Five Hokages vs 8 Gates Gai

[KeyofDestiny]

You have to be joking. I suggest you stop with the scaling arguments, because it's clear you have no idea what you are doing here.

You didn't even bother to understand what I'm trying to compare here. You said this

Not even once I was trying to measure the distance between SS and the forest. I was talking about the distance between that forest with the sea.

Which is still something

Now for the fourth time, show me another forest in that same area, just like you previously said

I said that they are all over, so picking a single forest from a different perspective just because it appears to be in the same spot relative to the size of the manga scan (and not the actual images in the scan like anyone with half a brain would look at for reference when scaling) isn't proof. That simple.

Show me.

Show you what? The same shit I've showed you 3 times now?

Where are you getting this from? This isn't some 2-D game that doesn't show us the scale of things.Those mountains you pointed out aren't in front of SS, they're to its side. So the way they're drawn in those scans show that they're the same size as SS's main body. But if we bring the angle those scans are shown to us, and bring it down to the ground level, the mountains reach SS's knee.

To it's knees? Then that ends your point right there, because if the Mountains only came up to SS's knees, there'd be no way that your scaling would make a shred of sense, because once again:

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These Mountains are dots, so why would SS be anywhere as large as what you are claiming it'd be in that panel? Learn how to scale. You won't sound as foolish.

There is also PS next to mountains

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And there is Mokujin, although a bit smaller than PS, sitting on top of SS's head.

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SS dwarfs the **** out of those mountains.

Wrong. Literally just explained this to Haizaki on the 4th page.

And no. Not only is that Mokujin far smaller than the one he called in the beginning of the battle, it's nowhere near what was used as an Edo.

-Boss summons are the size of Bijuu.
-Boss summons to Myojinmon and Juubi clones. [X]
-Myojinmon to Mokujin. [X]
-Same Juubi clones from above to Mokujin. [X]

Full Kurama is not so much larger than Half Kurama that it'd rival PS or Mokujin at it's strongest in size.

I've literally shown you everything on this matter.

You've shown me nothing but your incompetence.

SS's height scaling compared to the forest behind it

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A zoomed out scan

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Now let me break it down for you since you're that slow

This has been addressed over and over and over again. I can literally copy and paste info from my first post to answer the rest of your posts since all you can and know how to do is repeat defeated points.

-Mountains compared to Shinsuusenju.

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-Mountains compared to the explosion.

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Your comparison makes zero sense. Please tell me how Shinsuusenju rises to the point of the explosion that you show in this pic, when the Mountains are dwarfed by explosion? The same Mountains that are larger than PS Kyuubi and the same size as Shinsuusenju's main body? Your comparison boils down to the fact that the explosion and SS are both next to see, so they must be around the same size. :lol. Terrible terrible logic.

In the first scan you see the forest being not that far from the sea. And then you see SS's height compared to the forest.

Ok.

In the second scan, you see the same forest. The picture is zoomed out, so we're going to make SS a bit smaller, just like the distance between the sea and the forest in both scans shrank, because of the zooming out. Now where will most likely be in the explosion, and how high it is in it? It most likely comes goes something like this

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You can also see the clouds in both of these scans.

The striked out part is a part you have no proof for. The rest is something I've addressed multiple times, and every time I address it you play the fool and ignore it. Please stop wasting my time.

Summary
_The second scan isn't as zoomed out as much
_The forest in both scans is close to the sea
_SS is half that explosion

There is your answer

The bold is false, and I've shown why it's false. Many times now. If it wasn't "zoomed out as much" or "just a bit" like you claim, then the Mountains wouldn't go from looking like this:

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To this:

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How you are only reducing SS's height by a little bit when the perspective difference between both scans is far beyond "half"? How can you not realize how little sense you make here? It's mind boggling.

You keep saying that the forest circled in 621 is the same circled in 626 while blatantly ignoring the massive difference in zoom (perspective) in both scans. If the "camera" (we'll just call it that) is zoomed out, then ALL objects decrease in size at an EQUAL scale. [

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] Your 621 forest being close to that area of the sea and Madara and Hashirama's battle shows that it can't be seen on the panel of 626 because it is zoomed out. I feel like I'm talking to some daft kid.

1. Kyuubi is smaller than those Mountains.

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SS sitting down compared to a Mountain. [

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2. As we can clearly see here, the size of the Mountains have drastically decreased due to the zoom changing.
3. When you zoom out on a camera, your PC screen, or anything the size of ALL objects decreases at an EQUAL scale. Thus the size of PS relative to the Mountains remains the same. Thus the size of SS relative to the Mountains stays the same.

This is where the problem sets in. You are claiming that SS and Kyuubi are this size compared to the Mountains.

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But that is impossible, because of points 1-3. You'd either have to be a troll or an illiterate to deny this. Do me a favor and stop ignoring my posts and asking your own irrelevant questions, and start answering these points, cause when you do, you will realize that you don't make sense. In fact, this section right here is all I will post henceforth if you don't bother to answer it.

Yes, you're right there is a center, but it would be here

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What you're saying implies that they're throwing their attacks in that spot. Which would hit SS's main body, but here is no damage here that we can see

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Which is right in their general area, thus they receive the brunt of the explosion, thus you have no point. It has no damage because it's arms were destroyed in place of it's main body, because they are that strong.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

EE is still a normal punch. It's just his fastest punch.

Except it's not. It's a jutsu using a punch. Doesn't make it the 8th Gate's normal punch. Are you going to claim Hirudora=7G Gai's normal punch, just because it's his fastest punch? No, obviously not. Logic and Manga show that this line of thinking makes no sense.

Evening Elephant beat the shit out of the guy who tanked a Rikudou Enhanced Yoton RasenShuriken from Rikudou Naruto. Do you think PS can tank a hit that obliterated the Shinju?

Are you actually claiming that Evening Elephant>YRS? I really hope that you aren't. Cause Evening Elephant after 5 rounds only made Madara cough up some blood, while YRS blew out his torso. It's clear which one is far stronger.

 

[NarutoX28]

Are you actually claiming that Evening Elephant>YRS? I really hope that you aren't. Cause Evening Elephant after 5 rounds only made Madara cough up some blood, while YRS blew out his torso. It's clear which one is far stronger.

Yet he never conceded to Yoton RasenShuriken being able to kill him whereas he mentioned that he would've died against Gai's Onslaught and that's including Juubidara's protection from his Gudodama whereas he had no such thing against Naruto's Yoton RasenShuriken.

EE didn't just cause Juubidara to cough up blood, it injured him to the point where he admitted he could've died whereas he did no such thing in response to Naruto's YRS.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Yet he never conceded to Yoton RasenShuriken being able to kill him whereas he mentioned that he would've died against Gai's Onslaught and that's including Juubidara's protection from his Gudodama whereas he had no such thing against Naruto's Yoton RasenShuriken.

EE didn't just cause Juubidara to cough up blood, it injured him to the point where he admitted he could've died whereas he did no such thing in response to Naruto's YRS.

Irrelevant because:

1. He never said Evening Elephant can kill him. He outright stated that "isn't isn't enough".
2. Where is the bold even coming from?
3. The rest is the same false claim. Night Guy is what almost killed him. Not Evening Elephant.

 

[Rιver]

@KG: Btw I was going to post an argument, but since you agreed on the outcome anyway (NG destroys PS) I'm not going to take it any further. Also I drop that Kurama, BM Naruto Bijuu Dama point but I still believe NG is stronger than 12 Bijuu Dama. You got any proof to believe otherwise?

 

[KeyofDestiny]

@KG: Btw I was going to post an argument, but since you agreed on the outcome anyway (NG destroys PS) I'm not going to take it any further. Also I drop that Kurama, BM Naruto Bijuu Dama point but I still believe NG is stronger than 12 Bijuu Dama. You got any proof to believe otherwise?

It's amazing that once again, you ask me this question, even though I've provided my evidence 2x now.

 

[Rιver]

It's amazing that once again, you ask me this question, even though I've provided my evidence 2x now.

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Ok.

 

[Apêx1]

It being wood is not evidence that any Rasen Shuriken can tear apart Mokuton.

Ok

So basically you are basing your evidence on nothing? Cause that's all I read here.

-PS being tough is irrelevant because we not talking about PS, we are talking about it's blade.
-It being made of Fuuton Chakra and being smaller is evidence is more penetrative? :lol, no. That makes zero sense. I can go find any jutsu that fits that criteria, and by your logic, it'd be more penetrative than PS blade.

Something that can cleanly chop Mountains in half is far more penetrative than any Rasen Shuriken regardless of it being made of Fuuton.

Ok fair point with the mountains.

I agree that Evening Elephant would eventually get through so let's just leave it at that.

Ok

The indirect hit is what caused that crater, and that is what we are debating about.

Exactly. An indirect hit caused that much damage. A direct hit does more damage. Hirudora has more energy per area then a normal punch, so it should have the entirety of the part which is affected by the shockwave shat on.

Can we stop with the bad logic? Evening Elephant being a jutsu is proof enough that it's not his normal punch. Hirudora is a punch. If I used your logic, I'd would've been able to argue that his normal punch=Hirudora, and that's pure nonsense. Gai forms elephant feet made of air pressure and then fires it at the target. Not a normal punch.

Um, not it's not. The only punches he ever used where Evening Elephant. It being a jutsu does not take away from the fact that it's a non-enhanced punch. It only becomes enhanced as the stages get further and further. But his initial punch was a normal full powered 8G punch. The only way you would even have an argument is if it was enhanced or used some kind of special stance/hand seal. But it did none of that, it was merely Gai throwing powerful punches from afar and calling that a jutsu. But it being called a jutsu has nothing to do with it being different from a normal punch.
@bold, bad logic.

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to focus all his power on a single point. Literally nothing to do with a punch at all, even if he calls it a simple 'punch'. I have never seen a simple punch used with fingers sticking out with chakra on them and both hands being used while locked together, so whether he claims it's a punch or not, it clearly isn't. And he forms elephant feet that are pure shockwaves. They just look like elephant feet, they aren't actual elephant feet nor is he using a hand seal or something else to form it into an elephant like he uses one to make the tiger in Hirudora. So again, there's nothing comparable here and 8th Gate Hirudora will have more energy per area then the evening elephant shockwaves. They are merely punches imo.

 

[Touken]

Except it's not. It's a jutsu using a punch. Doesn't make it the 8th Gate's normal punch. Are you going to claim Hirudora=7G Gai's normal punch, just because it's his fastest punch? No, obviously not. Logic and Manga show that this line of thinking makes no sense.

What on earth are you talking about? What do you define as a normal punch?