Feminism: Your Thoughts

[Mari Makinami]

I agree with you, seriously. Yet, we all fall under one category, human. I don't believe that one should be judged by his/her number of limbs, or by strength, but by impact and character. A man could be the strongest in the world, but what if he didn't do anything for it? Then is he greater than Einstein, someone who is not remebered by his strength, but impact on the world? If you think a man's worth is deducted by strength, then you must really think lowely of men. Men and women both have great potential in this wolrld. They could both become a war hero, someone who saved many lives; cure cancer, improve the world's technology, and more. A teenage girl saved hundreds of lives by remembering signs of a Tsunami in her Geography class. A man could do that as well. This just suggests that men and women alike are the same, given by birth the same potential.

I never told we do not fall under one category, nor I told that both woman and man cant do outstanding things or be absolutely useless. But you're being off-topic, which is equality. No, woman and man are not equal, no one is equal to another. Even in ALL rights we're not: we all are SUPPOSED to share some common rights that fit for every human being since the day it is born, but we end up having different rights and responsibilities, every single one of us, depending on our gender, social status, territory where we live, and, in the end, everything we were born with. It's not a secret that the're places in the world where people do not even have basic human rights, which is, without a doubt, a bad thing. We should have SOME equal rights, but the idea that ALL of our rights are equal is not only foolish, but also not realistic. Rights depend on responsibilities, and people have different responsibilities. A school boy do not have all the rights a president have - simple example, I think I explained it well enough.

 

[WithDemonsToLeanOn]

Tough site to ask that question on. Mostly because you're either gonna mostly get sexist responses or trolls/people who wont take it seriously.

As for me, I think feminist are great and I fully believe in equality. Though I'm not in supposrt of the the extremist feminist. You know, the kind that are like "screw all men, men are disgusting pigs. All of them are horrible and deserve to die."

I also use Tumblr, so I see that kind of stuff very often. The radical, extremist kind of feminist. It's disgusting. I don't like hate, and I think sexism is wrong in general. Hate of any kind is wrong to me.

 

[EnDash]

i think feminism is a great idea and a cause and i'm 100% all for it.

however i also think that many feminist organisations have lost their way and put more pressure on hating men and hating organisations (like companies, universities, the government) without a strong female presence. i admit i don't follow the feminist movement that closely but what i do see consists of only hate and only criticism.

even this beyonce quote, it says a lot about everything our society is doing wrong, but it speaks very little about equality and rights. i'm sorry but it just feels more like a blaming game and a witch hunt then promoting equal rights. it says "you're doing it wrong" more then it says "you should do that instead".

 

[reizon]

Thats exactly my parents Lol. They think my life goal is just to get married.

I think thats a pretty comfortable life...!!

or are you worried that your mother in law will forbid you from using narutobase.??

 

[China IL]

I never told we do not fall under one category, nor I told that both woman and man cant do outstanding things or be absolutely useless. But you're being off-topic, which is equality. No, woman and man are not equal, no one is equal to another. Even in ALL rights we're not: we all are SUPPOSED to share some common rights that fit for every human being since the day it is born, but we end up having different rights and responsibilities, every single one of us, depending on our gender, social status, territory where we live, and, in the end, everything we were born with. It's not a secret that the're places in the world where people do not even have basic human rights, which is, without a doubt, a bad thing. We should have SOME equal rights, but the idea that ALL of our rights are equal is not only foolish, but also not realistic. Rights depend on responsibilities, and people have different responsibilities. A school boy do not have all the rights a president have - simple example, I think I explained it well enough.

You didn't counter anything I said really. If anything, you encouraged it. The bloded only enlightens what i said before. A school boy has not done half the things that the president has. Like i said before, humans should be judges by impact and character. I'm not arguing equality, which is why I avoided countering your comment on Russia and homosexuals. My counter stands, all humans are equal, no matter what conditon. The only thing that really matters is your impact and character, no matter who you are, I believe that trully previals all counters you could come up with.

 

[Mari Makinami]

You didn't counter anything I said really. If anything, you encouraged it. The bloded only enlightens what i said before. A school boy has not done half the things that the president has. Like i said before, humans should be judges by impact and character. I'm not arguing equality, which is why I avoided countering your comment on Russia and homosexuals. My counter stands, all humans are equal, no matter what conditon. The only thing that really matters is your impact and character, no matter who you are, I believe that trully previals all counters you could come up with.

Yes I did, on logical level. It doesnt matter if it makes you react with regection or understanding, these are only emotions. Your thesis about people being equal holds no argument under it, while I provided you with mine. People are equal only in the fact that they must have the right to attune more rights. Every child must have a right to become a president if he meets requirement by the time of election. It desnt mean everyone will, or even will be able to meet them, which proves that the're different, not equal. You're not equal me, I'm not equal you. We're different people with different abilities, different rights, different responsibilities, different heritage, different ideals and different fate. We all only equal when we're dead. From the moment we're born we never are equal, you are delusional if you think we are, or not really understand the meaning of equality.

Edit. Regardless, I dont have anything more to say. The things I told above are obvious facts, there's nothing to argue with, at least on, as I said, logical level, and I'm not interested in anything else here - it's pure emotional and ideological garbage. The only thing is left for this dialogue is sophistry and self-repeating. I'm going to sleep now, with a weak hope that I at least made you try to think differently from how you're being taught by liberal ideas. Cheers

 

[EnDash]

I never told we do not fall under one category, nor I told that both woman and man cant do outstanding things or be absolutely useless. But you're being off-topic, which is equality. No, woman and man are not equal, no one is equal to another. Even in ALL rights we're not: we all are SUPPOSED to share some common rights that fit for every human being since the day it is born, but we end up having different rights and responsibilities, every single one of us, depending on our gender, social status, territory where we live, and, in the end, everything we were born with. It's not a secret that the're places in the world where people do not even have basic human rights, which is, without a doubt, a bad thing. We should have SOME equal rights, but the idea that ALL of our rights are equal is not only foolish, but also not realistic. Rights depend on responsibilities, and people have different responsibilities. A school boy do not have all the rights a president have - simple example, I think I explained it well enough.

Yes I did, on logical level. It doesnt matter if it makes you react with regection or understanding, these are only emotions. Your thesis about people being equal holds no argument under it, while I provided you with mine. People are equal only in the fact that they must have the right to attune more rights. Every child must have a right to become a president if he meets requirement by the time of election. It desnt mean everyone will, or even will be able to meet them, which proves that the're different, not equal. You're not equal me, I'm not equal you. We're different people with different abilities, different rights, different responsibilities, different heritage, different ideals and different fate. We all only equal when we're dead. From the moment we're born we never are equal, you are delusional if you think we are, or not really understand the meaning of equality.

Edit. Regardless, I dont have anything more to say. The things I told above are obvious facts, there's nothing to argue with, at least on, as I said, logical level, and I'm not interested in anything else here - it's pure emotional and ideological garbage. The only thing is left for this dialogue is sophistry and self-repeating. I'm going to sleep now, with a weak hope that I at least made you try to think differently from how you're being taught by liberal ideas. Cheers

i think this is fair enough, but here is my question. do you agree that everyone should be born with equal rights? regardless of gender or other diffrences? like is a baby girl born equal and have the same rights as a baby boy?

it's the potential to do something, some people still think women don't have the same potential as men solely because they were born women. when everyone agrees that a woman can do everything a man can do feminism won't be necessary. not every woman can be president and probably not every woman should, but i can think of some women who would be better presidents then some men.

 

[Mari Makinami]

i think this is fair enough, but here is my question. do you agree that everyone should be born with equal rights? regardless of gender or other diffrences? like is a baby girl born equal and have the same rights as a baby boy?

it's the potential to do something, some people still think women don't have the same potential as men solely because they were born women. when everyone agrees that a woman can do everything a man can do feminism won't be necessary. not every woman can be president and probably not every woman should, but i can think of some women who would be better presidents then some men.

Of course I agree. In my post I've indeed said that I am. The problems here are: a) the're not born with equal rights in our world; b) it's kind of utopia-like dream, I don't think it will ever happen while the're still countries and nations with different traditions and laws. I mean, every-every single child will probably never have the same rights. This is bad, even terrible, but it's our reality, and personaly I think it's kind of pointless to even fight for it. It's the same as fighting for peace in the whole world - probably never gonna happen. But it's just my opinion, and of course I'm not against those who try to do something about it. I just most likely never will.

And yes, I do agree that the potentials are almost completely equal (still the're some differences due to biological factors, as I said before, for example, men have more potential in physical strength - it is indeed a difference which would be foolish to deny, but it is not very significant in our world nowadays), and again, it's not about equality. What I'm talking about is just that naturally we're built for different tasks, it has been developing for thousands of years through evolution. Which is why it's usually not rational to try and do something that is not natural for you due to your gender. Yes, you're capable to do it if you, for some reason, really-really want it and try very hard, nobody denies it, but there is no point aside from trying to solve your pshychological issues, which everyone of us has, of course. People seem to forget that our abilities often rely on how we've been raised, what traditions were we taught and so on. Going against all these factors just to prove somebody something as ephemeral... Personaly I consider it not too wise, that's it.
Being president doesn't really require any specific gender traits, so as most of professions nowadays. But the're still some that do require it, and somewhere woman are usually better, somewhere man are, again, usually. In my opinion, it's pretty foolish to deny it just for some idological fighting for proving something to someone. This is why I don't think that feminism is needed at all. The problem is overrated, the're much more important and not as ephemeral problems which need to be solved in our world. Not to mention that, as was said above in this thread multiple times, the whole idea of feminism nowadays became twisted and it's not about proving that woman have equal potential, it's mostly about trying to state that woman > man. It's actually very similar to racism nowadays in it's hypocrisy, but it's another story.

 

[MuerteMiAmigo]

well i think its really dumb that you are using beyonce....she is a woman if you didnt know and she will also make more money in her life then every single guy in my high school class put together
in my experience women blow this shit out of proportion....yea they get paid less but nowa days thats about it...
and it goes both ways....society tells girls skinny is better and it tells guys that big dicks are better...so i think that point is b.s. too
and unless your a self conscious pathetic kind of a guy...woman being successful shouldn't bother you
and of course your expected to get married....i have news for you so are guys
and marriage is far from the most important thing anymore otherwise girls would go to college they would get married right away
.....so yea, women blow it out of proportion

 

[BlacLord™]

This thread was done not so long ago but w/e...

It's a tricky subject, I studied it as part of my A-Level English Literature course.

Feminism at it's core should be women seeking equal rights and for the majority, that is the cause fought for. But, there are some feminists who believe that women are totally superior over men, which is rather unfair and extremist to say the least. The problem is, Radical Feminism, like other types, is seldom separated from normal feminism by society. In turn, views on feminism are often extremely multifarious, as people are thinking of it on different planes.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

I think it is stupid, because it needs to exist at all.

 

[ChrysaBella]

In my eyes , as long as you have the capability to think and to act then you should be equal. I mean everybody should be free to do whatever they find joy in without violating others rights.
But this is just sth ideal that will never happen because as long men are men and women are women , a gap will always exist .
Actually I dont think mankind will ever reach an era of total equality between genders because that will mean equality between the poor and rich, between weak and strong etc and exactly for this purpose religion were born,to fill our head with this kind of unreal concepts.
So, yep ,in theory women deserve equal rights but dont think we will ever be able to obtain it.