Five Hokages vs 8 Gates Gai

[KeyofDestiny]

Your comparison fails at the first point.

This is Shinsusenju next to the sea



This is the combined AOE of Shinsusenju and Kyuubi PS


As you see the AOE is only a tad bit bigger than shinsusenju, proven by their size next to the sea.

-Mountains compared to Shinsuusenju.

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-Mountains compared to the explosion.

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[Lord Tywin]

Your comparison fails at the first point.



-Mountains compared to Shinsuusenju.

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-Mountains compared to the explosion.

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Shinsusenju's height compared to the forest behind it

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The next image is zoomed out to shown us the scale of the attack. But the height of Shinsusenju should come to some place like this

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And there is Susanoo only taking half of that damage. My point still stands

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Shinsusenju's height compared to the forest behind it

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The next image is zoomed out to shown us the scale of the attack. But the height of Shinsusenju should come to some place like this

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And there is Susanoo only taking half of that damage. My point still stands

Wrong, considering I just showed you a comparison of the Mountains right next to SS. You have zero proof that the vegetation in that panel from 621 is the same as the one you marked for the panel in 626 considering that vegetation can be seen in multiple places. Then there's the fact that the difference in scale between the Mountains on both panels proves that the two areas you are marking are not the same area.

And no. Susanoo was in the middle of the combined explosion. Why would you say it only took half the damage? Did Sasuke and Naruto only take half the damage of PS Chidori and BD? Did Naruto and Sasuke only take half the damage of Indra's Arrow and the final twin RS?

That explosion is larger than YRS's AoE.

 

[Apêx1]

Depends on the strength and size of the Mokuton. Pressure attacks destroying Mokuton isn't evidence that pressure will work far better than Bijuu Dama despite the ridiculous gap in power.

Some things which are heat resistant (Mokuton could be the case here since it possesses Suiton as a part of its composition) are extremely resistant to tremendous amount of energy generated by heat but can then be torn apart with a strong person's bare hands/cut by a knife like butter. If a shockwave occurs on the Mokuton I don't see the hands staying intact at all.

It being able to penetrate better doesn't mean it can penetrate all Mokuton regardless of how strong it was.

No reason for me to believe any Mokuton can withstand the penetrative power of FRS. If the TBBRS Madara used cut through it like butter, then a more penetrative attack will do the same albeit in an even more lenient fashion. Unless you're suggesting that there are Mokuton structures which can withstand TBBRS's penetrative power. Not sure I agree, but elaborate.

Which doesn't matter since the comparison is SS's barrage vs. Evening Elephant, and VoTE is many many many times larger than what Evening Elephant has pulled off on panel. How many hands SS had to use to pull it off changes nothing.

I never compared the barrage's entire energy to Gai's evening elephant. What I am saying is that if 1 punch can create a crater that large within the ground, then it'll definitely do damage to SS given it's comparable in depth to the one created @ VOTE. At the end of the day I never compared the total energy, but rather the energy per area which EE definitely can contend with based on the crater which is immensely deep [

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]. The ground didn't even splinter meaning Gai actually compressed the ground to a crazy degree beneath Madara. It's proof of how focused it is and there's almost no reason to actually believe it won't be shitting on Mokuton's defences based on that. And do note the difference between 7G and 8G. 7G punches were being parried by Madara's one arm like they were nothing in their confrontation, 8th Gate punches were sending Madara through his TSB shield and another mile afar after that. Yes, it was EE, but it was a punch regardless.

Ok, let's say that Hirudora is stronger than a single step of Evening Elephant assuming 8G Gai can use it. So that'd just make it SS's punches>hypothetical 8G Hirudora>One Evening Elephant.

What I am saying is that Hirudora would still do large damage regardless of the explosion being >Hirudora. 7th Gate punch was much weaker then Hirudora energy per area wise, it can't even destroy a v1 while the Hirudora punch created something capable of destroying a v3. If Gai's punches in 8G can create shockwaves powerful enough to make craters and in the end, break his Gudo Dama shield while sending him a mile away, then I don't see why Hirudora would still not be far more powerful then the normal 8G punch, energy per area wise. That would effectively put it at a level capable of doing good damage to SS.

1. Evening Elephant is stronger than AT..Why didn't Gai resort to AT in the 8th if it was stronger?
2. Please people common sense should tell you NM would break through PS easily..Please my goodness we shouldn't be talking about these sorts in 2015 I beg of you.

1. Because EE is a continuous assault while Hirudora is a single punch. When did I ever suggest Hirudora>all EE steps combined?
2. Depends on how you interpret Gai distorting space. It's not common sense at all though, so I don't see why you are suggesting it's easy to know let alone easy to do.

 

[Xlad]

How do you make emojis work on these forums? ?

My tablet has a bunch of those.

S1: Gai loses here at all honesty.
S2: This is where he stomps.

 

[Kushina san]

Ahahah Gai is really overrated. Kage wins.

 

[Haizaki]

Except to judge which is stronger, you can't just look at the deepness of the crater. You have to combine width and length and figure out which one is stronger, and that would be SS by far.

Yes and that's why I said like 2 rounds or so would destroy PS directly. Not a single "5 steps".

No, it shouldn't. You are assuming that the BD used by Full Kurama is 2x stronger because it has 2x more chakra while ignoring the fact that the size difference between Kurama's body and the BD used on SS and the BD Naruto used is far greater than 2x.




It's not.

Night Guy might break through, but it breaking through easily is unsubstantiated.

This is hard to measure for me so I'll rather not engage in it...However I can agree with being unsubstantiated.

 

[Rιver]

His torso was obliterated, he was almost cut in half and he was left laying on the ground, defeated. Never said he was wrecked by Evening Elephant.

1. Stop saying Bijuu Dama. It's not a Bijuu Dama.
2. The question here is, how does Evening Elephant compare to this:

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1. I want to see evidence he was almost cut in half. All I saw was a cut mark, but doesn't mean he was nearly cut in half.

2. Ok.

3. I asked for comparison. A size means nothing. Deidara's C0 and C3 dwarf EE and they are still inferior even to one of those cannons and they aren't even stronger than one TBB. FRS took up half a crater that was larger than mountains and it's not that strong. Also, if you didn't notice that explosion is not energy, it's rubble and water that busted in the air. Just like FRS. FRS explosion in crater took up a mountain, and in reality it was about 20x the width of a man. You need feats of them destroying something that compares to EE. Or legit powerscaling.

Those are Mountains. Evening Elephant has two feats. Beating the crap out of Madara, and breaking through his Gudo Dama. Breaking through the Gudo Dama with a direct hit only proves that it's far far stronger than BSM Bijuu Dama and Senjutsu Susanoo Arrow. Not that it will match 12 Giant Bijuu Dama along with an attack that matched those Bijuu Dama.

Yeah well.

EE direct hit>>>>>>EE>>BSM Bijuu Dama+Susanoo Arrow>>>>>BSM Bijuu Dama>>>>>BM Bijuu Dama>>>Kuramas Bijuu Dama. See how far Kuramas Bijuu Dama was left behind?

Also, EE's shockwave didn't even hurt Gudodama, but when Gai hit him he got past it and that didn't even break his bones. NG literally obliterated him. So it's safe to say Bijuu Dama are nothing in comparison to NG here.

Ok, I won't bother with the size argument since I've covered it.

YRS cut the Shinju, but fire burns through wood easier than it would anything else let alone Lava enhanced by Wind. Then there's the fact that the AoE isn't larger than what happened at VoTe either. So how exactly is it stronger?

Will it tank Night Guy with ease? No. But it's debatable on whether it would run through PS and kill Madara. I personally believe it'd do enough damage to get past and kill the user. Not to mention Beans never said it tanks Night Guy.

You need proof of Katon burning Mokuton easier than other substances. This isn't regular wood and fire we are talking about. Also it didn't cut through it, the shockwave cut it. Unless you believe that shockwave was Yoton... no it didn't burn it.

Then why are we arguing here?

 

[KeyofDestiny]

1. I want to see evidence he was almost cut in half. All I saw was a cut mark, but doesn't mean he was nearly cut in half.

2. Ok.

3. I asked for comparison. A size means nothing. Deidara's C0 and C3 dwarf EE and they are still inferior even to one of those cannons and they aren't even stronger than one TBB. FRS took up half a crater that was larger than mountains and it's not that strong. Also, if you didn't notice that explosion is not energy, it's rubble and water that busted in the air. Just like FRS. FRS explosion in crater took up a mountain, and in reality it was about 20x the width of a man. You need feats of them destroying something that compares to EE. Or legit powerscaling.

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You can clearly see a giant gap in his torso here.

3. Don't use piss poor logic. If this was what you were gonna reply with you should've just not replied. Think I've had to deal with enough of that BS for one week. I hope I don't have to show you what dust and rubble looks like. FRS and that final explosion at VoTE are clearly not dust. Please go learn what dust looks like and tell me if what you see there is dust. :lol

1. There is no rubble in that explosion. Rubble would be solid pieces of the ground. I hope I don't have to show you what rock looks like just to prove that there is no rock in this

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Same thing goes for FRS.

2. The notion that 12 giant Bijuu Dama would explode into something that isn't a real explosion is probably a laughable assumption, seems you are making quite a bit of those lately.

FRS's total energy is what lets it explode like that. Every other time it's used all that energy is condensed in the wind sphere.

3. Your Deidara example is piss poor, because we already know how strong a Bijuu Dama's energy per area is, and it's far above something like CO and FRS. 1 single BD is Mountain sized, and it vaporizes Mountains without a trace. C0 and C3 and FRS don't even begin to do that, not to mention EE's crater is larger than anything they've ever done, so your example still makes zero sense.

What's absolutely hilarious is that you wanna talk about the feats that Evening Elephant and Shinsuusenju/Madara's final attack have when it comes to wrecking things to determine it's power, yet you ignore the obvious facts that when it comes to that, Gai's Evening Elephant has one feat, and that's destroying the Gudo Dama. PS is far more durable than the Gudo Dama. So if we play it that nonsense way, then you lose and it's not even close.

Yeah well.

EE direct hit>>>>>>EE>>BSM Bijuu Dama+Susanoo Arrow>>>>>BSM Bijuu Dama>>>>>BM Bijuu Dama>>>Kuramas Bijuu Dama. See how far Kuramas Bijuu Dama was left behind?

Yes, only because you used shitty ass logic, logic that I detest. Not to mention you are adding unnecessary amounts of greater signs, as if it proves your point.

EE direct hit>>EE>>BSM BD and Susanoo Arrow>>BSM BD>>BM Bijuu Dama.

Full Kurama's standard Bijuu Dama is already equal or stronger than Naruto and Sasuke's combo attack given the gap in size between each BD, which is massive. [

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Let alone Kurama's final BD Barrage, which was comprised of BD the size of SS's

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Chojo Kebutsu+12 Giant BD>Night Guy>>>>Evening Elephant.

A single BD from Full Kurama from the barrage>>>Naruto and Sasuke's combo attack.

Where the hell are you even getting this ridiculous ass gap in power between BM Bijuu Dama and Kurama's Bijuu Dama when there is literally no difference? What's worse is that Full Kurama's BD feats shit on Naruto's. Smh.

Also, EE's shockwave didn't even hurt Gudodama, but when Gai hit him he got past it and that didn't even break his bones. NG literally obliterated him. So it's safe to say Bijuu Dama are nothing in comparison to NG here.

Good. You've proved that Night Guy is far stronger than 1 Bijuu Dama. Give yourself a pat on the back and try to remember that we are not talking about only 1 Bijuu Dama here.

Ok, I won't bother with the size argument since I've covered it.

You've covered nothing.

You need proof of Katon burning Mokuton easier than other substances. This isn't regular wood and fire we are talking about. Also it didn't cut through it, the shockwave cut it. Unless you believe that shockwave was Yoton... no it didn't burn it.

What in the hell?

1. Mokuton doesn't burn just like that because it's not regular Wood, that doesn't change the fact that it's composition would make it easier for Fire to burn it, assuming the fire was strong enough.

2. YRS is formed by Lava in the center, and Wind as the blade. When the lava explodes, it merges with the wind and cuts the opponent. The "shockwave" didn't cut jack. The expansion of the blade is what cut the Shinju.

Then why are we arguing here?

No idea, but now I see you saying some crazy shit, so I'm definitely gonna reply now.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Some things which are heat resistant (Mokuton could be the case here since it possesses Suiton as a part of its composition) are extremely resistant to tremendous amount of energy generated by heat but can then be torn apart with a strong person's bare hands/cut by a knife like butter. If a shockwave occurs on the Mokuton I don't see the hands staying intact at all.

Suiton is a component, yet it shares no properties with it at all, and it being comprised of it isn't proof that it does. So your support for Hirudora snapping the hands because it's pressure is weak. You are pretty much telling me that it prevails because it's a pressure based attack, and that's not evidence.

No reason for me to believe any Mokuton can withstand the penetrative power of FRS.

Like I told River. Stop using bad logic. It being able to penetrate doesn't mean that it can destroy any kind of Mokuton regardless of how durable it is.

If the TBBRS Madara used cut through it like butter, then a more penetrative attack will do the same albeit in an even more lenient fashion. Unless you're suggesting that there are Mokuton structures which can withstand TBBRS's penetrative power. Not sure I agree, but elaborate.

Lol. So now Rasen Shuriken is more penetrative than a PS Blade spinning with the speed and force of a Bijuu Dama? One of the fastest ones used in the Manga no less? I hope you're joking.

I never compared the barrage's entire energy to Gai's evening elephant. What I am saying is that if 1 punch can create a crater that large within the ground, then it'll definitely do damage to SS given it's comparable in depth to the one created @ VOTE. At the end of the day I never compared the total energy, but rather the energy per area which EE definitely can contend with based on the crater which is immensely deep [

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]. The ground didn't even splinter meaning Gai actually compressed the ground to a crazy degree beneath Madara. It's proof of how focused it is and there's almost no reason to actually believe it won't be shitting on Mokuton's defences based on that. And do note the difference between 7G and 8G. 7G punches were being parried by Madara's one arm like they were nothing in their confrontation, 8th Gate punches were sending Madara through his TSB shield and another mile afar after that. Yes, it was EE, but it was a punch regardless.

Pretty sure I've said this on this thread before, but something being super focused isn't automatic proof it'll get through, nor is it's depth proof it will get through, not when the gap in overall power between EE and what SS survived is absolutely ridiculous in size. A single one of those BD that Kurama fired would be stronger than EE, let alone 12 of them along with another equal attack.

Then there's the fact that Madara was shrugging off indirect hits. More reason for me not to believe that it one shots any Mokuton. But I'll agree that it will do damage.

"It was a punch regardless" doesn't validate your claim. If you want to make a good comparison I suggest you compare 8G Gai punching without using Evening Elephant.

What I am saying is that Hirudora would still do large damage regardless of the explosion being >Hirudora. 7th Gate punch was much weaker then Hirudora energy per area wise, it can't even destroy a v1 while the Hirudora punch created something capable of destroying a v3. If Gai's punches in 8G can create shockwaves powerful enough to make craters and in the end, break his Gudo Dama shield while sending him a mile away, then I don't see why Hirudora would still not be far more powerful then the normal 8G punch, energy per area wise. That would effectively put it at a level capable of doing good damage to SS.

Gai's normal punch isn't what causes those craters, he is clearly using a jutsu there so the comparison you are drawing between his normal punch in 7G and this doesn't even make sense.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Wrong, considering I just showed you a comparison of the Mountains right next to SS. You have zero proof that the vegetation in that panel from 621 is the same as the one you marked for the panel in 626 considering that vegetation can be seen in multiple places. Then there's the fact that the difference in scale between the Mountains on both panels proves that the two areas you are marking are not the same area.

What? The only place you can see a forest relative to the sea in that same exact location is this forest

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Both the placement relative to the sea and its distance from the sea gives us the fact that it's the same exact forest.

And no. Susanoo was in the middle of the combined explosion. Why would you say it only took half the damage? Did Sasuke and Naruto only take half the damage of PS Chidori and BD? Did Naruto and Sasuke only take half the damage of Indra's Arrow and the final twin RS?

That explosion is larger than YRS's AoE.

I said half because Madara's PS felt Shinsusenjuu's punches only. It didn't feel the the damage it itself dished out, or at least it would be stupid of Madara to move susanoo close enough to its own attack's AOE.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

What? The only place you can see a forest relative to the sea in that same exact location is this forest

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Both the placement relative to the sea and its distance from the sea gives us the fact that it's the same exact forest.


I said half because Madara's PS felt Shinsusenjuu's punches only. It didn't feel the the damage it itself dished out, or at least it would be stupid of Madara to move susanoo close enough to its own attack's AOE.

You joking? Those grasslands are

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that Mountain Region, then there's the fact that my comparison makes this impossible. You don't even know the distance nor have you accurately calculated the distance. I'm baffled as to how you are still replying when the Mountain to SS to sea comparison debunks any possibility that what you are saying is true. Smh.

Which is wrong, because it was in the explosion.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Yes and that's why I said like 2 rounds or so would destroy PS directly. Not a single "5 steps".

Except it wouldn't.

 

[Rιver]

A single BD from Full Kurama from the barrage>>>Naruto and Sasuke's combo attack.

Chojo Kebutsu+12 Giant BD>Night Guy>>>>Evening Elephant.

What's worse is that Full Kurama's BD feats shit on Naruto's.

Where the hell are you even getting this ridiculous ass gap in power between BM Bijuu Dama and Kurama's Bijuu Dama when there is literally no difference?

PS is far more durable than the Gudo Dama

I see you saying some crazy shit, so I'm definitely gonna reply now.

Don't use piss poor logic.

Yes, only because you used shitty ass logic, logic that I detest.

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I want you to take your time...

And prove all of this.

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:lol

 

[Lord Tywin]

You joking? Those grasslands are

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that Mountain Region, then there's the fact that my comparison makes this impossible. You don't even know the distance nor have you accurately calculated the distance. I'm baffled as to how you are still replying when the Mountain to SS to sea comparison debunks any possibility that what you are saying is true. Smh.

Cool story man, now show me grasslands in that same exact location, or in that area, then I'll concede. We don't need to accurately measure the distance here. Just by looking at it you should be able to see it. The scan that shows us the explosion is zoomed out a bit compared to the scan that shown both PS Kyuubi and Shinsusenjuu walking toward each other.

Which is wrong, because it was in the explosion.

What I'm really trying to say here is that Susanoo didn't all or most of that damage. Shinsusenjuu's arms were all broken. Hashirama had to detach the body from the arms on the back because they were destroyed

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[KeyofDestiny]

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I want you to take your time...

And prove all of this.

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:lol

What I want you to do is pull your head out of your ass and actually read my posts (including previous ones) and the Manga before you reply, because I addressed all this. :lol

Full Kurama's standard Bijuu Dama is already equal or stronger than Naruto and Sasuke's combo attack given the gap in size between each BD, which is massive. [X] [X]

The links are in the post you failed to reply to. Address it and then get back at me. That addresses this: BM BD>>>>>Regular Kurama BD nonsense, and everything that has to do with Full Kurama's BD vs. Naruto's attacks. Full Kurama fires 12 BD the size of SS's hands out a time. Naruto fires 5 that are the size of his body. (Not Kurama's body, his human body) What's worse is that you are making nonsense claims yet you can't even prove them when asked. Which is another reason why it's getting hard to take you seriously as of late.

1. Please show me where BM Naruto's regular Bijuu Dama has shown to be stronger than Kurama's regular Bijuu Dama? Because Full Kurama's Bijuu Dama has shown to be much larger. Links have been posted, please go read them.

2. Night Guy's best feat is making a giant hole in the Shinju and vaporizing Madara's body, where he was hit. The combined explosion at Madara and Hashirama's attacks is far larger than that of the Shinju's width.

I don't know how Gai's techniques became so wanked on NB, but people claiming that his attacks are stronger and will do worse than what 12 giant BDs and something equal to that would do need to fall back, read the Manga correctly this time, and then post again.

3. Are you actually claiming that the Gudo Dama are as durable as Madara's Susanoo? Lol. The same Gudo Dama that were damaged by:

-Rasengan.
-PS blade from Sasuke.
-9 Rasengan from Naruto's friends.
-Small BSM BD and Senjutsu Susanoo Arrow

LMFAO. River, please don't do this here.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Cool story man, now show me grasslands in that same exact location, or in that area, then I'll concede. We don't need to accurately measure the distance here. Just by looking at it you should be able to see it. The scan that shows us the explosion is zoomed out a bit compared to the scan that shown both PS Kyuubi and Shinsusenjuu walking toward each other.


What I'm really trying to say here is that Susanoo didn't all or most of that damage. Shinsusenjuu's arms were all broken. Hashirama had to detach the body from the arms on the back because they were destroyed

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First of all, the zoom of the scan is irrelevant and only proves my point, and it prevents your comparison between the forest and SS from making any type of sense. Explosion>>>>>>>>Mountain in size. Mountain=SS>Kyuubi in size. So please tell me how SS is over half as tall as that explosion? I'll wait.

The bold is why you cannot be taken seriously. If you can't tell the distance between the grasslands and the statue, then do me a favor and explain what the hell your reasoning is based off of? Lmao. You literally make no sense. So please stop it. Why am I even bothering replying to you? You've done the same thing before that you are doing here. Denying Manga fact. Now, I'm going to repeat this again and maybe you'll stop spouting this nonsense.

This is Shinsusenju next to the sea



This is the combined AOE of Shinsusenju and Kyuubi PS


As you see the AOE is only a tad bit bigger than shinsusenju, proven by their size next to the sea.

-Mountains compared to Shinsuusenju.

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-Mountains compared to the explosion.

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Your comparison makes zero sense. Please tell me how Shinsuusenju rises to the point of the explosion that you show in this pic, when the Mountains are dwarfed by explosion? The same Mountains that are larger than PS Kyuubi and the same size as Shinsuusenju's main body? Your comparison boils down to the fact that the explosion and SS are both next to see, so they must be around the same size. :lol. Terrible terrible logic.


What I'm trying to say here is that you are wrong. It was in the center of the explosion, thus it took the damage. What Hashirama endured is irrelevant.

 

[Rιver]

The links are in the post you failed to reply to. Address it and then get back at me. That addresses this: BM BD>>>>>Regular Kurama BD nonsense, and everything that has to do with Full Kurama's BD vs. Naruto's attacks. Full Kurama fires 12 BD the size of SS's hands out a time. Naruto fires 5 that are the size of his body. (Not Kurama's body, his human body) What's worse is that you are making nonsense claims yet you can't even prove them when asked. Which is another reason why it's getting hard to take you seriously as of late.

Dude, when will you realize that size does represent strength? RSM Naruto had Bijuu Dama smaller than half Kuramas and its light years stronger. Also it has been stated by Hachibi himself that a Jinchuuriki is stronger than its Bijuu when using BM because it is more focused. Actually wait:

Wasn't this what you also used to say?

:lol

1. Please show me where BM Naruto's regular Bijuu Dama has shown to be stronger than Kurama's regular Bijuu Dama? Because Full Kurama's Bijuu Dama has shown to be much larger. Links have been posted, please go read them.

You need proof larger = stronger because I haven't seen any.

2. Night Guy's best feat is making a giant hole in the Shinju and vaporizing Madara's body, where he was hit. The combined explosion at Madara and Hashirama's attacks is far larger than that of the Shinju's width.

Dude are you really comparing a kick to an explosion? A kick does not explode.

:lol

I don't know how Gai's techniques became so wanked on NB, but people claiming that his attacks are stronger and will do worse than what 12 giant BDs and something equal to that would do need to fall back, read the Manga correctly this time, and then post again.

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3. Are you actually claiming that the Gudo Dama are as durable as Madara's Susanoo? Lol. The same Gudo Dama that were damaged by:

-Rasengan.
-PS blade from Sasuke.
-9 Rasengan from Naruto's friends.
-Small BSM BD and Senjutsu Susanoo Arrow

No you need to prove that a regular PS is far stronger than Gudo Dama. You're just twisting my words here.

Also, I'm still waiting for proof for:

1. Bigger BD = stronger.

2. 12 BD > NG and EE.

3. Full Kurama > BM Naruto.

4. PS being this absurdly strong.

If you said that 12 BD didn't bust PS, why are you saying NG that is ''inferior'' busts PS and even kills the user?

Contradictions son.

 

[Rιver]

The links are in the post you failed to reply to. Address it and then get back at me. That addresses this: BM BD>>>>>Regular Kurama BD nonsense, and everything that has to do with Full Kurama's BD vs. Naruto's attacks. Full Kurama fires 12 BD the size of SS's hands out a time. Naruto fires 5 that are the size of his body. (Not Kurama's body, his human body) What's worse is that you are making nonsense claims yet you can't even prove them when asked. Which is another reason why it's getting hard to take you seriously as of late.

1. Please show me where BM Naruto's regular Bijuu Dama has shown to be stronger than Kurama's regular Bijuu Dama? Because Full Kurama's Bijuu Dama has shown to be much larger. Links have been posted, please go read them.

Yeah, so...

Bijuu+Jin>Stronger Bijuu with less intelligence.

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Lol replace B with Minato and the attack gets much larger than that. Combined Bijuu Dama from Naruto and Minato>11 standard Bijuu Dama with blades in them.

Are we both stupid now? :/

 

[KeyofDestiny]

When will you morons stop attempting to use my quotes as evidence? My stance from a year ago doesn't reflect my stance now, nor does it help because my stance from a year ago clearly contradicts what the Manga said. :lol. It's sad that you people spend so much time trying to find what I said instead of trying to find evidence for your claims.

Dude, when will you realize that size does represent strength? RSM Naruto had Bijuu Dama smaller than half Kuramas and its light years stronger. Also it has been stated by Hachibi himself that a Jinchuuriki is stronger than its Bijuu when using BM because it is more focused. Actually wait:

Wasn't this what you also used to say?

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Hmmm, wonder why I don't say it anymore?

Oh wait, because it's wrong. River. Please use some common sense, if you have any that is because the nonsense I've seen over the past few days makes me wonder whether or not you should join the retarded debaters to avoid list. RSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama is the same size as Kurama's in ball form, but the explosion IS FAR LARGER. And that is because his chakra is FAR STRONGER. Size of the ball=/=Strength when talking about entities with two different chakra strengths. Not size of the explosion. So once again, your example is terrible and your logic is trash. When it comes to the same type of explosive, size=power. That's why we can look at C1, C2 and C3 and tell which one is stronger based on size alone, because it is the same type of energy.


Hachibi's statement was for the Juubi and it's Jinchuuriki. Unless Naruto hosts the Juubi, stop mentioning irrelevant points. The explosion sizes from Naruto's attacks and Full Kurama's attacks end any and all assertions that "BM Naruto>>>>>>Full Kurama's BD". I suggest we do less of asking for proof, and more of actually producing our own.

Dude are you really comparing a kick to an explosion? A kick does not explode.

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River. Stop being daft. A kick not being an explosion doesn't change the fact that one is stronger, and there is a way to determine which is stronger. The fact that all you can say is "Night Guy>>>>SS and PS's attack" with no evidence but "Dude lol, kick=/=Explosion" proves you have no argument.

Which is irrelevant. Like I've told all the clowns you've used this logic. Different type of attack doesn't change the fact that one can be

No you need to prove that a regular PS is far stronger than Gudo Dama. You're just twisting my words here.

Are you dumb or something? I've already proved that. Naruto's combo attack blew a giant hole in the Gudo Dama. Madara's PS tanked something on par with that with no damage. Giant Rasengan damaged one Gudo Dama. It's inferior to what PS tanked with zero damage. It took 12 Giant BD and SS's explosion to wreck PS. Gudo Dama was blown open by a far inferior attack.

Also, I'm still waiting for proof for:

1. Bigger BD = stronger.

Proven.

2. 12 BD > NG and EE.

Proven. Especially since you don't have a real rebuttal to this, just the usual BS I'd expect from you.

3. Full Kurama > BM Naruto.

Proven.

4. PS being this absurdly strong.

Proven. What's funny is that all evidence presented for this claim was ignored, but considering that is what you do best, I really can't be surprised at this point.

If you said that 12 BD didn't bust PS, why are you saying NG that is ''inferior'' busts PS and even kills the user?

Contradictions son.

I said it might break through, and I never said squat about the user. That's because despite it being inferior, it's focused and actually extremely powerful unlike a single step of Evening Elephant.