Final Naruto Tier List (END OF SERIES)

[Passerby]

^ Lol fanboys these days.

For 2 years I've seen you say MS Obito>EMS Sausuke. What happened?

 

[Unorthodox]

Gai kicked Madara's ass all around from the beginning to the end of their fight. Madara just survived Gai, literally.

Gai would have died if they did not warp the gudo damas away then add the fact Madara did not use anything but his gudo damas to fight gai and he still won regarless or what nonsense your sprouting.

 

[lndra]

Wouldn't Kinshiki be on a higher tier if he was capable of keeping up with Adult Sasuke's speed?

 

[Itachi san88]

Gai kicked Madara's ass all around from the beginning to the end of their fight. Madara just survived Gai, literally.

Not really.

 

[KidGamer65]

For 2 years I've seen you say MS Obito>EMS Sausuke. What happened?

No, I said ms Obito beats him. It's obvious to anyone who reads the manga that in terms of power, EMS Sasuke dwarfs Obito. You people seriously need to learn how to differentiate power and match ups.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

For 2 years I've seen you say MS Obito>EMS Sausuke. What happened?

Sasuke is more powerfull but in direct battle MS Obito would probably win

 

[TheSages456]

You can't just say "except" PS Chidori. That's beyond anything showcased by Madara.

yup. PS chidori is beyond anything that madaras PS standalone has showcased. featwise, it is below peak madaras full power which would be iso susano(PS+full kurama).

His PS can also fly, has two swords, and has much greater durability feats. He also has one of the top summons, and his Rinnegan He was able to touch TSB despite losing his seal during VOTE. And the Rinnegan, is enough if a hand seal is enough.

all PS can fly. thats directly stated by the databook. madaras PS possesses 2 swords as well and sasukes PS has no sort of durability feat that puts it over madaras PS. im not sure where you are getting your info from.

sasuke never touched tsb after he lost his yin seal and it doesnt matter anyway. tsb dont atomize anything that the user doesnt want them to.
even tobirama grabbed a tsb.

Peak Hashirama is not able to destroy the moon, not is he a big enough threat to out Kakashi, Ay, Gaara, Mei, Sakura, and Oonoki in peril. DMS Kakashi is a timed limited state that is constantly overhyped. He belongs in the tier. It isn't meant to be a ranking, just a tier, it isn't in order.

1. toneri didnt destroy the moon.
2. hashirama doesnt have to match toneris AOE to beat him.

hashiramas level of power wouldnt be enough to make onoki, sakura, kakashi, gaara, mei and Ei worry? :lol

reread the manga and you would see the influence that madaras name alone had on the entire world. you are saying that someone stronger than him would be a nonfactor, which is asinine.

as for DMS kakashi, he retains his power as long as obito is willing to stay in his body. if obito doesnt want to go, kakashi will keep his power.

No. Naruto and Sasuke is what happens when you refine Ashura and Indra. They have actual techniques, and canonically, Indra hasn't displayed Bijuu Perfect Susanoo. Naruto can implement Shadow Clones which is a whole different dimension. Sasuke has techniques and Blaze Release.

what do you mean, they had no techniques? indra invented ninjutsu according to DB4.

asura having no jutsu isnt the same as having no techniques. kaguya possesses no ninjutsu. asura possessed six paths senjutsu.

indra doesnt need to use biju PS. he has the ability to use indras arrow, his own technique.

No. Naruto has Full BSM. The other bijuu, which were his RSM cloak, have left his body to roam. He doesn't have that cloak. Furthermore, the Ashura Avatar requires utmost concentration and a charge time that he only has while something is happening (I. E. Sasuke charging Indra's Arrow). It's like saying Spirit Bomb is effective for Goku as a means to evaluate him.

naruto never had all nine actual biju inside of him. he possessed replicas of them manifested from the chakra that they gave him. he still possesses the chakra of all the biju as stated in the manga and shikamaru hiden.

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"The Nine Tails was still living inside Naruto. There were also remnants of the other 8 bijuu inside him as well. In that way, you could say he was a human pillar for the power of the Ten Tails. In the last war, Obito had become a human pillar for the Ten Tails and gained chakra rivalling that of the Sage of the Six Paths. Naruto, who’d taken the bijuu into him as well, had some of the Sage’s power even now."

his cloak doesnt have to look exactly the same as before. we know that naruto is utilizing six paths sage mode based on his sage-kurama crossed pupils without the pigmentation around the eyes.

Yes it did. All of the Kage were busy fighting Kinshiki except for Gaara, who was still Aiding, just not particularly strained. He isn't a monster, but he is where he is as a Juubito level character.

i think its time that you stop quoting narutopedia. neither the movie or the novel has kinshiki fighting 4 kage.

he fights chojuro and kurotsuchi and has a brief clash with sasuke afterwards in the movie and he only fights chojuro and kurotsuchi in the novel.

And for the below, Rinne Tensei Madara has SM, the Six Paths, and A Limbo. He only lacks PS, which is easily supplemented by Mokuton and above abilities.

all of the abilities you mentioned combined is weaker than a single PS slash.

 

[Omar19992010]

unless sasuke has the yin seal, he doesnt possesses hagoromos chakra(excluding the rinnegans own six paths power obviously).

sasukes PS doesnt have any destructive feat above madaras bar PS chidori. im not sure where you are getting the idea that his PS is more mobile than madaras either..

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"sasukes PS doesnt have any destructive feat above madaras"

 

[TheSages456]

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"sasukes PS doesnt have any destructive feat above madaras"

whats your point? madaras PS can cut through that entire mountain range, therefore it would cut through all of the debris on that panel.

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all of the spread out fragments of a single meteor cover a mountain range. nothing above madaras PS feat wise.

lying doesnt really help your argument.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Alote of flaws but no problem if we have different opinions .

-Hamura needs to go down a tier .

-"Hagromo chakra half" nonsense doesnt exist . DRSM Madara,DMS Kakashi/Obito,Any Rinnegan Sasuke w/o Biju and arguably 1Rinn JJ Madara,Demon Momoshiki should be at the same tier .

-No idea why Toneri and The Last BSM Naruto are that high ,Naruto wasn't utilizing any Rikudo related power ,they both need to go down to vote Madara and Hashirama tier .

-No idea why DMS kakashi/Obito are that low ,I can't believe that you put them a whole tier below people like DRSM Madara and Toneri.

-No way Kinshiki is that high ,he belongs to BM Naruto tier at the very most .

-Assuming kabuto can control EDO Madara , he would be at Vote guys tier.

-Assuming Oro can control Minato to BM ,he would be at BM minato tier,considering that he can't control Edo Hashirama.otherwise,he goes down to Nagato Tier IMO.

-Rinn Tensi Madara isnt higher than his vote self in any shape or form .

-Edo Madara and EMS Madara w/o Kuarma should have their own tier .

-Gai ,while utilizing the 7th gate ,can beat KCM Naruto .thus ,he can probably go up a tier .actually ,gai's whole tier and KCM Naruto Tier should be one tier.

-Rinnegan Obito w/o the Biju can probably go up a tier .

-MS sasuke and war arc SM Naruto can be at the same tier of the likes of Muu,Onki,Kisami, MS Itachi,MS kakashi,MS Shisui,Danzo w/ KA ..etc

 

[Eng nawashi]

whats your point? madaras PS can cut through that entire mountain range, therefore it would cut through all of the debris on that panel.

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all of the spread out fragments of a single meteor cover a mountain range. nothing above madaras PS feat wise.

lying doesnt really help your argument.

Madara would probably be able to cut that piece of rock,but that is just a small part of the whole meteor ,sasuke was litteraly cutting these meteors in half with one slash .EMS Madara can't do that ,DRSM Madara can though IMO.

 

[KidGamer65]

whats your point? madaras PS can cut through that entire mountain range, therefore it would cut through all of the debris on that panel.

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all of the spread out fragments of a single meteor cover a mountain range. nothing above madaras PS feat wise.

lying doesnt really help your argument.

How the actual hell can you be SHOWN A FRAGMENT of the Meteor being just as wide as multiple Mountains, and then go on to say "oh lol Madara can cut through all that and the Meteor in it's full size". Smh. And then you use shit logic like "Madara's PS can cut through that entire Mountain Range, thus it'd cut all the debris in the panel" while ignoring the obvious ass fact that the debris is MUCH LARGER THAN THE MOUNTAINS let alone the full sized Meteor itself.

:lol Denial is too damn strong here.

 

[TheSages456]

Madara would probably be able to cut that piece of rock,but that is just a small part of the whole meteor ,sasuke was litteraly cutting these meteors in half with one slash .EMS Madara can't do that ,DRSM Madara can though IMO.

all of a sudden when it comes to comparing madara to sasuke, madaras PS shockwave cant even go the distance of a mountain range, something that it already chopped down?

why cant madara chop a meteor?

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How the actual hell can you be SHOWN A FRAGMENT of the Meteor being just as wide as multiple Mountains, and then go on to say "oh lol Madara can cut through all that and the Meteor in it's full size". Smh. And then you use shit logic like "Madara's PS can cut through that entire Mountain Range, thus it'd cut all the debris in the panel" while ignoring the obvious ass fact that the debris is MUCH LARGER THAN THE MOUNTAINS let alone the full sized Meteor itself.

:lol Denial is too damn strong here.

if the distance of madaras PS shockwave has the distance to go from one end of that mountain range to the other, that would mean that the shockwave would go through one end of all of the fragments to the other easily. only distance matters here. madara doesnt have to obliterate the meteor, just cut it into smaller pieces. that isnt even open for debate.


moving on, the spread out fragments cover more area than the full meteor itself. that is rather obvious. when water in a bucket spills, it doesnt cover less area than when it was in the bucket. it spreads out.

we could use the scans that compare a full meteor to mountains, but i can already predict the denial that would come forth.

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we get half of a meteor being about 2-3 mountains wide.
there isnt any room for debate here, unless you want to try to assert and substantiate the claim that madara cant cut a distance worth a few mountains.

 

[Lord Tywin]

I'm not going to post again, since this wasn't towards me, but this post should be the end of discussion regarding susanoo difference.

all of a sudden when it comes to comparing madara to sasuke, madaras PS shockwave cant even go the distance of a mountain range, something that it already chopped down?

Madara's slices by feats have shown to bust one mountain, and its shockwave cut the tops of another two. By no way it can cut an entire mountain range.

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You're showing us this scan, while blatantly denying just how much bigger and thicker the "debris" from the meteors Sasuke cut compared to what Madara did.

why cant madara chop a meteor?

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We have better scans comparing the meteors to the mountains since those scans literally put the debris of the said meteors next to mountains.
Look at Madara's susanoo in Obito's barrier

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Look at the shinju compared to the barrier

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See how Shinju makes Madara's susanoo look like an ant?
Look at Madara's feat with one swing of PS

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busted one mountain while cutting the top parts of the other two, which these mountains were a little bit bigger than PS.

So tell me again, how is Madara going to cut down meteors with fragments far larger than mountain ranges? Not to mention that this fragment

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Is the smallest of fragments shown from the meteors, if you look at the fragments behind it

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And these fragments shown are once piece in hundred in Madara's CT.
Tell me again how Madara can cut it again? No, don't bother, because I know it's going to look more bullshit than the cow shits you see in a dairy farm.

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if the distance of madaras PS shockwave has the distance to go from one end of that mountain range to the other, that would mean that the shockwave would go through one end of all of the fragments to the other easily. only distance matters here. madara doesnt have to obliterate the meteor, just cut it into smaller pieces. that isnt even open for debate.


moving on, the spread out fragments cover more area than the full meteor itself. that is rather obvious. when water in a bucket spills, it doesnt cover less area than when it was in the bucket. it spreads out.

we could use the scans that compare a full meteor to mountains, but i can already predict the denial that would come forth.

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we get half of a meteor being about 2-3 mountains wide.
there isnt any room for debate here, unless you want to try to assert and substantiate the claim that madara cant cut a distance worth a few mountains.

Addressed every single point of this shit.

 

[KidGamer65]

if the distance of madaras PS shockwave has the distance to go from one end of that mountain range to the other, that would mean that the shockwave would go through one end of all of the fragments to the other easily. only distance matters here. madara doesnt have to obliterate the meteor, just cut it into smaller pieces. that isnt even open for debate.

Distance would be the only factor if you could actually prove that fragment=Mountain in durability, but considering:

1. You can't.
2. That's false as the Fragment dwarfs a Mountain in literally every possible way.

No, distance obviously isn't the only thing that matters.

moving on, the spread out fragments cover more area than the full meteor itself. that is rather obvious. when water in a bucket spills, it doesnt cover less area than when it was in the bucket. it spreads out.

:lol Obviously. But based on what you are saying you clearly aren't looking at the panel correctly. The panel shows a single fragment being just as wide as every single Mountain you circled, so once again, how in the world does that equate to Madara cutting through an entire Meteor? That scan shows the fragments piled on top of each other, not spread out, but that's even irrelevant since once again, only a single fragment covering the same distance as those Mountains, but dwarfs them in size. Thus the entire thing dwarfs the fragment, which dwarfs that Mountain Range.

At best Madara would cut through that single fragment, but even then you can't prove he can cut through that fragment since your only argument is "distance is all that matters" even though it isn't when durability isn't the same.

we could use the scans that compare a full meteor to mountains, but i can already predict the denial that would come forth.

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we get half of a meteor being about 2-3 mountains wide.
there isnt any room for debate here, unless you want to try to assert and substantiate the claim that madara cant cut a distance worth a few mountains.

Once again, 100% incorrect. Perspective is the only thing I need to mention to kill your nonsense comparison. Not sure why you'd even try to assert this when you literally have a scan of a FRAGMENT being as wide as more than 2-3 Mountains. Unless you want to assert that Fragment=Full Sized Meteor=Mountain Range in size then it's clear your scan doesn't even work. A scan showing them literally on top of each other will always trump any other flawed comparison you can bring, especially when the perspective screws up said comparison.

Then there's the fact that PS is the size of a Mountain, yet the Shinju is at the very least the same size as the barrier that Obito made. The same barrier that dwarfs PS. So tell me how PS=Mountain<<<<Shinju, but Shinju=Meteor=Mountain=PS=Barrier? Makes no sense.

Hell, we can even throw in the fact that Nagato's CT dwarfs a regular Mountain, and Madara's CT dwarfs Nagato's, thus Madara's CT dwarfs regular Mountains.

Only thing I agree on is that there is no room for debate here. You are clearly wrong.

 

[TheSages456]

I'm not going to post again, since this wasn't towards me, but this post should be the end of discussion regarding susanoo difference.

thats good then. dont waste my time with nonsense like this.

Madara's slices by feats have shown to bust one mountain, and its shockwave cut the tops of another two. By no way it can cut an entire mountain range.

it only cut 2 mountains because only 2 mountains were in the path of the shockwave.

no, its limit is not 2 mountains and yes, madaras PS can cut a mountain range.

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its already been shown how much damage sasukes PS causes with a single slash. this isnt above madaras power, not even close.

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it took countless swings from power of this level in order to completely cut up a meteor.

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You're showing us this scan, while blatantly denying just how much bigger and thicker the "debris" from the meteors Sasuke cut compared to what Madara did.

do any of the fragments extend past the distance that madaras PS shockwave was shown to travel? nope.
can madaras PS cut them? yes.

its really that simple.

We have better scans comparing the meteors to the mountains since those scans literally put the debris of the said meteors next to mountains.

no, you dont have "better scans". you're cherrypicking certain scans, exaggerating them and throwing out whatever is inconvenient to your argument.

and the spread out debris doesnt span any farther than a mountan range as blatantly shown. you're speculating how big a full meteor is compared to mountains based on its spread out rubble, but we already saw how big a full meteor is compared to mountains. you have no argument.

the manga has already rejected your extrapolation of this panel.

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let me say this as simply as possible.

this is a full meteors size compared to mountains.

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Look at Madara's susanoo in Obito's barrier

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Look at the shinju compared to the barrier

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See how Shinju makes Madara's susanoo look like an ant?
Look at Madara's feat with one swing of PS

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busted one mountain while cutting the top parts of the other two, which these mountains were a little bit bigger than PS.

so what if the shinju is bigger than PS?
based on the distance a slash of madaras PS has achieved,

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it would cleave the shinju without effort. the shinjus stump isnt the size of a mountain range in width.
you're acting like the shockwave suddenly stops after going through one mountain.

So tell me again, how is Madara going to cut down meteors with fragments far larger than mountain ranges? Not to mention that this fragment

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Is the smallest of fragments shown from the meteors, if you look at the fragments behind it

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And these fragments shown are once piece in hundred in Madara's CT.
Tell me again how Madara can cut it again? No, don't bother, because I know it's going to look more bullshit than the cow shits you see in a dairy farm.

anyone with a brain would know how stupid this is. the fragment i pointed out is the biggest in that panel and none of the fragments are far larger than mountain ranges.

none of the fragments individually are anywhere near as tall as a mountain range is wide.

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Addressed every single point of this shit.

indeed you did, but addressing something=/=refuting it.

 

[Lord Tywin]

:lol .

 

[TheSages456]

Distance would be the only factor if you could actually prove that fragment=Mountain in durability, but considering:

1. You can't.
2. That's false as the Fragment dwarfs a Mountain in literally every possible way.

No, distance obviously isn't the only thing that matters.

what durability feats do madaras CT possess that suggest that madaras PS couldnt cut them?

:lol Obviously. But based on what you are saying you clearly aren't looking at the panel correctly. The panel shows a single fragment being just as wide as every single Mountain you circled, so once again, how in the world does that equate to Madara cutting through an entire Meteor? That scan shows the fragments piled on top of each other, not spread out, but that's even irrelevant since once again, only a single fragment covering the same distance as those Mountains, but dwarfs them in size. Thus the entire thing dwarfs the fragment, which dwarfs that Mountain Range.

you are claiming that meteors fragments arent spread out? that would mean that you are claiming that 1 meteor width wise=the mountain range shown in this scan,

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then you would be conceding that madaras PS could cut it since a mountain range is the distance that the shockwave of his PS was shown to travel.

madaras PS shockwave would chop any of the mountains it came into contact with in this panel, then travel even further off-panel.

yes, the full meteor is much bigger than the fragment in height and width. you cant prove that its bigger to the extent that madaras PS cant chop them, especially since we already know how big a full meteor is compared to mountains.

At best Madara would cut through that single fragment, but even then you can't prove he can cut through that fragment since your only argument is "distance is all that matters" even though it isn't when durability isn't the same.

im going to need a scan of these "durability feats" that these meteors possess, not arbitrary assumptions about them being super durable.

Once again, 100% incorrect. Perspective is the only thing I need to mention to kill your nonsense comparison. Not sure why you'd even try to assert this when you literally have a scan of a FRAGMENT being as wide as more than 2-3 Mountains. Unless you want to assert that Fragment=Full Sized Meteor=Mountain Range in size then it's clear your scan doesn't even work. A scan showing them literally on top of each other will always trump any other flawed comparison you can bring, especially when the perspective screws up said comparison.

the meteors are closer to the camera than the mountains. asserting that perspective screws things up isnt an acceptable argument.
its 100% impossible for the mountains to look bigger compared to a meteor than usual, when they are farther from the camera than the meteor.

Then there's the fact that PS is the size of a Mountain, yet the Shinju is at the very least the same size as the barrier that Obito made. The same barrier that dwarfs PS. So tell me how PS=Mountain<<<<Shinju, but Shinju=Meteor=Mountain=PS=Barrier? Makes no sense.

taking into account the size of PS compared to the barrier,

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a shockwave from a slash of madaras PS would go from one end of obitos barrier all the way to the other based on this alone,

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so even if you claim that shinju trunk=barrier width wise(its not), madaras PS still cuts it with ease, thus would cut up the roughly equally as wide meteors.

Hell, we can even throw in the fact that Nagato's CT dwarfs a regular Mountain, and Madara's CT dwarfs Nagato's, thus Madara's CT dwarfs regular Mountains.

madaras CT can dwarf nagatos and still be within the ability of PS to chop. this is irrelevant.

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[KidGamer65]

what durability feats do madaras CT possess that suggest that madaras PS couldnt cut them?

:lol Madara's feats cap out at wrecking Mountain Ranges as you've shown. Thus if you want to claim that he can cut something far larger than that, then you are going to have to prove it. How durable they are exactly is irrelevant. All we need to know is that they are far far more durable (as they are far far larger than that Mountain Range when you take all forms of size into account and not just width) than anything Madara has ever cut before in this Manga.

you are claiming that meteors fragments arent spread out? that would mean that you are claiming that 1 meteor width wise=the mountain range shown in this scan,

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panel shows nothing but a fragment of said Meteor. This panel also shows that 4 Mountains are just about as wide as said fragment. Unless you are arguing that this fragment=the full meteor in size, or you are arguing that this fragment IS the full meteor (neither make a shred of sense) there is no way you can even come to the conclusion that 1 Meteor width wise=the Mountain Range in that scan. The other fragments being spread out has nothing to do with anything here because only a single fragment is shown being as wide as said Mountains.

So no, I'm claiming Meteor>>>>Fragment=Mountain Range in width.

then you would be conceding that madaras PS could cut it since a mountain range is the distance that the shockwave of his PS was shown to travel.

Not really since the first point doesn't even make sense.

madaras PS shockwave would chop any of the mountains it came into contact with in this panel, then travel even further off-panel.

Yes, the Mountains. Not the CT.

yes, the full meteor is much bigger than the fragment in height and width. you cant prove that its bigger to the extent that madaras PS cant chop them, especially since we already know how big a full meteor is compared to mountains.

But that's not my job. Your job is to prove he can cut something far more durable than a Mountain Range when his best feat is cutting a Mountain Range. "His shockwave being able to travel that distance" isn't even evidence. Doesn't even help your point that the full sized Meteor is far far wider than the Mountain Range in the first place.

im going to need a scan of these "durability feats" that these meteors possess, not arbitrary assumptions about them being super durable.

I'm going to need a scan of Madara being able to cut something that dwarfs what he cut in durability. If you ask how, all you need to do is look at the difference in size. Same reason why a boulder isn't as durable as a Mountain. Due to the difference in size. Nothing else as they are all formed from the earth.

the meteors are closer to the camera than the mountains. asserting that perspective screws things up isnt an acceptable argument.
its 100% impossible for the mountains to look bigger compared to a meteor than usual, when they are farther from the camera than the meteor.

Which would mean that in reality they should look smaller, which either means that:

-Those Mountains are ridiculously large.
-Shinju is smaller than a Mountain.

Neither of which are true, thus the comparison that actually shows them on top of each other is the comparison that is used, and not a comparison that doesn't work due to Kishimoto's flawed scaling. Even if you don't want to believe that Kishimoto's scaling is flawed in this panel, the scan that shows fragments literally sitting on top of Meteors and character statements and feats go against any and all notion of "Meteor=Mountain in Size"?

How in the world are you even claiming Meteor=Mountain in this section of your post, but then claiming that the fragment of the Meteor (or the Meteor itself)=4 Mountains in width?

taking into account the size of PS compared to the barrier,

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a shockwave from a slash of madaras PS would go from one end of obitos barrier all the way to the other based on this alone,

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Yes, Madara's slash would cover that distance.

so even if you claim that shinju trunk=barrier width wise(its not), madaras PS still cuts it with ease, thus would cut up the roughly equally as wide meteors.

But this is irrelevant since you'd have to show that the Shinju=Those Meteors in durability, or that the Shinju>Those Meteors in durability. Not sure why you think the distance it travels=the limit of what it can cut, but that makes no sense. Someone's sword can make a shockwave that crosses 10m, and cut a 10m long rock in two, yet the same blade can fail against a 10m steel simply because it'd have to use more of it's energy to get past the steel than it would the rock.

Equally as wide=/=Equally as durable thus your whole comparison falls flat on it's face.

madaras CT can dwarf nagatos and still be within the ability of PS to chop. this is irrelevant.

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But it shows that your whole argument makes zero sense since you are claiming that a single Meteor=A single Mountain, yet Nagato's CT dwarfs a single Mountain. Whether it be width, height or overall size.

 

[TheSages456]

:lol Madara's feats cap out at wrecking Mountain Ranges as you've shown. Thus if you want to claim that he can cut something far larger than that, then you are going to have to prove it. How durable they are exactly is irrelevant. All we need to know is that they are far far more durable (as they are far far larger than that Mountain Range when you take all forms of size into account and not just width) than anything Madara has ever cut before in this Manga.

are the meteors bigger height wise than a mountain range is wide? thats the correct question to be posing, not whether or not the meteor is taller than an individual mountain in height.

are the meteors bigger height wise than width wise?

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yes, very slightly. not enough for you to have a point.

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panel shows nothing but a fragment of said Meteor. This panel also shows that 4 Mountains are just about as wide as said fragment. Unless you are arguing that this fragment=the full meteor in size, or you are arguing that this fragment IS the full meteor (neither make a shred of sense) there is no way you can even come to the conclusion that 1 Meteor width wise=the Mountain Range in that scan. The other fragments being spread out has nothing to do with anything here because only a single fragment is shown being as wide as said Mountains.

So no, I'm claiming Meteor>>>>Fragment=Mountain Range in width.

the mountain range consists of all the mountains on that panel. claiming that the one fragment=a mountain range is pure dishonesty. it clearly isnt as big as a mountain range.

Not really since the first point doesn't even make sense.

you claimed that the meteor fragments were not spread out, correct? then all of the meteor would be right there on the panel in the form of its fragments, which only cover a mountain range.

Yes, the Mountains. Not the CT.



But that's not my job. Your job is to prove he can cut something far more durable than a Mountain Range when his best feat is cutting a Mountain Range. "His shockwave being able to travel that distance" isn't even evidence. Doesn't even help your point that the full sized Meteor is far far wider than the Mountain Range in the first place.

@bold-based on what? you still havent substantiated this.

I'm going to need a scan of Madara being able to cut something that dwarfs what he cut in durability. If you ask how, all you need to do is look at the difference in size. Same reason why a boulder isn't as durable as a Mountain. Due to the difference in size. Nothing else as they are all formed from the earth.

why would you think that madaras CT is pound for pound more durable than a mountain? thats your job to prove. CT is simply existing rock pulled from the earth, towards the core.

Which would mean that in reality they should look smaller, which either means that:

-Those Mountains are ridiculously large.
-Shinju is smaller than a Mountain.

um, no. none of these are whats required to substantiate my claim and the scan doesnt in the least bit imply that the shinju is smaller than a mountain.
the distance in the case, isnt enough to skew the size difference.

Neither of which are true, thus the comparison that actually shows them on top of each other is the comparison that is used, and not a comparison that doesn't work due to Kishimoto's flawed scaling. Even if you don't want to believe that Kishimoto's scaling is flawed in this panel, the scan that shows fragments literally sitting on top of Meteors and character statements and feats go against any and all notion of "Meteor=Mountain in Size"?

How in the world are you even claiming Meteor=Mountain in this section of your post, but then claiming that the fragment of the Meteor (or the Meteor itself)=4 Mountains in width?

i want you to quote exactly where i said "meteor=mountain". the scan i provided magically "not working" doesnt fly here. these are the only scans which show a full meteor compared to mountains and there isnt any inconsistency between these 2 scans.

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Yes, Madara's slash would cover that distance.

so this debate is over then since the shockwave of madaras PS can easily travel the distance of obitos barrier, which is >shinju stump in width, which is equal to a meteor in width.

But this is irrelevant since you'd have to show that the Shinju=Those Meteors in durability, or that the Shinju>Those Meteors in durability. Not sure why you think the distance it travels=the limit of what it can cut, but that makes no sense. Someone's sword can make a shockwave that crosses 10m, and cut a 10m long rock in two, yet the same blade can fail against a 10m steel simply because it'd have to use more of it's energy to get past the steel than it would the rock.

Equally as wide=/=Equally as durable thus your whole comparison falls flat on it's face.

but you cant prove that CT is more durable than a mountain pound for pound so this is moot. you are just assuming it is.
smashing a bunch of rocks together isnt going to create a construct pound for pound more durable than before. unless CT is bringing them together at a molecular level, you dont have a point.

But it shows that your whole argument makes zero sense since you are claiming that a single Meteor=A single Mountain, yet Nagato's CT dwarfs a single Mountain. Whether it be width, height or overall size.

where are you getting this from? i never claimed that madaras meteor=single mountain. i said that the spread out fragments covered a mountain range width wise, so the fully intact meteor would cover less.
a full meteor would obviously cover the amount of area that its fragment did and more, but to the extent that you want to claim? nope, you cant even substantiate it.

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using my logic, madaras CT is still bigger than nagatos in all dimensions. this point is moot.