Final Villains don't cry: The case against Kaguya

[Zol]

Huh, you sure are running wild with all your threads about how Kaguya isn't the main villain and Madara is...I didn't notice you a few days ago. Do you Madara fanatics take turns in spamming the base with your rants/theories or what? I'm just curiousLol

You still don't bring anything debatable to the table anyway, your "case" wouldn't be accepted to begin with. Yes, Madara didn't get much closure. Yes, he may returns somehow. But his role as the fv is over. Kaguya is the villain, and her crying made her even better. She is fantastic.

 

[Angelic.]

fv's dont turn into women......

ask your japanese freinds how many jrpg's they play where the villian throughout the series is replaced at the end by a god being....

 

[Byron123]

For real? I don't say that she will be the final one but you as argument something as stupid as here tears?

 

[NarutoB]

Huh, you sure are running wild with all your threads about how Kaguya isn't the main villain and Madara is...I didn't notice you a few days ago. Do you Madara fanatics take turns in spamming the base with your rants/theories or what? I'm just curiousLol

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Yeah, it's my turn to make the threads tomorrow

 

[Bronze]

I honestly lack understanding of why Masashi Kishimoto decided to waste weeks drawing and portraying a character so poorly, and the former is foreshadowed to be TNJ'ed by Uzumaki Naruto. I feel it's poor writing and ridiculous. Madara was the type of villain needed to this manga; someone has a sense of cruelty in his heart(making him immune to TNJ), idealist about his goals, and mastermind behind the biggest events occurred in the series.

Oh well, I am not the writer anyway, but I am simply giving my opinion on this subject.​

 

[Zol]

I honestly lack understanding of why Masashi Kishimoto decided to waste weeks drawing and portraying a character so poorly, and the former is foreshadowed to be TNJ'ed by Uzumaki Naruto. I feel it's poor writing and ridiculous. Madara was the type of villain needed to this manga; someone has a sense of cruelty in his heart(making him immune to TNJ), idealist about his goals, and mastermind behind the biggest events occurred in the series.
Oh well, I am not the writer anyway, but I am simply giving my opinion on this subject.​

If that's the type of villain the manga needs, then just relax, Kaguya is exactly that. But of course the thing with the tnj-immunity doesn't apply to both, since Madara was obviously set up for some Izuna-tnj. And now that his whole ideology was revealed as a lie, he will be good if he appears again.

 

[minamoto]

Huh, you sure are running wild with all your threads about how Kaguya isn't the main villain and Madara is...I didn't notice you a few days ago. Do you Madara fanatics take turns in spamming the base with your rants/theories or what? I'm just curiousLol

You still don't bring anything debatable to the table anyway, your "case" wouldn't be accepted to begin with. Yes, Madara didn't get much closure. Yes, he may returns somehow. But his role as the fv is over. Kaguya is the villain, and her crying made her even better. She is fantastic.

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[Byron123]

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And Nagato thought of himself till before his death as a god, was he? NO!

 

[Angelic.]

hashi said madara was a kind man, he was manipulated by bz. also izuna tnj from saskeh.

kaguya is the one who owns at being cunning

 

[uchihaVsenju]

Dude I am a Madara fan myself but you kinda lost there about Madara switched side. I still do believe he'll come back since there still untold storys left and all the build up about Madara the whole time so I still believe he'll come back and we cant assume Kaguya is the final villain yet. Anything could happen cos Kishi writes the story lol. I hope Madara dont switch sides like Obito did. All I want from Madara is just to see the full power of Rinnegan

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

Dude I am a Madara fan myself but you kinda lost there about Madara switched side. I still do believe he'll come back since there still untold storys left and all the build up about Madara the whole time so I still believe he'll come back and we cant assume Kaguya is the final villain yet. Anything could happen cos Kishi writes the story lol. I hope Madara dont switch sides like Obito did. All I want from Madara is just to see the full power of Rinnegan

I agree mostly with the bold text!!

 

[narutoblitz]

More Madara fans than Kaguya fans. Fandom is rejecting Kaguya as a villain. Kishimoto will bring Madara back. Wait and see, guys.

 

[Angelic.]

More Madara fans than Kaguya fans. Fandom is rejecting Kaguya as a villain. Kishimoto will bring Madara back. Wait and see, guys.

since when would he listen to fanboys? that means itachi comes back!!!!!! i guess he'll change his story for you...

 

[MAN OF SIN]

This is actually a good theory. I agree with you that all the changes happened too rapidly and writing Madara off that easily is just ridiculous. The build up for his character was what hundreds of chapters? And now he just died in an instant for the sake of a character with practically no build up (Kaguya).

These narutards just can't look beyond the surface so they call you a troll.

Kaguya is the Juubi dude. The god of the verse that was talked about since the Kage Submit Arc.

 

[minamoto]

Kaguya is the Juubi dude. The god of the verse that was talked about since the Kage Submit Arc.

dont get the wrong idea kaguya isn't the juubi...she was just part of it..she only become powerfull after consuming the fruit of god tree

 

[MAN OF SIN]

dont get the wrong idea kaguya isn't the juubi...she was just part of it..she only become powerfull after consuming the fruit of god tree

The raw states that Shinju+Kaguya=Juubi

"・black zetsu:First off, about 10b...it's not just shinju. but also the mother herself. that(=10b) wasn't the incarnation of shinju trying to get back its chakra fruit but mother's will ...that attempted to get back her chakra distributed to her 2 children."

The Shinju is just a tree with no will of its own. Which Kaguya had merged with, possible after eating the fruit.

 

[Orochimagus]

You don't seem to be reading the comments people are making and seem set on one frame of thought.

Madara's character was one-dimensional and his return to top villain would be absolutely meaningless. The entire purpose was for the Moon's Eye Plan and that was not what he thought it was. He did not know of the nature of the White Zetsu and specially not the black Zetsu. His only good characterization is that he saw himself as savior of the world but actually unleashed Pandora's Box through Kaguya.

If Madara returns, the only character development left for him is to atone for his sins.

As for Kaguya, she was lightly hinted on for a long time now. A lot of people realized someone was spying on Hashirama and Madara. I myself made a theory on how Black Zetsu was watching over both Naruto/Sasuke and Hashirama/Madara from that same spot.

If anything, the only character that still has some sort of secrecy left to him is Orochimaru who could end up stealing the spotlight in the end. He has been built up but has yet to do anything really huge. Let's not forget he has been shown to be more sadistic than Madara himself too.

 

[narutoblitz]

Most fans like Madara more than Oro, and yeah most fans like him more than Kaguya. Again that's just popular opinion. Kaguya isn't FV material. She's a crying woman for God's sake. No pun intended.

 

[narutoblitz]

The raw states that Shinju+Kaguya=Juubi

No it doesn't. "That" is ambiguous. It's not automatically referring to the Juubi. That isn't how pronouns work in japanese language -_-

 

[Orochimagus]

Wow this guy thinks Kishimoto will spit at his religion and the legend of the Princess Kaguya just to please fans who have no respect for the mythology.

And still waiting for that Tobidara thing. How many more chapters?

Crying does not make you weak. It adds layers of character. Sasuke has cried. Naruto has cried. Both of them are high tier power houses.

I'd say someone with this expression is not final villain material.

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Kishi does not let the fans dictate HIS story. Remember how many people like Itashi and Minato, yet Minato has been pretty noobish. People love Kakashi but he was powered down. People want Obito dead yet he's STILL alive. The manga is first and foremost a dedication to the Shinto-Buddhist mythology and Kaguya is an actual goddess. Madara holds no root in mythology and is merely a plot device that led to the reveal of an actual god.