For you Obito haters

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

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[Bijuu Bomber]

Why does it feel like Everyone is suddenly posting long paragraphs

Because it makes us feel intellectual, not that it really matters here..

 

[KayaUzumaki]

Some of the worst things have been done with the best intentions. It's the same argument that Nagato was using when he moved to destroy Konoha. Obito may be wanting to erase the pain and sorrow that people feel when they lose someone but he is going about it the wrong way. Tell me how taking away the free will of a person works out for the best? Simple answer is that it DOESN'T. Infinite Tsukuyomi is merely an illusion meant to give Madara (and Obito perhaps) complete control over humanity. Obito is trying to say that he is doing this for the betterment of humanity when in actuality he just wants his own pain to disappear. That is why I dislike Obito's character now. He is not only lying to the Alliance, but he is lying to himself as well.

 

[b7718]

Opinion of course but if you feel that you feel that way.. nothing I can do to change that but like I said you're taking this off topic since the whole point was about Obito and Rin how he became a villain and the factors that played into it. People have the wrong idea of Obito and this thread was to make them see things they didn't take any consideration into.

Anyways if you believe his character was executed poorly would you mind telling me how? I'm curious.

Yes, it's off your typical Obito bashing track, but it's relevant to the discussion, and part of the gripe with his character altogether.

I'm very busy over the next few days, but I'll try to find the time. If you enjoy writing stories yourself and you're interested in the art of story structure and character development one of the first books I read on the subject is "The hero's journey" by Joseph Campbell.

If you find Campbell interesting, Bill Moyers interviewed him about how mythology was relevant to our lives in today’s society. These interviews became a 6-part series for TV called “The Power of Myth”. There was also a PBS (USA) series based on Campbell’s lecture tours called “Mythos”, which is as relevant today as it was when it was shot nearly 30 years ago.

Once you understand why some things "work" and others "don't", you'll experience watching or reading things differently (you're not just appreciating what's written, you're taking notice of the decisions that were made to progress the story and characters as well). That's not to say that you can't deviate from the formula's, it can be very effective, however if not done properly it could unintentionally take away from the story.

Anyway, well talk further about it later, I have to get to work.

 

[SabakuNoGaaraOVZ]

I've read part of your thread and I can see where you're going with this, but the problem that people have with obito's background story is that its just nowhere near as good as his fellow uchihas; itachi/sasuke/madara..
In fact.. its one of the worst so far... so rin was the trigger to make him realize that the ninja system is f*cked up? Sasuke just came to the same conclusion, look at his reasons and compare them..

 

[Murasame]

This thread isn't going to make people like Obito. You're just making it worse.

Wasn't the point if you read the whole OP. Anyways whether they dislike/like Obito is their opinion.. I'm merely trying to make them take things into consideration that they didn't know about or were mistaken about.

Some of the worst things have been done with the best intentions. It's the same argument that Nagato was using when he moved to destroy Konoha. Obito may be wanting to erase the pain and sorrow that people feel when they lose someone but he is going about it the wrong way. Tell me how taking away the free will of a person works out for the best? Simple answer is that it DOESN'T. Infinite Tsukuyomi is merely an illusion meant to give Madara (and Obito perhaps) complete control over humanity. Obito is trying to say that he is doing this for the betterment of humanity when in actuality he just wants his own pain to disappear. That is why I dislike Obito's character now. He is not only lying to the Alliance, but he is lying to himself as well.

@bold irrelevant this isn't me trying to justify his actions or what not.. so I don't know why you bother saying that.
As for the last part of your paragraph that isn't in bold mind showing me proof that backs up your claims? Because if that was true why'd he try to get Naruto and Kakashi to join him to leave their pain and sorrow?

I've read part of your thread and I can see where you're going with this, but the problem that people have with obito's background story is that its just nowhere near as good as his fellow uchihas; itachi/sasuke/madara..
In fact.. its one of the worst so far... so rin was the trigger to make him realize that the ninja system is f*cked up? Sasuke just came to the same conclusion, look at his reasons and compare them..

Two completely different situations... Sasuke didn't murder people in cold blood when he witnessed his people dying.. he didn't have someone like Madara manipulate him from the get go taking advantage of his state and mind. Again this is why you should read the thread before posting comments that waste my time explaining them when they're in the OP.
Anyways mind telling me how the other ones are better?

 

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[Murasame]

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Ha you're funny :| But who's the one who looked this image up.. you sicko.

 

[b7718]

Originally Posted by Biju Naruto

Anyways if you believe his character was executed poorly would you mind telling me how? I'm curious.

I've read part of your thread and I can see where you're going with this, but the problem that people have with obito's background story is that its just nowhere near as good as his fellow uchihas; itachi/sasuke/madara..
In fact.. its one of the worst so far... so rin was the trigger to make him realize that the ninja system is f*cked up? Sasuke just came to the same conclusion, look at his reasons and compare them..

That is an excellent example to further explain. We've seen Sasuke's/Itachi's/ and Madera's (though his version of events are still on the way) internal struggle with decisions they've made or decisions they’re contemplating.

Obito was crushed by boulders, met Madera, and Rin died. Bing, Bang, Boom. - He's a bad guy that wants to put an end to the world as we know it.

Had Kishi spent a few chapters with Obito grappling with himself once Madera passed away (questioning his judgement and the path he was about to take) prior to his attack on the Village with Minato, it would have resinated with us on a much deeper level.

Madara was dead, he could’ve left and dedicated the rest of his life to doing anything, however he made the choice to go through with ending this world in favor of a new one (If that's even still the plan).

Now these are few ideas off the top of my head that I thew together, but here's some examples of how Kishi could've tugged on our emotions (I'll write more later):

- Obito knew exactly when he "needed" to attack the village - It's literally a ticking clock scenario (classic tension builder)

- Have him mentally grappling with horrendous acts that he knows he has to commit.

- There's no doubt he knew that he had to face Minato, a man he deeply respected, and that he probably viewed as a second father, show that troubling him.

- Minato's no push over either, his skills were revered throughout the ninja world, maybe show him training to fight against him physically and mentally.

- To release Kurama, he knew that he would have to kill Kushina (who I'm certain he's met and spent time with in the past). Have him recall the first time he was introduced to her. Show her smiling, and laughing with Minato, Rin, and Kakashi. Let those memories eat him up from the inside out - But SHOW IT.

- We know Zetsu was around, show Obito watching the village and his friends from afar, have him poke up from the ground to offer up some words of "wisdom" to egg him on.

- Maybe have Obito's conviction to go through with the plan begin to falter and Boom!

- Blind side him again. Have him on the verge of returning back to the village, and set in motion another trigger to push him over the edge and proceed forward with the attack. (Have Zetsu be responsible for setting whatever it is in motion to spur him on).

I'm certain another flashback is on the way soon to correct that, but it missed its mark, we'll get the information, but it'll most likely be more about his decision to deviate from Madara's original plan, and reveal his own (it won't have the same emotional impact, but there was room for both).

I’ll come back to this in a bit, my lunch break is over.

 

[Murasame]

That is an excellent example to further explain. We've seen Sasuke's/Itachi's/ and Madera's (though his version of events are still on the way) internal struggle with decisions they've made or decisions they’re contemplating.

Obito was crushed by boulders, met Madera, and Rin died. Bing, Bang, Boom. - He's a bad guy that wants to put an end to the world as we know it.

Had Kishi spent a few chapters with Obito grappling with himself once Madera passed away (questioning his judgement and the path he was about to take) prior to his attack on the Village with Minato, it would have resinated with us on a much deeper level.

Madara was dead, he could’ve left and dedicated the rest of his life to doing anything, however he made the choice to go through with ending this world in favor of a new one (If that's even still the plan).

Now these are few ideas off the top of my head that I thew together, but here's some examples of how Kishi could've tugged on our emotions (I'll write more later):

- Obito knew exactly when he "needed" to attack the village - It's literally a ticking clock scenario (classic tension builder)

- Have him mentally grappling with horrendous acts that he knows he has to commit.

- There's no doubt he knew that he had to face Minato, a man he deeply respected, and that he probably viewed as a second father, show that troubling him.

- Minato's no push over either, his skills were revered throughout the ninja world, maybe show him training to fight against him physically and mentally.

- To release Kurama, he knew that he would have to kill Kushina (who I'm certain he's met and spent time with in the past). Have him recall the first time he was introduced to her. Show her smiling, and laughing with Minato, Rin, and Kakashi. Let those memories eat him up from the inside out - But SHOW IT.

- We know Zetsu was around, show Obito watching the village and his friends from afar, have him poke up from the ground to offer up some words of "wisdom" to egg him on.

- Maybe have Obito's conviction to go through with the plan begin to falter and Boom!

- Blind side him again. Have him on the verge of returning back to the village, and set in motion another trigger to push him over the edge and proceed forward with the attack. (Have Zetsu be responsible for setting whatever it is in motion to spur him on).

I'm certain another flashback is on the way soon to correct that, but it missed its mark, we'll get the information, but it'll most likely be more about his decision to deviate from Madara's original plan, and reveal his own (it won't have the same emotional impact, but there was room for both).

I’ll come back to this in a bit, my lunch break is over.

Already countered his post.

 

[SabakuNoGaaraOVZ]

Two completely different situations... Sasuke didn't murder people in cold blood when he witnessed his people dying.. he didn't have someone like Madara manipulate him from the get go taking advantage of his state and mind. Again this is why you should read the thread before posting comments that waste my time explaining them when they're in the OP.
Anyways mind telling me how the other ones are better?

I've read the thread now. Didn't really make a difference though, because you didnt write anything I didnt know. But Im not saying Obito's reasons are not understandable or not (ethically) correct, or less correct than the other uchihas or anything like that. I know he got manipulated, saw his friend kill the girl while sasuke made his own choices, but thats not the point Im trying to make. My point is, that Obito's background story as a whole, is just not interesting.

Madara's story; He loses his brothers and his clan lost a war and then when they make peace, he finds out that theres no real peace for his clan, and when he tells them that, they wont believe him

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Read the chapter, I cant tell it better than kishi did in this chapter.

Itachi's story; He loves his village and his family but the clan is planning a coup and the village wants to kill the clan. Danzo manipulates him and makes him kill his family. He could only bear the burden if he was allowed to spare his little brother. After he served the village, the whole village treats him as a criminal and he has to live a lonely life and finally gets killed by his brother, the person he likes the most.

Sasuke' story; His brother killed his whole family, he dedicates his whole life to killing him for revenge and then he finds out the village caused him to kill his last family member

And then Obito; the girl he loved (when he was 13) got killed by his best friend, he also found out that that girl was being used as a weapon (jinnchuriki) and actually realized that innocent people are dying for selfish reasons of the strong. Thats it.

His story is not sad or more special etc.
I didnt think it would be debatable that Obito's story is less interesting, I mean.. If you really think you can compare his story with these other guys, we might as well add sakura's story; an insecure girl that got bullied and then ino came and made her more confident.

 

[Murasame]

I've read the thread now. Didn't really make a difference though, because you didnt write anything I didnt know. But Im not saying Obito's reasons are not understandable or not (ethically) correct, or less correct than the other uchihas or anything like that. I know he got manipulated, saw his friend kill the girl while sasuke made his own choices, but thats not the point Im trying to make. My point is, that Obito's background story as a whole, is just not interesting.

Madara's story; He loses his brothers and his clan lost a war and then when they make peace, he finds out that theres no real peace for his clan, and when he tells them that, they wont believe him

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Read the chapter, I cant tell it better than kishi did in this chapter.

Itachi's story; He loves his village and his family but the clan is planning a coup and the village wants to kill the clan. Danzo manipulates him and makes him kill his family. He could only bear the burden if he was allowed to spare his little brother. After he served the village, the whole village treats him as a criminal and he has to live a lonely life and finally gets killed by his brother, the person he likes the most.

Sasuke' story; His brother killed his whole family, he dedicates his whole life to killing him for revenge and then he finds out the village caused him to kill his last family member

And then Obito; the girl he loved (when he was 13) got killed by his best friend, he also found out that that girl was being used as a weapon (jinnchuriki) and actually realized that innocent people are dying for selfish reasons of the strong. Thats it.

His story is not sad or more special etc.
I didnt think it would be debatable that Obito's story is less interesting, I mean.. If you really think you can compare his story with these other guys, we might as well add sakura's story; an insecure girl that got bullied and then ino came and made her more confident.

Lmao don't freaking make me laugh with the last part.. I'm not going to bother elaborating on that because anyone who isn't an idiot wouldn't use that comparison.

"And then Obito; the girl he loved (when he was 13) got killed by his best friend, he also found out that that girl was being used as a weapon (jinnchuriki) and actually realized that innocent people are dying for selfish reasons of the strong. Thats it."

Yeah and and also the person who Madara passes his mission to.. the one who manipulates Nagato and tells him what to do with the akatsuki. The one who caused the main character's parents to die. Obito is the anti naruto of the series. He was basically Naruto before he went through ordeal.. his story shows how Naruto would've been had he not met Iruka, Kakashi, Sasuke, Sakura, etc.

I'll admit that Itachi's story is far better than Obito's and for Sasuke's and Madara's imo are the same for me.

 

[b7718]

Already countered his post.

You're clearly not ready to have this discussion.

 

[Murasame]

You're clearly not ready to have this discussion.

Alright fine I'll counter your damn post.. sheesh I'm just wasting my time with this.

That is an excellent example to further explain. We've seen Sasuke's/Itachi's/ and Madera's (though his version of events are still on the way) internal struggle with decisions they've made or decisions they’re contemplating.

Me:Well we didn't know Tobi was Obito majority of the show correct? So tell me how are we going to get connected to Obito the same as we did with Itachi and Sasuke in suhc a short time? They both had plenty of time for development and whatnot. He is the same as Madara.. his events are still ongoing so please stop with your nonsense.

Obito was crushed by boulders, met Madera, and Rin died. Bing, Bang, Boom. - He's a bad guy that wants to put an end to the world as we know it.
Me:Again you you're thinking on the simple side there's more to it so please don't make repeat myself.. I explained this multiple times.

Had Kishi spent a few chapters with Obito grappling with himself once Madera passed away (questioning his judgement and the path he was about to take) prior to his attack on the Village with Minato, it would have resinated with us on a much deeper level.

Me:Not really because some people would complain about it and say "is he even a true villan" or "he might get talk no jutsu'd in the future".. we get that now just imagine it if we saw Obito having doubts about being a villain.. see where I'm going? No matter what there is going to be people who complain about the character.. there would be some guy like you doubting whether he is a villain or not and then there would be a guy like me trying to prove he is.. do you see it? No matter what there is going to be two sides arguing about it no matter how you paint it. Now to counter this yet again I have to repeat myself.. Obito had just seen his best friend kill his love interest at the time who was being used by another village for their personal gain.. the ones who are responsible for it are there. Being an Uchiha who are highly emotional he attacks and kills them in cold blood.. you think after murdering that many people that someone especially an Uchiha are going to be the same sane person again.. that's doubtful my friend not to mention he was manipulated by Madara into creating an ideal world for both of them by then he was brainwashed so why would he doubt his actions? That wouldn't make sense at all.

Madara was dead, he could’ve left and dedicated the rest of his life to doing anything, however he made the choice to go through with ending this world in favor of a new one (If that's even still the plan).
Read above Anyways whats makes you doubt that its not his plan anymore?

Now these are few ideas off the top of my head that I thew together, but here's some examples of how Kishi could've tugged on our emotions (I'll write more later):

- Obito knew exactly when he "needed" to attack the village - It's literally a ticking clock scenario (classic tension builder)

- Have him mentally grappling with horrendous acts that he knows he has to commit.
Me:He was brainwashed already and was intent on pursuing his goal now.. why would he do that?

- There's no doubt he knew that he had to face Minato, a man he deeply respected, and that he probably viewed as a second father, show that troubling him.
Me:As Obito stated he didn't care about this reality so why?

- Minato's no push over either, his skills were revered throughout the ninja world, maybe show him training to fight against him physically and mentally.
Me:I can maybe agree on this one but train how? Madara already taught him what was necessary.. besides we don't need to see every detail of what he did.. we didn't see Sasuke train much during the timeskip no? People would complain about it too and it would prolong the manga when Kishi intends to finish it soon. We did see Obito train a little during the flashback with Madara and that is all we need. Even a mention could be suffice.. if we go the way you're going this manga would take along time to finish.

- To release Kurama, he knew that he would have to kill Kushina (who I'm certain he's met and spent time with in the past). Have him recall the first time he was introduced to her. Show her smiling, and laughing with Minato, Rin, and Kakashi. Let those memories eat him up from the inside out - But SHOW IT.
Me:I haven't recalled Obito meeting Kushina or recall any reference that they did so this would seem far fetched but if they did then yeah you could have a point but then again recall what I said above.

- We know Zetsu was around, show Obito watching the village and his friends from afar, have him poke up from the ground to offer up some words of "wisdom" to egg him on.
Me:I can agree with this

- Maybe have Obito's conviction to go through with the plan begin to falter and Boom!
Meeople would complain so much about that because they want a villain who isn't what they refer to "talk no jutsu'd" they want a villain who won't fall to the hero's words.. people would still be complaining about it

- Blind side him again. Have him on the verge of returning back to the village, and set in motion another trigger to push him over the edge and proceed forward with the attack. (Have Zetsu be responsible for setting whatever it is in motion to spur him on).
Me:I can agree to an extent with this one

I'm certain another flashback is on the way soon to correct that, but it missed its mark, we'll get the information, but it'll most likely be more about his decision to deviate from Madara's original plan, and reveal his own (it won't have the same emotional impact, but there was room for both).
Me:We'll have to wait and see because like Madara his story is not completed.

Alright now that I'm done with countering your posts do you see what I mean? It's a matter of opinion yours isn't the best. No matter how you want it to be there is going to be people like us debating over what they do or don't like. Well this wasn't even the topic of my thread but I guess I asked for it. This isn't about a competition of who has the best backstory.

 

[b7718]

I've read the thread now. Didn't really make a difference though, because you didnt write anything I didnt know. But Im not saying Obito's reasons are not understandable or not (ethically) correct, or less correct than the other uchihas or anything like that. I know he got manipulated, saw his friend kill the girl while sasuke made his own choices, but thats not the point Im trying to make. My point is, that Obito's background story as a whole, is just not interesting.

He disagrees, and you're wrong, that's all that matters to him.

This thread is here so like-minded individuals can agree with him, not to discuss the reasons why those who believe otherwise don't.

 

[b7718]

Alright fine I'll counter your damn post.. sheesh I'm just wasting my time with this.

I'd go that extra mile with your next post if you'd like to continue this discussion, cause my bags are packed, and my foot's already out the door.

 

[Murasame]

He disagrees, and you're wrong, that's all that matters to him.

This thread is here so like-minded individuals can agree with him, not to discuss the reasons why those who believe otherwise don't.

I'd go that extra mile with your next post if you'd like to continue this discussion, cause my bags are packed, and my foot's already out the door.

This guy.. I'm facepalming at your words really Lol now read my edited post.

 

[Bijuu Bomber]

This guy.. I'm facepalming at your words really Lol now read my edited post.

Bro...it's time for the analogy..

 

[Westside]

Obito is the man.

Fodderizing kages like its nothing.

Only thing i dont like that he is still thinking about rin.

 

[SabakuNoGaaraOVZ]

Lmao don't freaking make me laugh with the last part.. I'm not going to bother elaborating on that because anyone who isn't an idiot wouldn't use that comparison.

"And then Obito; the girl he loved (when he was 13) got killed by his best friend, he also found out that that girl was being used as a weapon (jinnchuriki) and actually realized that innocent people are dying for selfish reasons of the strong. Thats it."

Yeah and and also the person who Madara passes his mission to.. the one who manipulates Nagato and tells him what to do with the akatsuki. The one who caused the main character's parents to die. Obito is the anti naruto of the series. He was basically Naruto before he went through ordeal.. his story shows how Naruto would've been had he not met Iruka, Kakashi, Sasuke, Sakura, etc.

I'll admit that Itachi's story is far better than Obito's and for Sasuke's and Madara's imo are the same for me.

Really? You just couldnt understand that the last part of my comment was meant to show you that obito's story sucks?
And then call me an idiot while you're the one that actually thinks that I find sakura's background story interesting?

You know what, lets just skip that. For the bold; This is what Obito is doing now. This is not his background story. This is the result of his background story. His background story is the rin + manipulation by madara part (and that SUCKED, although his actions in the past 16 years were all boss moves). The manipulation part wasnt that special either, cus that was an extreme coincidence that madara happened to be the one saving him (making the story suck even more)
italic; this makes madara a boss, not obito. and again, it wasnt interesting that he got manipulated.

furthermore, you think obito's story is better than sasuke's? how?

as for madara; read chapter 625, if you still find obito's story more interesting than madara's after that then im outta here.

He disagrees, and you're wrong, that's all that matters to him.

This thread is here so like-minded individuals can agree with him, not to discuss the reasons why those who believe otherwise don't.

Lol Im starting to get the feeling that its like that on about every thread..
I mean, im not even attacking him. imo obito is a boss for the bossmoves hes making now, but i just cant deny that that rin shinobi system is pure bs.