FNJ: Tobirama and Minato

[The One Above All]

Their fusion wouldn't really be that impressive, considering how similar they both are already.

I agree


Maybe a slightly better reflexes and reaction time and rasengan and toads. At the end of the day its like an older minato if they fused together

 

[AlphaScythian]

Tired = Manga
Killed them all = databook

Now go back to your hole, silly little munchkin.

Killed them all? Pretty sure at least Kin Gin bros survived, silly little databook believer

 

[Zealous Sparks]

I'd say the fusion could probably take on Hashi or EMS Madara.

They'd have a much larger chakra pool and could easily master SM to a greater extent, in addition to the ability to fuse with Ma/Pa. With their combined knowledge of seals, the strength of the ET could be increased just as it was with Orochimaru and Kabuto. More chakra would allow them to teleport larger objects, and their skill would allow them to master a Suiton: Rasengan or another elemental Rasengan (Tobirama had all 5 natures in the DB and Minato had 3).

 

[Transcendence]

Well, they are already very similar so fusing them isn't adding much to either of them. But in this case; exceptional intelligence, reflexes and striking speed would make the use of FTG much better. Minato's FTG is better but Tobirama has faster striking speed (marked Obito multiple times whereas Minato attacks slower). Along with summons and Rasengan that's very potent, but what makes this fusion go over the top is the stronger, more vast Senju chakra. The Sage Mode of this fusion is likely sustainable, so I'd put it at or above Nagato's level, right around VOTE Madara.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Ridiculous

No way close to juubi jin level or sasuke and naruto.


Not even better than ems madara without kyuubi or hashirama

Rasengan counter...susano or uchiha return

Toads counter....large scale fire jutsu or any version ofems madara susano's

Intellect...madara is smarter

Suiton counter...large scale fire jutsu which took 100s of SAshinobi to counter with suiton


Ftg counter...maintaining susano....



Fusion countered by ems madara

Hell No.

 

[Xlad]

I really want to neg TOAA this time.

 

[The One Above All]

Madara is wayy more experienced that Juubito, and im not talking about how bad Juubito gets fodderized by Susanoo Kurama

Fail again....


edo madara thanked bsm naruto and ems sasuke from weakening juubito to the point he couldn't resist being forced to use rinne tensei.By thanking them he'ssaying I wouldn't have been able to do that.


Furthermore naruto use tnj to beat obito the kyuubisusano didn't even damage juubito.

Also hashirama who is more powerful than ems madara with kyuubiimmediately announced inferiority to juubito so the manga counters your claim.

 

[Transcendence]

I really want to neg TOAA this time.

Ah don't worry. His posts already do that for him.

 

[YellowFang]

Ridiculous

No way close to juubi jin level or sasuke and naruto.


Not even better than ems madara without kyuubi or hashirama

Rasengan counter...susano or uchiha return

Toads counter....large scale fire jutsu or any version ofems madara susano's

Intellect...madara is smarter

Suiton counter...large scale fire jutsu which took 100s of SAshinobi to counter with suiton


Ftg counter...maintaining susano....



Fusion countered by ems madara

You can't really just evaluate the battle from the comparison of Jutsu-inventory of both characters...
There's a lot more to it than that...

 

[Great Master Minato]

Well, they are already very similar so fusing them isn't adding much to either of them. But in this case; exceptional intelligence, reflexes and striking speed would make the use of FTG much better. Minato's FTG is better but Tobirama has faster striking speed (marked Obito multiple times whereas Minato attacks slower). Along with summons and Rasengan that's very potent, but what makes this fusion go over the top is the stronger, more vast Senju chakra. The Sage Mode of this fusion is likely sustainable, so I'd put it at or above Nagato's level, right around VOTE Madara.

This Is Getting Old...Seriously If Tobirama Was Fast Enough To Tag Juubito Multiple Times Then He Should Be Able To Atleast Land A Blow On A Slower Opponent (SM Madara) But He Failed.
Plus DB Clearly Put Minato Above Tobirama In Speed Department. (DB Hyped Minato Way Too Much For Tobirama To Be Faster Than Him In This Category).
Aside From That Do You Really Think Tobirama Can Strike Faster Than KCM Minato?

 

[Xlad]

Ah don't worry. His posts already do that for him.

Lol Still.

 

[The One Above All]

I'd say the fusion could probably take on Hashi or EMS Madara.

They'd have a much larger chakra pool and could easily master SM to a greater extent, in addition to the ability to fuse with Ma/Pa. With their combined knowledge of seals, the strength of the ET could be increased just as it was with Orochimaru and Kabuto. More chakra would allow them to teleport larger objects, and their skill would allow them to master a Suiton: Rasengan or another elemental Rasengan (Tobirama had all 5 natures in the DB and Minato had 3).

You overhyped them.

First off more chakra doesn't mean mastery of senjutsu they would still have to train to mastersenjutsu.

Just because tobirama is senju doesn't mean bettermastery overET. Kabuto mastered it by using different seals than orochimaru . Orochimaru mastered it by using hashirama dna...hashirama dna is not the same astobirama...nobody ever wanted tobirama dna for any reason it was alwayshashirama dna because he is asura transmigrant.


It takes time tomix elements into rasengan.



Also tobirama nor minato are known for all the elements they can use because even though they can use them they haven't because their skill with them isn't great.

 

[Transcendence]

This Is Getting Old...Seriously If Tobirama Was Fast Enough To Tag Juubito Multiple Times Then He Should Be Able To Atleast Land A Blow On A Slower Opponent (SM Madara) But He Failed.
Plus DB Clearly Put Minato Above Tobirama In Speed Department. (DB Hyped Minato Way Too Much For Tobirama To Be Faster Than Him In This Category).
Aside From That Do You Really Think Tobirama Can Strike Faster Than KCM Minato?

Speed and striking speed are two different things. Minato has more efficient FTG and better Shunshin so he's FASTER, but the manga already stipulated his striking speed is slower. Tobirama marked Obito as a Jin multiple times when Minato and him were fighting with Naruto and Sasuke against him, whereas Minato wasn't able to. Likewise, with Minato's reflexes enhanced via Sage Mode, he still wasn't able to land a hit on Madara who reacted to his STRIKING speed. Tobirama failed yes, but that's against someone with the second best Senjutsu next to Rikudou Senjutsu (using Hashirama's Sage Mode). We aren't talking about KCM or BM Minato who are clearly on another tier. This is a theoretical fusion of the alive forms and taking their best traits.

 

[The One Above All]

Well, they are already very similar so fusing them isn't adding much to either of them. But in this case; exceptional intelligence, reflexes and striking speed would make the use of FTG much better. Minato's FTG is better but Tobirama has faster striking speed (marked Obito multiple times whereas Minato attacks slower). Along with summons and Rasengan that's very potent, but what makes this fusion go over the top is the stronger, more vast Senju chakra. The Sage Mode of this fusion is likely sustainable, so I'd put it at or above Nagato's level, right around VOTE Madara.

They wouldn't be able to beat nagato mainly because the jutsu they use.

Ftg is useless vs nagato because of his preta path barrier absorbs chakra before your jutsu can evenget to him so whatever jutsu they use with ftg is useless.

Toads getwrecked by rinne summons and 3 giant toads couldn't even beat the rinne dog alone.


Also they can't destroy ct

They would be ems sasuke and bsm naruto level

 

[Transcendence]

They wouldn't be able to beat nagato mainly because the jutsu they use.

Ftg is useless vs nagato because of his preta path barrier absorbs chakra before your jutsu can evenget to him so whatever jutsu they use with ftg is useless.

Toads getwrecked by rinne summons and 3 giant toads couldn't even beat the rinne dog alone.


Also they can't destroy ct

They would be ems sasuke and bsm naruto level

EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto are above Nagato though...

It isn't just toads. Suidanha slices apart any summon bar the multiplying dog and the Toads can manhandle it long enough for this fusion to beat down Nagato. Nagato isn't reacting to FTG let alone a fusion of someone who has some of the best striking speed in the manga who can tag a Juubi Jin.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Speed and striking speed are two different things. Minato has more efficient FTG and better Shunshin so he's FASTER, but the manga already stipulated his striking speed is slower. Tobirama marked Obito as a Jin multiple times when Minato and him were fighting with Naruto and Sasuke against him, whereas Minato wasn't able to. Likewise, with Minato's reflexes enhanced via Sage Mode, he still wasn't able to land a hit on Madara who reacted to his STRIKING speed. Tobirama failed yes, but that's against someone with the second best Senjutsu next to Rikudou Senjutsu (using Hashirama's Sage Mode). We aren't talking about KCM or BM Minato who are clearly on another tier. This is a theoretical fusion of the alive forms and taking their best traits.

For The First Part...
Tobirama Reacted To Juubito & Tagged Him Multiple Times Is BS!
The Explosive Tags Attached To Him When He Ripped Half Of Tobirama's Body & Passed Through It,As Its Impossible To Attach Them With Hand Due To Their Position One Was On Obito's Leg

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...Did Tobirama Crouch To Attach That One?
Tobirama Tagged Him 1 Time & Even That Was After He Got Hit.
The FTG Mark Was On Juubito's Right Armpit As You Can See

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,So According To Their Position

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I Believe Tobirama Tagged Him With His Left Hand After The Right Side Of His Body Was Ripped Off.

& For The Second Part...
For God's Sake Don't Compare JJ Madara To SM Madara U_U

Minato Faced Stronger & Faster Opponents Each Time So There's No Comparison.

 

[The One Above All]

Hell No.

after his fight with hashi he planned almost 100 years ahead.


Hemanipulated his sharingan izanagi to revive him after his deathvs hashi...making tobirama look like a fool trying todo experiments on madaras body but it was actually a clone

his name started the 4th world war...smart enough to know the world feared him


Countered edo tensei

Knew minato like to attack from behind using ftgslash which is why madara countered it.


Knew how to use kamui upon his first use of it

 

[Zealous Sparks]

You overhyped them.

First off more chakra doesn't mean mastery of senjutsu they would still have to train to mastersenjutsu.

Minato already trained in senjutsu. He can balance the chakra perfectly as shown by his eyes when in SM, but could only absorb enough natural energy to stay in the mode for a short while. Adding in Tobirama's sizeable chakra reserves and Senju body will mediate that problem.

Just because tobirama is senju doesn't mean bettermastery overET. Kabuto mastered it by using different seals than orochimaru . Orochimaru mastered it by using hashirama dna...hashirama dna is not the same astobirama...nobody ever wanted tobirama dna for any reason it was alwayshashirama dna because he is asura transmigrant.

I didn't mention Senju DNA, at all. I stated that with Minato's knowledge of Uzumaki seals, in addition to Tobirama's own, they would be able to better the technique than Tobirama by himself.

It takes time tomix elements into rasengan.

Yes, it does, but fusing together would combine both their knowledge bases; that includes both Tobirama and Minato's experience.

Also tobirama nor minato are known for all the elements they can use because even though they can use them they haven't because their skill with them isn't great.

Minato attempted to add an element to the Rasengan, so with their combined skills (both are extremely intelligent and talented) they should be able to execute the technique. Naruto has never shown any Fuuton skills outside of adding it to the Rasengan, yet he can do the FRS.

 

[KidGamer65]

Fusion is near pointless. Adding their speed together won't do much. They'll be much faster on foot and in terms of reactions, but they were already fast enough to beat the people they normally beat, and this speed boost isn't going to let them beat the people that they normally lose to individually.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Minato + Itachi fusion is a much better fan combination. Now there's a frightening opponent.

Fusing Tobirama and Minato isn't really that big of a upgrade, they're almost the same when it comes to their primary fighting style.

Tobirama + Gengetsu now we're talking. With this, I can officially call Tobirama the greatest water style user.