult for him, which is more believable and less than a stretch than your statement - which is what makes my assumption different.

i dont see ur point cus after all he was keeping the 9 tails at bay........

My point is that why didn't he just deal with the Kyuubi himself, instead of stalling for Minato? Oh wait, because he couldn't. By your own statement,

i consider his prime to bearound the age the 4th hokage died

Yondaime died that day Kyuubi attacked Konoha. So once again, if you believe that Hiruzen was in his prime at this time, why did he only stall until Minato came instead of dealing with the Kyuubi himself?

In the case of naruto physical is only 1/3 of strength. U also have the strength of chakra. Remember sasuke chakra is extremely strong but it doesn't cause the atmosphere to get dense. Also their is mental strength. Sakura mentally is almost just as strong as she is physically thus why she have inner sakura. So when iruka says hiruzen was the strongest it means as far as all 3 combine.
Taijutsu which is physical even tho he could barely hold up Emma anymore
Ninjutsu which is chakra or spiritual
Genjutsu which is mental.

But Tsunade's enormous strength is due to her chakra, so she would still be trumping Hiruzen chakra and physical strength wise. I don't see how Iruka could be commenting on Hiruzen's genjutsu prowess when he nor we have seen anything spectacular. If anything, he didn't even cancel Shodaime's Kokuangyou genjutsu.

 

[sage22]

You can for the ANBU but at the same time you cannot really say that they are in fact drawing upon one else's opinion rather than their own. You can't for Madara because that's his opinion, not one else's. Regardless, it still doesn't change the fact that Kabuto wasn't referring to Hokages.

And let's not refer to the databook, it is sooo very much illogical, especially when deducing character statistics.



No I cannot agree upon that. Also, if Kishimoto didn't plan on this, then why are you still referring to outdated information to support your statements? We don't refer to documentations written a long time ago saying Earth is at the center of the universe and everything revolves around it as we have newer intel and evidence stating otherwise.



The difference is that my assumption is reasonable while yours is a stretch. You make the assumption that by Orochimaru saying "if you were ten years younger things might have been different", it implies that prime Hiruzen is the strongest. That is taking information, way to its extremity and way out of context. All I ever stated was that Orochimaru was implying that the fight would have been more difficult for him, which is more believable and less than a stretch than your statement - which is what makes my assumption different.



My point is that why didn't he just deal with the Kyuubi himself, instead of stalling for Minato? Oh wait, because he couldn't. By your own statement,



Yondaime died that day Kyuubi attacked Konoha. So once again, if you believe that Hiruzen was in his prime at this time, why did he only stall until Minato came instead of dealing with the Kyuubi himself?




But Tsunade's enormous strength is due to her chakra, so she would still be trumping Hiruzen chakra and physical strength wise. I don't see how Iruka could be commenting on Hiruzen's genjutsu prowess when he nor we have seen anything spectacular. If anything, he didn't even cancel Shodaime's Kokuangyou genjutsu.

Tsunade strength comes from her chakra control not her chakra being strong. Remember he could barely use shadow clones. Kakashi chakra is below average yeteen he could still make 5 clones vs zabuza or at least after the fight. Also the other guy meant that hiruzen was in his prime at the age of 29-39 which is the age the 4th died.

 

[sage22]

Hiruzen is the strongest kage. Deal with it.

Sadly even tho this has been verified 3 times already people still say otherwise.

 

[KamuiShiryu]

Actually nevermind I miss read ur previous 2 post ur right is prime would be around the age the 4tj died.

it happens lol

You can for the ANBU but at the same time you cannot really say that they are in fact drawing upon one else's opinion rather than their own. You can't for Madara because that's his opinion, not one else's. Regardless, it still doesn't change the fact that Kabuto wasn't referring to Hokages.

And let's not refer to the databook, it is sooo very much illogical, especially when deducing character statistics.

well then i can say its the 3rd hokages opinion that he is still the strongest at that age

No I cannot agree upon that. Also, if Kishimoto didn't plan on this, then why are you still referring to outdated information to support your statements? We don't refer to documentations written a long time ago saying Earth is at the center of the universe and everything revolves around it as we have newer intel and evidence stating otherwise..

thats were u are wrong kishi hasn't changed his mind about anything yet cus he has had many opportunities to say the 3rd isn't the strongest but hasn't he still made kabuto say that orochimaru had perfected the edo... when talking to obito so we can say that the third was indeed fighting a fully powrful 1st and 2nd..... and if u can't face that then sorry u don't write the manga kishi did and he himself stated orochimarus was fully perfected....

The difference is that my assumption is reasonable while yours is a stretch. You make the assumption that by Orochimaru saying "if you were ten years younger things might have been different", it implies that prime Hiruzen is the strongest. That is taking information, way to its extremity and way out of context. All I ever stated was that Orochimaru was implying that the fight would have been more difficult for him, which is more believable and less than a stretch than your statement - which is what makes my assumption different..

no no no the difference is i'm using the manga as examples while u are using assumptions get the straight....... i used the orochimaru statement as an example of how his old age worked against him and how 10years can make a differance...

My point is that why didn't he just deal with the Kyuubi himself, instead of stalling for Minato? Oh wait, because he couldn't. By your own statement,



Yondaime died that day Kyuubi attacked Konoha. So once again, if you believe that Hiruzen was in his prime at this time, why did he only stall until Minato came instead of dealing with the Kyuubi himself?

read my above statement i said the 3rds prime was around the age of minatos when he died meaning his prime is 30 and even minato couldn't deal witht he kyuubi he had to use the dds........

 

[Chef Boy RD]

Tsunade strength comes from her chakra control not her chakra being strong. Remember he could barely use shadow clones. Kakashi chakra is below average yeteen he could still make 5 clones vs zabuza or at least after the fight. Also the other guy meant that hiruzen was in his prime at the age of 29-39 which is the age the 4th died.

That doesn't make sense. So basically you're implying that Sakura and Tsunade's chakra control trumps everyone's by far which is why their strengths are enhanced to that point whereas no one else's. They've even explained to us on numerous occasions that Tsunade is chakra *****. If she didn't have a high chakra pool there would be no way that she could have healed all Konoha's shinobis during Pain's invasion. There has been no feats in Naruto that exemplifies one having such high chakra pools but feats by Naruto and Tsunade, none else.

Kakashi doesn't have below average chakra. Sasuke only has a maximum of 2 Chidori shots before his chakra is drained and the Cursed Seal takes over (pre-shippuuden) and no one says he has low chakra. We see Kakashi in the Kakashi Gaiden spam chidori so many times it isn't even funny, so even as a kid his chakra pool is not below average.

Sadly even tho this has been verified 3 times already people still say otherwise.

Where has it been verified 3 times? Iruka is being biased and says it, that one, at the least I'll give you that. The statement about Kabuto is invalid as he wasn't talking about Hokages. So where is the last verification? Please say the Databook and let me get into how illogical the databook is.

 

[Chef Boy RD]

thats were u are wrong kishi hasn't changed his mind about anything yet cus he has had many opportunities to say the 3rd isn't the strongest but hasn't he still made kabuto say that orochimaru had perfected the edo... when talking to obito so we can say that the third was indeed fighting a fully powrful 1st and 2nd..... and if u can't face that then sorry u don't write the manga kishi did and he himself stated orochimarus was fully perfected....

So the author making his character, Madara, pretty much the God of Naruto right now, state that the only one that can stop him is Hashirama means what? The fact that Madara, the God of Naruto is on Hashirama's bandwagon isn't Kishimoto telling us something right... But it's okay when Kishimoto has one character (Iruka) state Hiruzen to be the strongest, despite having more characters (ANBU and Madara) tell us otherwise... okay.

no no no the difference is i'm using the manga as examples while u are using assumptions get the straight....... i used the orochimaru statement as an example of how his old age worked against him and how 10years can make a differance...

But you aren't. Orochimaru says, "if you was ten years younger, things [the fight] would have been different" from that you are implying that Hiruzen is the strongest in his prime, that's not good use of context clues.

All I am saying is that Orochimaru meant that the fight would have been more difficult for him, which is supported by the manga and is common sense. Obviously if he was younger he would prove a more potent force making the fight more difficult no? Obviously Orochimaru was clowning Sarutobi throughout the whole fight with statements such as, "please don't disappoint me", etc.

read my above statement i said the 3rds prime was around the age of minatos when he died meaning his prime is 30 and even minato couldn't deal witht he kyuubi he had to use the dds........

That is called dealing with the Kyuubi which Hiruzen could not, plain and simple. And to add insult to injury, people on the Hiruzen bandwagon cannot even agree upon a proper time period in which his prime was and they only make assumptions.

 

[sage22]

That doesn't make sense. So basically you're implying that Sakura and Tsunade's chakra control trumps everyone's by far which is why their strengths are enhanced to that point whereas no one else's. They've even explained to us on numerous occasions that Tsunade is chakra *****. If she didn't have a high chakra pool there would be no way that she could have healed all Konoha's shinobis during Pain's invasion. There has been no feats in Naruto that exemplifies one having such high chakra pools but feats by Naruto and Tsunade, none else.

Kakashi doesn't have below average chakra. Sasuke only has a maximum of 2 Chidori shots before his chakra is drained and the Cursed Seal takes over (pre-shippuuden) and no one says he has low chakra. We see Kakashi in the Kakashi Gaiden spam chidori so many times it isn't even funny, so even as a kid his chakra pool is not below average.



Where has it been verified 3 times? Iruka is being biased and says it, that one, at the least I'll give you that. The statement about Kabuto is invalid as he wasn't talking about Hokages. So where is the last verification? Please say the Databook and let me get into how illogical the databook is.

No u missunderstood my statement. I don't mean she doesn't have a lot of chakra I mean her chakra isn't strong. The strength of ninjutsu depends onthings. The level of the jutsu the strength of the chakra of the user n how much chakra they put into the jutsu. Here's 3 examples.
The sasuke itachi fight they use the same fire jutsu but assumes over power itachi's cuz he has more chakra to put into it.
During naurot pain fight one path absorbs the natural energy from naruto n turned to stoned cuz the chakra of the earth is stronger than the chakra of any ninja that's why u need a lot of chakra to balance it out which is why naruto doesn't need help to maintain sage mode like jirayai.
The last example would beat oro vs hiruzen. Hiruzen didn't have a lot of chakra to spare but even with the lil bit he had it was still strong enough to affect the atmosphere. N ur right kakashi chakra isn't below average its about average but in part 1 kakashi says sasuke has more chakra then he does. Kakashi could do more chidors cuz his control was better than sasukes at the time.
Also I could give u 3 but like I said I'm not really tryna get into that discussion again.

 

[KamuiShiryu]

So the author making his character, Madara, pretty much the God of Naruto right now, state that the only one that can stop him is Hashirama means what? The fact that Madara, the God of Naruto is on Hashirama's bandwagon isn't Kishimoto telling us something right... But it's okay when Kishimoto has one character (Iruka) state Hiruzen to be the strongest, despite having more characters (ANBU and Madara) tell us otherwise... okay..

:flaw: once again how can madara say that when he never fought the 4th nor the 3rd yes its safe for him to assume that the 1st was the only one that can beat him cus he has...... are u saying that sense madara said only the 1st can beat him naruto isn't going to find a way to beat him......

i've already stated 1.kabuto 2.Iruka 3.Hiruzen 4. orochimaru 5. kishi... have all stated or hinted i should say that the 3rd was the strongest " irukia hiruzen and kishi" or was stronger at his prime "Kabuto and orochimaru" thats 5 people and i used the manga to back it up so manga > ur assumption sorry :ice:

All I am saying is that Orochimaru meant that the fight would have been more difficult for him, which is supported by the manga and is common sense. Obviously if he was younger he would prove a more potent force making the fight more difficult no? Obviously Orochimaru was clowning Sarutobi throughout the whole fight with statements such as, "please don't disappoint me", etc..

ahhh to add to my other post 6th person is emma saying he is weak compared to his prime... orochimaru might not have been fighting with is full power but he himself stated that he made the 1st and 2nd into killing machines meaning they were going full out dont tell me if ur intent to kill ur going to be holding back???? once again using the manga stating they are killing machines and were at full power due to edo manga > ur assumption

That is called dealing with the Kyuubi which Hiruzen could not, plain and simple. And to add insult to injury, people on the Hiruzen bandwagon cannot even agree upon a proper time period in which his prime was and they only make assumptions.

FAIL!!!! once again
Hiruzen could have used the dds like minato did to "deal" with the kyuubi but because he didn't means he is weak.... so i guess its the 1st and 2nd fault for not using there jutsu's using ur own arguement against you guess they are weak too........ and me and sage had a misunderstanding and we both agree his prime was around 30ish nice try though

 

[Unbiased King]

Yes. If I had a cookie, it would be yours, sir.

 

[The Alchemist]

I get what you're saying. Even I sometimes am guilty of this behavior. But the way I see it, some people who make predictions are actually researching the manga before they write a thread while most others post BS.*Coughs* Dr. Proof.*Cough*

 

[RikudoKami]

I guess Hashirama was the best Hokage because Konoha was a safer place & the Uchiha's were equal at that point.

Tobirama wasn't a good hokage, he was just there so Madara couldn't be Hokage.

Hiruzen was ok, he did an ok job at protecting Konoha, but he is all Hype.

Minato was a mediocre Hokage, if Hiruzen wasn't there Konoha would've gotten annihilated.

Tsunade was a terrible Hokage, Nagato Solo'd Konoha with relative ease.

 

[sage22]

I get what you're saying. Even I sometimes am guilty of this behavior. But the way I see it, some people who make predictions are actually researching the manga before they write a thread while most others post BS.*Coughs* Dr. Proof.*Cough*

Everyone is a lil biased but I'm not a person that's gonna disregard what something says in the manga with no proof. But the real problem is people don't know how to really comprehend what they read or they just choose to believe different.

 

[RikudoKami]

Hiruzen didn't know the Reaper Death Seal until after Minato used it.

 

[sage22]

Hiruzen didn't know the Reaper Death Seal until afte
Dude stfu ur making shit up.

 

[Lucidus]

Hiruzen didn't know the Reaper Death Seal until afte
Dude stfu ur making shit up.

the 4th taught hiruzen the reaper death seal :| get ur facts right mate ..... also edo madara stating that hashirama was the only ninja to be able to stand up 2 him

madara's words > iruka's and hiruzens

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

The manga has been wrong sometimes. For example: Madara needing to be rinne tensei'd to become a jinchuriki, and tobi's pains.

 

[RikudoKami]

Hiruzen didn't know the Reaper Death Seal until afte
Dude stfu ur making shit up.

Hiruzen clearly stated that the Reaper Death Seal was Minatos Jutsu, Hiruzen didn't know it Minato did, Hiruzen recently learned it because it was Minatos Jutsu.