first hokage vs TOBI (NOT MADARA)

[deidara senpai]

okay i know we havent seen a lot of tobi im just wondering do you think tobi is stronger or weaker because we just saw madaras strength and he is insanely strong and the first hokage beat him who must be like closer to a god lol

so what if the first and tobi clashed who would win knowledge or predictions/hype

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Why do you think that the Edo tensei Madara is the one Hashirama fought? Everything points away from that yet still people like to say that Hashirama must be the best ever because of it. It didn't happen, get over it, there is no way Hashi could beat the rinnegan and the EMS in the same person, especially one who has alot of non KG skills like Madara.

 

[Cfighter]

Why do you think that the Edo tensei Madara is the one Hashirama fought? Everything points away from that yet still people like to say that Hashirama must be the best ever because of it. It didn't happen, get over it, there is no way Hashi could beat the rinnegan and the EMS in the same person, especially one who has alot of non KG skills like Madara.

Madara didnt have the Rinnegan during their fight! WHY does everyone think this??? Re-read the chapter. Madara CLEARLY says that he unlocked it during the final stages of his life AKA when he was dying. Unless he was dying when he fought Hashi, which is probably why he would loss, he DIDNT have it. Also, EMS is just MS but doesnt blind. Its not different.