[Discussion] Fight for equality!

[Omega]

Before reading. Some of these excerpts you have seen before so to save you from reading you can just skip/skim through the ones you know and still get the main point of this post. That point being. Where do you draw the line? Is there even a line to draw? And are we now on a slippery slope? Although some might draw the line as early as the first excerpt(LOL, pretty bad), it's still a good question. If you take into account all the things you hear; it becomes a hard question to answer without becoming a hypocrite.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it.-Quoted from Decleration of Independence

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"I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today!..."-Martin Luther King
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"There is a calculated system of prejudice that lies unspoken behind that question. Why is it acceptable for women to be secretaries, librarians, and teachers, but totally unacceptable for them to be managers, administrators, doctors, lawyers, and Members of Congress.
The unspoken assumption is that women are different. They do not have executive ability orderly minds, stability, leadership skills, and they are too emotional

It has been observed before, that society for a long time, discriminated against another minority, the blacks, on the same basis - that they were different and inferior. The happy little homemaker and the contented "old darkey" on the plantation were both produced by prejudice..." -Shirley Chisholm
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"I am talking about gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people, human beings born free and given bestowed equality and dignity, who have a right to claim that, which is now one of the remaining human rights challenges of our time. I speak about this subject knowing that my own country’s record on human rights for gay people is far from perfect..."-Hillary Clinton
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"One of several conversations that have started due to the story is the notion of being "trans-racial."

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, NYU sociology professor Ann Morning believes "that just like some people are transgender, others may be trans-racial - identifying more with a race other than their own." Morning said, "We’re getting more and more used to the idea that people’s racial affiliation and identity and sense of belonging can change, or can vary, with different circumstances..."-Ben Yakas
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(inspired by the post in this forum of the guy who wants to be a six year old. xD)
"In this day and age where everyone is considered equal and free from persecution I stand here before you to call for equality for transage people. No longer should we be bound by the laws that restrict based on age for I do not identify with the particular age the government confines me or others like me. Personally I identify with a senior citizen and I am on my way to retiring. Others identify with children and the list goes on. I cannot help I was born this way. I cannot help that my rights are being infringed. We only wish to be accepted and free from persecution.."-Unknown
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"I've never loved anyone or anything more than my pet dog Rosie. Why shouldn't we have the right to get married. It is 20XX and its time for people to stop being so closed minded. We aren't hurting anyone and we're happy. The kids love Rosie. I think it starts with the schools. If we educated more children on beastiality then there would be less bullying and more acceptance of our community. The time for action is now..."-Unknown
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"The government has done well in the past few years but there are glaring infringements on a particular community...children. The government defines an adult as someone as an adult when they are 18; however, who decided this should be law. Who decided this was when you are an adult. Defining an adult is the same as robbing an entire community of their rights. Children are created equal and no one is greater than another person. They should be able to make their own choices without having their rights infringes upon. Children should have the right to marriage, the right to drink, and laws punishing those for having sexual contact with "minors" should be abolished. We have already seen rights given to transage persons. That just shows how much of a man made principle age really is..."-Unknown.

Must admit some of these sound quite stupid and HIGHLY IMPROBABLE. You know the ones I'm talking about. LOL, but if you think about it, isn't that what we thought about these things (the ones that actually happened) before they actually you know HAPPENED. Plus before today I never thought someone would get away with being a grown man who suddenly decides to be a six year old girl and then finding a family who takes care of him. 0_0. Who is to say the last three or (even last 4 or 5) don't become a big deal in the future? Where does the line gets drawn and how does one determine what that line is. If you think a line should be drawn why didn't you draw the line earlier for similar situations? What makes your personal beliefs an exception? Does a line get drawn at all? (I sound like that dude who does movie trailers. LOL) I'm not saying what's right or wrong but I'm just laying it out there for a discussion because its pretty interesting to think about.

 

[Melanin]

We are the world..
We are the children..
We are the ones whole a brighter day so let's start giving..

 

[FreakensteinAG]

That quote by Hillary Clinton advocating for LGBT rights is misleading, since she has also advocated for NO LGBT rights. She flip flops more than Mitt Romney did. No LGBT rights, LGBT rights. We need to break up the big banks, but wait, the big banks give me money! We shouldn't spend any money fighting this war, but wait, I voted yes on the Iraq War! You'd be hard-pressed to find someone with an equal or worse voting record.

 

[Omega]

That quote by Hillary Clinton advocating for LGBT rights is misleading, since she has also advocated for NO LGBT rights. She flip flops more than Mitt Romney did.

Point missed? xD I actually already know that but I was just having a quote to show for the different rights being fought for. She may flip flop but it doesn't change the fact that she HAS advocated for them. If I was going to do a thread focusing on her I would have more concise sources. My point is to show that there is a constant need "for equality" and it is capable of getting out of hand. But in a many years "out of hand" might just be normal or close to it.

 

[HashiraMadara SenjUchiha]

dude it's too early in the morning for that

 

[Lyanna Stark]

COMMENT TIME

Ok so putting personal knowledge of the people who made the quotes aside and going by the quotes themselves I agree with all down to and including hilarys. All mentioned in them quotes do deserve equality for who are we mere mean and women to choose who does what,Who likes what,who likes who.
I'm not commenting on the beast cause that should be kept private if your indulging in such things.
In terms of the child one ...can whoever said that please report themselves into the nearest cops station? I have nothing against equality but when you bring children into it and try to say they should be able to do what we adults/near adults do that's over the line. Having only graduated recently i know and have seen the stupidity and cruelty that children of this generation or at least Australian children can do.

So yes on the last two quotes i would say the whole equality thing has gone a little too far.

 

[Urda]

Bestiality is going overboard because they **** crazy, whereas the age limit is a slippery slope because somethings can be adjusted. Age is just a number.

 

[Lyanna Stark]

Bestiality is going overboard because they **** crazy, whereas the age limit is a slippery slope because somethings can be adjusted. Age is just a number.

Yes age is just a number its more the maturity of them that counts.In the same thought line because they have only lived for a small amount of time their exposure to certain things are limited and warped in their perceptions so it would be difficult to put a general age limit/need on things.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Okay, here are the problems with all the ones suggested after LGBT Rights.

Race is a man made construct, with no actual scientific basis. Also, (Hopefully) in this day and age you can get equal treatment regardless of race. So being "Transracial" is pointless.

Age isn't like Gender or Race. You can't be born a 6 year old, and you can't decide to be a 6 year old.

Marrying Animals might seem okay from the Human's point of view, but there's no way to know if the Animal consents because there's no way an Animal could understand how human marriage works.

Childrens Rights is inherently stupid. They're going to get all those rights in between 1 day and 18 years, depending on age. So there's no reason to fight for it. Sure, the difference between being 17 years and 364 days old, and being 18 is very little, but they needed a decent number to set it too.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No to Bestiality and pedophilia.
Indifferent to transracial and transage, especially that last one. If the people in your life are compliant, who gives a shit? It's not like you're trying to eat your own veins.

Bestiality is going overboard because they **** crazy, whereas the age limit is a slippery slope because somethings can be adjusted. Age is just a number.

No its not. *** can be physically and mentally harmful if it's too early.

 

[Lyanna Stark]

No to Bestiality and pedophilia.
Indifferent to transracial and transage, especially that last one. If the people in your life are compliant, who gives a shit? It's not like you're trying to eat your own veins.


No its not. *** can be physically and mentally harmful if it's too early.

Some could argue that if they were prepared and taught then the effects might lesson.But yeh its still not right. question should be what age is too young? personally anything 14- far to young.And that's for my age (17) generally i think 15 is the absolute BASELINE for any kind of relationship. as its the age where the hormones start settling down and what not.

 

[Urda]

No to Bestiality and pedophilia.
Indifferent to transracial and transage, especially that last one. If the people in your life are compliant, who gives a shit? It's not like you're trying to eat your own veins.


No its not. *** can be physically and mentally harmful if it's too early.

What is considered to early?

 

[Wparker6804]

dude it's too early in the morning for that

Hey, 5PM here was 15 hours ago!

 

[Karna]

Beastiality and Pedophelia are wrond because they harm others/animals and you can't be a ***** to a dog or dog to a *****, just like a monkey can't replace you and you can't replace a monkey in it's family, animals coexist with us, have evolved with us and aren't just tools for us- or our inferior relatives i.e less then us. Pedo causes damage to kids both physically and mentally- albeit people say it's misunderstood as abuser are kids in their head but no amount of that is gonna ever justify in any world the victim's pain, neither excuse anything, so give them therapy at best. As for transracial goes, race sin't even a thing- it's known and someone fitting in one culture despite being borne in another isn't really surprising, hell being Indian I find Black culture more familiar then white, so if someone feels like they belong in another one given how they are borns, that's not a big deal, as for transage I disagree, it's not healthy for any individual since you don't really change your hormone levels or any physical development and they are probably sick people who needs to see a shrink.

Also I disagree with kids being allowed to make decisions like drinking etc.