first debate ever

[that guy over there]

Jiraiya is my second for favs, but he clearly loses this.

saying someone is your favourite and then saying something against him does NOT make your post more legit.hope you know that

 

[7th Path]

Itachi really meant it when he said that (him + Kisame) < or = Jiraiya, other thing that makes me believe that Jiraiya > Orochimaru and Jiraiya > Itachi is that high chakra reserve ninja are advanteged against low chakra reserve ones like Oro and Itachi,
Oro and Itachi should quickly try to end the battle which is impossible against a ninja like Jiraiya so as long as the battle goes Jiraiya will have bigger chances to win it.