Feudal Lords and Peace

[trucker]

The whole existence of Feudal Lords seems to disrupt the whole manga. First, where did they come from? We have learned that in the beginning Narutoverse was composed of several small clans fighting with each other, similar to acient China. Hashirama and Madara developed the village system which combined the small clans within a specific region. Hashirama was the leader of this village, so why would he pledge loyalty to some one who did nothing to help the clans or establish peace.

Second, it seems that the major villages are ran by the Kages like a business. The Kage being the General Manager and the Feudal Lords being the owner of the business. The Kages have to report to the Feudal Lords and make money for the Feudal Lords by doing missions and fighting. Most of the conflicts in Naruto are based on different interests between Nations, i.e., feudal lords, or other business men that have opposing financial interests to the person that hires a village for protection. These conflicts are what give rise to the animosity and grudges between different villages. So it seems that this cycle of hate constantly referred to in Naruto manga, begins with the desire/need to please the Feudal Lords by making money, going on missions, and fighting during those missions.

So even if Naruto can convince all the ninja to forgive and forget and stop fighting out of hatred, there won't be peace in Narutoverse as long as the Villages have to appease the Feudal Lords. They will still have to make money and in turn they will still have to go on missions and fight. The only way to achieve peace is to abandon the way of the Ninja. They will have to all agree to no longer fight each other, which will mean that there is no more need for missions, and no way for them to make money and make a living as a ninja. But I just can't see this happening in the end of Naruto, if for no other reason than without Ninjas and the village system there will be no Hokage, and that has been Naruto's ultimate goal from the beginning.

So why did Kishi even create the Feudal Lords? He doesn't seem to create characters for no reason, they all play some part in the development of the plot. They don't seem to serve any purpose other than to propogate the system that Naruto is trying to fix.

 

[paratise]

They don't seem to serve any purpose other than to propogate the system that Naruto is trying to fix.

That can be a purpose.
And countries do not consist of hidden villages; there are other parts of them; for ex in land of fire there is Konoha, but there are also others districts. They deal with the economy.

But i do not like them; bunch of lame politicians.

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

The Feudal Lords were before the villages were created, and also were the countries. The Senju and Uchiha were hired/employed by the Fire Country, most likely by it's Feudal Lord, and created the Hidden Leaf village. That's what happened to all the other Hidden villages too.

So, as you can see, the Feudal Lords were the ones that actually allowed there to be Hidden villages. The Feudal Lord is like the president of the country and the Hokage is like the mayor of the capital city, in this case village.

 

[abhiken]

once the countries were established..feudal lords were appointed to make countries economically stable..they probably deal with a country's economy

 

[trucker]

That can be a purpose.
And countries do not consist of hidden villages; there are other parts of them; for ex in land of fire there is Konoha, but there are also others districts. They deal with the economy.

But i do not like them; bunch of lame politicians.

That's my point. The Manga talks about the fated one bringing peace to the world. And to defeat Madara and have all the Ninja declare peace between themselves is pointless when their Feudal Lord continues to demand money and missions from them. There can be no peace when there are these people who have power and propogate conflict with other nations.

The Feudal Lords were before the villages were created, and also were the countries. The Senju and Uchiha were hired/employed by the Fire Country, most likely by it's Feudal Lord, and created the Hidden Leaf village. That's what happened to all the other Hidden villages too.

So, as you can see, the Feudal Lords were the ones that actually allowed there to be Hidden villages. The Feudal Lord is like the president of the country and the Hokage is like the mayor of the capital city, in this case village.

Where are you getting this notion that the Hidden Leaf was founded by the Feudal Lords paying the Uchiha and Senju to set it up? In the chapters where Hashirama is explaining things to Sasuke, its clear that the Hidden Leaf was solely the brain child of Hashirama and Madara in order to attempt peace. There was no mention as to a Feudal Lord having any part of it.

What kind of power do these Feudal Lords have to "allow" the likes of Hashirama or Madara to do anything? Ninja fight for money. Its their job and without it they starve or become peaceful farmers or do some other nonviolent job. There can be no peace with competing Ninja Villages, they have to fight to live.

The only solution I can even fathom in Naruto where there is peace and Ninjas; the Ninjas give up taking jobs against other Nations and simply perform a police function in their respective nation. This will drastically reduce the number of Ninjas that are necessary, putting several Ninja out of work. The only threat to this system would be rogue ninjas who team up like the Akatsuki, which is possible with a high unemployment rate among Ninja.

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

Where are you getting this notion that the Hidden Leaf was founded by the Feudal Lords paying the Uchiha and Senju to set it up? In the chapters where Hashirama is explaining things to Sasuke, its clear that the Hidden Leaf was solely the brain child of Hashirama and Madara in order to attempt peace. There was no mention as to a Feudal Lord having any part of it.

What kind of power do these Feudal Lords have to "allow" the likes of Hashirama or Madara to do anything? Ninja fight for money. Its their job and without it they starve or become peaceful farmers or do some other nonviolent job. There can be no peace with competing Ninja Villages, they have to fight to live.

The only solution I can even fathom in Naruto where there is peace and Ninjas; the Ninjas give up taking jobs against other Nations and simply perform a police function in their respective nation. This will drastically reduce the number of Ninjas that are necessary, putting several Ninja out of work. The only threat to this system would be rogue ninjas who team up like the Akatsuki, which is possible with a high unemployment rate among Ninja.

First, please read what I write carefully, cuz I never said that the Hidden Leaf village was founded by a Feudal Lord.

Second, what do you mean what kind of power do the Feudal Lord have. . . they are the head of a country for god's sake.

And what about the "the likes of Hashirama or Madara"? They were not barbarians to attack the country and take over. That's why the joind with the Fire Country and than built the Hidden Leaf village.

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