For those who approve of Tobirama

[Smd]

Ok, i guess this was bound to happen, after countless thread about how tobirama was justfyed and madara was wrong.

Reasons why tobirama should be blamed

-madara gave up hope completly on peace, because of him
- Caused The Uchiha Clan to turn there backs on Madara
- Caused the eventual extermination of the Uchiha's
- Caused This Current War
- Alienated the Uchiha from the village

Who Knows what would have happened,it tobirama would have just kept his big mouth closed.
but here is what could have happened.


-Madara became Hokage, like hashirama wished
-The Uchiha clan would have trusted Madara More
- Uchiha and Senju could have made a new breed
-No Obito
-No Fourth War
- No Killing of uchiha
- no Uchiha used kurma to get revenge on the village, killing alot of people

the list goes on. this is why im pissed at tobirama, this is why he doesnt desever to be praised.

Now this being said. I dont really think Madara is at fault, if you look at his history.

He isnt to trusting of the senju to begin with because of the murder/deaths of his brothers.

Nor his own brothers [uchiha clan] who seem to not respect him anymore, and seem to hop on the senju nuts after the peace treaty.

I just cant believe that there was a time and point when there was about to be true peace, or the closes thing to it.

But tobirama and his actions/words/ theorys screwed those chances.

 

[Brd17]

How dare he not want a crazy man as hokage

 

[Twin Steps]

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[FireBird Marco]

Why should Madara become a Hokage when he's weaker than Tobirama?

 

[Smd]

How dare he not want a crazy man as hokage

if he was so crazy why did he stop hashirama from killing himself.

instead of his own brother?

 

[Simple Math]

you just proved why we all should thank Tobirama, if he didn't do all that... the manga would be so boring


-No Obito
-No Fourth War
- No Killing of uchiha
- no Uchiha used kurma to get revenge on the village, killing alot of people

 

[-Raviel-]

It's true Tobirama is to be blamed but only partially......it was still Madara's decision that led to all the crap that took place afterwards

 

[true enigma]

Madara said hashi was the only one who can fight on his level. Not the second who died by 15-20 fodders.

 

[Genkaku57]

Tobirama was so great before all this. Now he's the worst, he was an extremist who wanted the Uchiha's extermination which Madara predicted would happen. Curses to Tobirama

 

[Smd]

Why should Madara become a Hokage when he's weaker than Tobirama?

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[true enigma]

Why should Madara become a Hokage when he's weaker than Tobirama?

Most incorrect quote on the page.

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

The Uchiha were their own enemies. If they suffer, they go berserk. They couldn't control their own emotions, not to mention someone else.

Why should Madara become a Hokage when he's weaker than Tobirama?

:| . . . . . . . . . well that sound totally wrong.

 

[Smd]

It's true Tobirama is to be blamed but only partially......it was still Madara's decision that led to all the crap that took place afterwards

agreed but my point is that none of it would have happen if it wast for him.

you just proved why we all should thank Tobirama, if he didn't do all that... the manga would be so boring


-No Obito
-No Fourth War
- No Killing of uchiha
- no Uchiha used kurma to get revenge on the village, killing alot of people

yea.

Madara said hashi was the only one who can fight on his level. Not the second who died by 15-20 fodders.

lol i think you meant to quote that troll who said tobirama>madara

 

[TJ0001]

In my honest opinion yes, Tobirama was the one who made madara finally snap, however ive seen some say that the way he thought about things was right, and i cant help but agree with them.

at the same time, when two formerly opposing sides are trying to come together of course its going to be rough at first, i believe hashirama was trying to convey that things COULD get better. however Tobirama was stubborn towards it and decided that the uchiha could not be trusted (again, for obvious reasons). i just watched a review by Sawyer7mage that kinda leaned in the direction of explaining it a bit.

 

[End of Days]

tobirama is a king, your argument is invalid

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[Smd]

tobirama is a king, your argument is invalid

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i feel like ive seen you somewhere in Nb..

In my honest opinion yes, Tobirama was the one who made madara finally snap, however ive seen some say that the way he thought about things was right, and i cant help but agree with them.

at the same time, when two formerly opposing sides are trying to come together of course its going to be rough at first, i believe hashirama was trying to convey that things COULD get better. however Tobirama was stubborn towards it and decided that the uchiha could not be trusted (again, for obvious reasons). i just watched a review by Sawyer7mage that kinda leaned in the direction of explaining it a bit.

yes yes but hashirama seemed like his dream of them comeing together was there, espically after he wanted him to become hokage.

did you notice how madara started to act like him old self for that breif moment?

Also i think when madara overheard the convo between tobi and hashi, it seem like hashi didnt put up much of a fight for madara.

which could have made madara feel lie hashirama was playing him.

 

[Aertes]

I don't understand why people like to blame other characters for some turning bad...
Madara made his choices as Tobirama did.
Many characters suffered a lot and went through pain but got it together and moved on.If someone can't get over his hate and needs to destroy the whole world to feel better that's his own problem.
Tobirama was a man who took up the shit life served him and tried to do something good for the people of his village.
Madara turned his back on everything and chose hate.Blame is on him only.

 

[Naru2GT]

Ok, i guess this was bound to happen, after countless thread about how tobirama was justfyed and madara was wrong.

Reasons why tobirama should be blamed

-madara gave up hope completly on peace, because of him
- Caused The Uchiha Clan to turn there backs on Madara
- Caused the eventual extermination of the Uchiha's
- Caused This Current War
- Alienated the Uchiha from the village

Who Knows what would have happened,it tobirama would have just kept his big mouth closed.
but here is what could have happened.


-Madara became Hokage, like hashirama wished
-The Uchiha clan would have trusted Madara More
- Uchiha and Senju could have made a new breed
-No Obito
-No Fourth War
- No Killing of uchiha
- no Uchiha used kurma to get revenge on the village, killing alot of people

the list goes on. this is why im pissed at tobirama, this is why he doesnt desever to be praised.

Now this being said. I dont really think Madara is at fault, if you look at his history.

He isnt to trusting of the senju to begin with because of the murder/deaths of his brothers.

Nor his own brothers [uchiha clan] who seem to not respect him anymore, and seem to hop on the senju nuts after the peace treaty.

I just cant believe that there was a time and point when there was about to be true peace, or the closes thing to it.

But tobirama and his actions/words/ theorys screwed those chances.

I think Madara's lack of trust and his intent of power screwed everything. I don't think Madara would not have been a good hokage. He is emotionally compromise.

 

[Onion Soda]

Ok, i guess this was bound to happen, after countless thread about how tobirama was justfyed and madara was wrong.

Reasons why tobirama should be blamed

-madara gave up hope completly on peace, because of him. -His brother said the same things, but you're impliying he just heared Tobirama, not Izuna. How come?
- Caused The Uchiha Clan to turn there backs on Madara -624, they were deffecting before the peace teatry, even Madara said his clan doesn't like him when Hashirama talked about "Youngster who hold you dear"
- Caused the eventual extermination of the Uchiha's It was caused by Danzo, Hiruzen's incompetence, Obito attacking with the fox (when it's a well known fact that aside of Hashi only an Uchiha could control it), Uchiha clan coup d'etat and not listening to Itachi and Shisui nor even really trying to negociate with Hiruzen, Madara attack and Tobirama's police department. See how many variables in play, but you just blame a kage who died at least 20+ years before the massacre
- Caused This Current War -That was Obito, Tobirama had nothing to do with his supposed death nor Rin. Again, who "saved" Obito and lectured him in to becoming a cynical b**ch?? that's right MADARA
- Alienated the Uchiha from the village -He said that he did that in order to make them useful and to prevent another Madara case. The guy is dead, he doesn't care about anyone besides the village, not even himself (unlike Danzo) nor his reputation, if he did that to alienate them he would have say so.

Who Knows what would have happened,it tobirama would have just kept his big mouth closed.
but here is what could have happened.


-Madara became Hokage, like hashirama wished - Not in a million years. Nobody trusted Madara, not even Hashi, that was pure faith from his part. Hashirama was going for a dictatorship if it had fallen in the wrong hands.
-The Uchiha clan would have trusted Madara More -How? Tobirama took no part in what the clan thinked about Madara.
- Uchiha and Senju could have made a new breed WTF?
-No Obito - Obito is only Madara's fault
-No Fourth War - What's the motivation behind this war? oh, that's right "BECAUSE YOU LET RIN DIE!"
-No Killing of uchiha Already disproved
- no Uchiha used kurma to get revenge on the village, killing alot of people Need I to answer?

He isnt to trusting of the senju to begin with because of the murder/deaths of his brothers. -That's him bitching like Sasuke. Both sides lost brothers and relative, both Izuna and Tobirama almost died in that river, yet he only saw "a Senju throwed a kunai to my brother, now I hate them all, even my BFF and lover"

Nor his own brothers [uchiha clan] who seem to not respect him anymore, and seem to hop on the senju nuts after the peace treaty. -That has nothing to do with Tobirama, the fact is that he answered a peace proposal by fighting and that's terrible diplomacy

I just cant believe that there was a time and point when there was about to be true peace, or the closes thing to it.

But tobirama and his actions/words/ theorys screwed those chances. -You know, Madara could have stay and proved everyone wrong about him with example, just like Naruto did, instead he got uber sensitive

"Nice" try dude.

 

[Smd]

"Nice" try dude.

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nice try gurl.