Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions

[KCMNaruto]

First Tobito fans, I give you respect and honor for believing in Tobi is Obito all time.
You were right and other as me were wrong.

I was great Tobi is Izuna theory fan but I was wrong;/, and I am not sure if it was Izuna soul in Obito body it could be great, maybe yes but after all chapter dedicated to Obito Uchiha it would be weird.

It woud be better if Kishi introduced Izuna in story but as other character, I mean Tobi as Obito in body and soul and Izuna as Masked Man who was his master, after Madara ressurected Izuna with Rinne Tensei, so it could make sense that Izuna fought with Minato, Izuna possesed Kamui.
After Izuna death Tobi/Obito was introduced to Akatsuki by Zetsu.

CONGRATULATIONS TOBITO FANS, You were right...

Tobi=Obito is soul and mind, HOWEVER it is not that simple.

If Kishi wants to remove timeline issues and plotholes he could write something as me.
Please read my thoery:

In my opinion, there were always 3 Masked Men:
MADARA ACTIONS:
-Madara surivived fight with Hashirama Senjuu
-Madara created Zetsu
-Madara created Mist village
-Madara created roots of Akatuski
-Madara injected Senjuu DNA in himself
-Madara awake RG
-Madara injected Senjuu DNA in Uchiha Izuna dead body
-Madara himself, dying reviving Uchiha Izuna, his brother eyeless.
-Izuna can't handle RG because he have to fight over control on his body with Senjuu DNA trying to take over him.
-Zetsu gave RG to Nagato Uzumaki boy.(maybe Madara son with Uzumaki woman).
IZUNA ACTIONS:
-Izuna took random Sharingan, which Madara left him after dead Uchiha in war.
-Izuna created plan to took revenge for Konoha
-Izuna took control over Mist village, BLOODY MIST
-Izuna convinced Yahiko to create Akatsuki
-Izuna controlled Yagura
-Izuna with Zetsu found Obito
-Zetsu reconstructed Uchiha Obito body
-Izuna injected in new repaired Obito Uchiha body Madara, Izuna and Senjuu Hashirama DNA.
-Obito got all knowledge and potential of both best of Uchiha brothers (Izuna&Madara)
-Izuna showed Obito Rin dying and Kakashi didn;t keeping his promise to him.
-Izuna explained Obito that his sensei, Kakashi didn;t care bout him, or Rin and village simple abandoned him
- Obito is sad and mad at village, Sensei and Kakashi
- Izuna told him true that Uchiha clan was always treated as shit in konoha, make obito rage even more and awake MS in his last one eye.
-Izuna explained Obito how he died and all, and now he is reborn as Tobi Uchiha, Obito Uchiha died. As Tobi Uchiha, he can become Ultimate Uchiha with Senjuu Hashirama, Madara and Izuna DNA injected and connected with core , remains of Uchiha Obito body.
-Izuna trained Obito , who thanks to Madara DNA and Izuna DNA become really powerfull in one year.
-However Izuna had argument with Obito, that Obito is not ready to attack Konoha.
-Izuna go himself instead as masked man.
-Izuna controlled Kyuubi, beat all Anbu
-Izuna lost to fourth Hokage, Minato Namikaze
-Izuna is injured and it make Tobi Uchiha rage even more.
-Izuna explained Tobi Uchiha that he is as son to him, he is reincarnation of Madara and Izuna himself thanks to their DNA.
-Some time later Izuna died from Old age, entrusting Tobi Uchiha to ressurect Madara when time will be right. He entrust Tobi Uchiha Moon eye plan and Jyuubi ressurection too.
-After Izuna second death, Obito/Tobi prepeared plan of revenge on Konoha and World. Zetsu instrucred him to what's to do.
OBITO/TOBI ACTIONS
-Tobi/Obito Uchiha appear in Akatsuki first time, introduced by Zetsu.
-Tobi/Obito is working with Deidara in akatsuki
-Tobi/Obito cares about Sasuke, because he remind him his real master/sensei Izuna Uchiha.
-Tobi/Obito wants Sasuke to be his sucessor.
-Tobi Obito send Pein to hunt Naruto
-Tobi/Obito send Kisame to hunt Kisame
-Tobi/Obito appear before Sasuke
-Tobi/Obito claim that Rinne Tensei should be using on him, his master Izuna Uchiha or Madara or both.
-Tobi/Obito appear to talk with Naruto
-Tobi/Obito appear in 5 kages meeting
-Tobi/Obito declares fourth great ninja war on five countries.
-Tobi/Obito meets with Kabuto using Edo Tensei
-Tobi/Obito kill Konan and retrieve his master and his brother orginally eyes
-Tobi/Obito changes clothes to what his master Izuna worn and take on new mask
-Tobi/Obito begins fourth great shinobi world
-Tobi/Obito pretended to be Madara and Izuna thanks to their DNA and their knowledge to fool everyone.

- etc.... next actions are still Obito actions


What do you think about my theory?!
-I am sure Obito couldn't be all time Tobi:flaw:
-It could explain all plotholes
-It could introduce Izuna Uchiha to story,as well as explaining how Madara gave Nagato his eyes and died without need to meeting Obito.
-Obito could be only be badass thanks to external power same as Naruto.
-Naruto got Kurama to be powerfull, Obito got Madara, Izuna and Hashirama DNA to be powerfull
-Obito could awake MS and has so much potential thanks to Madara and Izuna knowledge as well as potential.
TOBI BODY
-Today Tobi is half body of Izuna, other half of Madara body with Senjuu DNA flowing in his body. He only has Obito face, head and his body has last remains of core of Obito body.
-Throught many years Obito remains of body fixed by Zetsu was taken over by Uchiha Izuna and Uchiha Madara DNA.
TOBI SOUL
-Tobi soul is Obito soul, but it is twisted by Madara and Izuna personalites, Izuna teachings as well as their knowledge.

SUMARRY: Tobi is hybrid of all three most powerfull Uchiha: Obito, Izuna and Madara with Obito body.
- Tobi can manipulate his DNA, so he can looks like Madara or Izuna or Obito at will.
He can pretend to be them because he has all their memories and knowledges
-Tobi soul belong to Obito, but is twisted, took over by Madara and Izuna personality when he is serious.
-Obito become powerfull as Tobi because he is hybrid of Madara, Izuna and himself, so he has great talent of most powerfull Uchiha helped him develop sharingan to max and awake MS.
- Senjuu DNA heal side effects of MS, so Tobi is not blind. Besides Madara and Izuna DNA increase his Uchiha power and talent to maximum so it looks like he use MS without effort.


If you want to repleace Madara with Izuna just do it, but Obito would meet blind Madara then...


The most important for me, please Tobito tards and fans stop saying that Tobi as Obito is stronger than Madara, NO!, simple no.

Tobi is not same Obito as we known.
-he has Hashirama Senjuu DNA
-He has Madara Uchiha DNA, it is evidence

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-probably Izuna DNA as well

Face it Tobito fans you are right about Tobi being Obito but no about his strength.
-Tobi without Senjuu DNA couldn't regenerate his body
-Tobi without Madara DNA couldn't have that much knowledge and expierience as he has. Madara DNA accelerated Obito development to become who he is today known as Tobi.
- Maybe Obito as talentless Uchiha could never awake MS.

Tobi being ONLY OBITO in every cell in his body and mind could be at most Kakashi level, maybe little above.

In my opinion Tobi body is hybrid of Madara DNA and Senjuu Hashirama DNA incjected in remains of Obito body, so what could be saved from rock.
As for Tobi soul is Obito Uchiha himself who was currupted by Madara Uchiha and maybe Izuna Uchiha personalities and knowledges.

Tobi as Obito being in control of his reamins of body with face, can control DNA flow in his body, so he can changes his look to whoever he want's to be.
- When he met Kisame he took appearance of Madara
- When he showed glimpse of his face to Itachi he took appearance of Madara as well.

I know it is complicated, but it could make sense.

IN SUMARRY: Tobi is Obito as main core of body and full soul, who can changes his appearance thanks to DNA he posses(Madara, Hashirama). He can mimic Madara voice or whatever because he posses his personality, knowledge and more.



What do you think about my theory?

 

[DrukenT]

First Tobito fans, I give you respect and honor for believing in Tobi is Obito all time.
You were right and other as me were wrong.[/B]

you think a lot,not necessary...
I agree on the part of three men are tobi
madara,izuna,obito
that mask is on descent
madara but never wear a mask to hide his identity, he is madara
o I think that only two men were Tobi, Izuna & obito
the part where madara revive or save Izuna, I have no idea how he did it.

or maybe it was Izuna, maybe madara had a descendant, his son

 

[KCMNaruto]

you think a lot,not necessary...
I agree on the part of three men are tobi
madara,izuna,obito
that mask is on descent
madara but never wear a mask to hide his identity, he is madara
o I think that only two men were Tobi, Izuna & obito
the part where madara revive or save Izuna, I have no idea how he did it.

Maybe you are right, but I really want to make this story epic still, so I brought with theese idea's.

Thanks that you agree about three men being Tobi, although Madara was never as masked man I suppouse...

About Izuna and Obito they are alike, so I think Izuna was master and trained, taught everything Obito...


About how Madara could revive Izuna I meant technique called Gedo Rinne Tensei, same technique which Nagato used to ressurect people in Konoha.

If we assume that Madara died when Nagato was child<4 or 5 year old> then maybe Izuna didn't die long time ago, or Madara mastered Rinne Tensei and ressurected Izuna, knowing that he die soon from he was too old or injuries form battle with Hashirama in Valley of end.

It could explain why Itachi could confuse Madara and Izuna, they were alike.
Izuna as first masked man didn't posses RG, which Nagato had, so Izuna was blind. He had to use random sharingan so that why Masked man never shown as RG and maybe MS, although
For me Masked man vs Minato fight is confusing the most,
If it was obito how could he grow in so short time(1 year).
If it was Izuna he had to possesed Kamui, Space time Ninjutsu.

Rest stoy I explained in my previous post, so please read it

 

[DrukenT]

is right, this technique ... maybe madara well preserved Izuna's body when he died after all, not fight more.
madara said that this technique for the body should be in perfect condition
the body deteriorates with time, at least at that time knew the cryogenics haha!
so if madara awakened these eyes shortly before his death, it was not so long ago when it died after the fight harishama

 

[yetanotheruser]

Enough of this Tobito shit.
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[wcdregon]

The theory is good in principle but I think your overthinking things.
For Obito to be alive there's some zetsu in him = hashirama dna.
I also agree that for him to become so powerful in such a short time he had to have had a great master, likely Izuna or an unknown Uchiha, but he is aware of all of the Uchiha secret techniques which can only be seen with sharingan, and the more developed your sharingan the more you can see. So Obito is supposed to be the mirror image of Naruto. He also wants to unite the ninja world and stop the violence, but his path is the opposite of Naruto for acheiving that goal. I really hope that Ch.600 explains not who, but what Obito actually is. He is Obito, but just as Naruto has the will of fire, Obito has the cull of hatred or whatever they call the Uchiha mindset. Just like Naruto had a kage level master, Obito also had a kage level master.

There is likely more than one masked man...

 

[ZlotnikPL]

1. In Kakashi team we have Obito and similar Sasuke in Naruto one. We will get to know history of Obito next but i'm sure we'll also end up hearing news about another Uchiha from Hanzo team or maybe their master too...

2. There is interesting fact that in ep. 590 Madara who mets Itachi for the first time and has longer hair than Obito and different mask but he still has only one hole for one right eye - exaclty as waiting for rinne - it's really disturbing for me. This makes Obito decission to give his left eye for Kakashi intentional so imo he wanted to dissappear to become more powerfull and surpass Kakashi and maybe his master too. In addition Tobito aims to gain only powers of 6pMaster while that Madara from 590 ep. sais: "You probably know that i'm an Uchiha and i hold a grundge towards the clan and the village." He not said which Uchiha he is and we don't know what is intention of speaker but we have a clue what well known nature and main goal (at least in Uchiha clan) true Madara had.

3. There is a question where and in what circumstances Orochimaru/Oro2.0 found body of Madara and what powerful scroll was found in his secret lab. If Madara survived battle than with someone's help since Hashi was too strong for him. I think we are about to see history of masks starting with tale of two brothers and Tobi origins.
IMO ToBi is just older, more skilled OBiTo and there is someone else in the shadow comming up on scene. I'm also curious if in Zetsu name is hidden any information like it was with ObiTo = Toobi...


I would focus more on what is about to happen, similarities between each generations, other analogies and holes in story. Bigger picture with more puzzles gives more clues than smaller with only few which fits in many places.

 

[konoha s beautiful beast]

already discussed and re-discussed )

 

[katandthehat]

Honesty, im just pissed. I HAD TO ADMIT THAT A TOBITO FAN WAS RIGHT!!!

But I still Think that its the elder son in a psudo-obito bod.

 

[saw2097]

Enough of this Tobito shit.
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Well he certainly looks like Obito. An entire chapter was dedicated to saying it was Obito. So Tobi must be Obito.

 

[EternalStudent]

I'm leading towards Kagami, who I chose in the poll.

One thing I know for sure is that Tobi is not Obito. If he was then Kishi will be absolutely hammered by the community in outrage.

hheheheheh

 

[Bloodytaste]

what about Ramen guy? Maybe he is an hidden Uchiha who is con"troll"ing Obitos body by sort of body mind switch technqiue~
still im for evil Obito theory i think its like star wars, anakin beeing turned into evil, even if he wanted to do the correct thing the whole time. People can't believe Obito could get that curel, while in star wars its exactly the same about anakin, and he only did it for love, and of sidious! Well its like a big parallel ~

 

[trollinclip]

^^
Oh my he didn't did he? don't ever compare to Star Wars please. They are both epic and should never be used in same sentence unless words like epic are in there. Thanks

ps I would believe the ramen guy is Tobi more than I believe Kagami/Izuna/Obito is. The only real logical answer it is could be Madara. I just can't wait till the reveal

 

[shri3kbat]

I don't think Madara would refer to his son as "that brat"

 

[kent0005]

i still dont go back on my words. Tobi is either two different people and one of them is obito or tobi is not obito and someone else using his body. Tobi mentions how he gave rinnegan nagato. If tobi was obito would be impossible as obito never existed or infant to give child nagato his rinnegan. Even if nagato rinnegan isnt madara, where is madara sharingans or rinnegan? You can't happend to not have the most powerful eyes go missing.

Either someone else transplanted his eyes to nagato or his sharingan went missing. If madara rinnegan is unable to go back to MS or sharingan, then there should be two rinnegans out there. How come nagato is only one with rinnegan and obito need his rinnegan or no one else has rinnegan right now? If nagato had madara rinnegan would make sense as a little boy can't just happend to have a rinnegan when its known to be legendary possessed by the one who created the ninja world.

 

[animechika]

I GUESS OBITO! cuz i just saw him.

 

[garas56]

Izuna,Kagami,zetsu clone one of them and hes not obito just with his body

 

[radienx000]

This naruto chapter ended with madara saying "obito..."

next naruto chapter starts with madara saying "...or should i say kagami"

woooo, ^ proof that tobi is not obito.

 

[radienx000]

Wow the ramen guy as tobi is 4th place in the voting list wooo

 

[Bloodytaste]

Its Obito close this theard xD EDGE! Gimme my McChicken!