[Debate] Feminism, LGBT rights, and abortion.

[HadouKage]

Extreme feminism is wrong, I agree with abortion in early stages and Gay marriage.

What if you were aborted?

That's debatable.


OT: "Homosexuality has been discovered in over 10'00 species on earth. Homophobia has only been demonstrated in 1."

Quite an interesting fact.

Homophobic
Homo - Same (in this case safe ***)
Phobia - Fear

That word is used out of context all the time

Someone really said they want "gays" to have rights,but not be able to marry ?
First off i would not have that particular individual weigh in on any matter with even the least significance.
He obviously doesn't know the difference between a civil union and marriage.It would of been totally fine if he didn't.
Nobody is obligated to know.However forming an opinion on a matter he knows nothing about is mind boggling.

The two do are not one in the same.A civil union is a slap in the face to every gay and lesbian couple and liberty itself.

My belief is that everyone should be treated equally in all terms.

There is reasons why some might not want to be pegged as a feminist.
Even though we have to fight for rights of certain creeds of people some still view them as something to be pitied either them or the cause itself and that is not what they want.They don't wan't pity.They don't want others to treat them any other way then others are treated.Which is is why some try to distant themselves from the stigma that comes with it.

Even pedos and necrophilliacs?

 

[Cornson]

When scientist look at these reports? This is along the lines of the first point in your reply.

usually when religious people claim "insert something here that proves the supernatural" then at some points some scientiests will eventually look at it, then then go either it proves your claim, or there are no proof for your claim in this report.

This proof may simply be beyond the grasp of our human capabilities.

If we can't even comprehent it, then why even bother beliving in it? (if you can never fully understand it, then what exactly is it you are beliving?)

...You can't understand the point of my point.

the thing is, im pretty sure I do understand your point (you say you are open minded to everything) I just state that I am sceptical of everything we haven't proven yet, and I usually don't belive in anything without a good reason for it (and saying, I belive because It feels right, or because I want to is not a good reason)

We all believe things we have yet to see with our own eyes.

but just because we haven't see it dosen't mean it can't be proven, just because you and I haven't see the evidence for "insert something random here" dosen't mean countless of other person haven't already seen it, and testet it (if it's a theory)

Your 'arguments' if you'd like to call them that, have only been confirming that. Again, whether it's science or religion, we put our trust in things we haven't even witnessed.

but there is a huge difference in those 2 thinks, 1 can be proven and testet over and over, and the other is nothing than meer gut feelings and fantasy, and it dosen't matter that we haven't witnessed them.

I know for a fact that there have been humans on the moon (I wasen't born untill 20 years after, but I still know we wore there) because It can be proven true science and our recorded history.

I know for a fact that the earth is older 100 million years (because it can be proven by science) even though I never witnessed the planet going true all these million years.

I know for a fact that the Titanic hit and iceberg and sank (I wasen't there but we can again prove it by science, and we have even found the wreckage)

see where I am going with this? I don't need to witness something with my own eyes to know something is true or not (by your logic a blind man can never know anything...)

You admitted that you do this. I do this. Everyone does this. My post that you originally replied to was neutral. As I, tend to have an open mind about science and the spiritual. I welcome both worlds.

I on the other hand only welcome something that can either be proven with the scientific method, something that is at least propeable.

Having said that, knowing my stance on this matter. What are you even trying to argue with me about? lol

im not even sure, I just saw your post and felt compelled to replie to it. (as I did to many others in this thread, and many other threads I may add)

Even pedos and necrophilliacs?

everyone is everyone

either we all should have rights or none of us should. (as long as we don't hurt anyone) (my right to swing my arm stops right before it hits your face)

when they came for the Pedos I said, and did nothing, because I wasen't a Pedo.

when they came for the necrophiles I said, and did nothing, because I wasen't a necrophile.

when they came for the communists I said, and did nothing, because I wasen't a cummunist.

when they came for the homosexuals I said, and did nothing, because I wasen't a homosexual.

and when they came for me, there was no one to speak up.

 

[HadouKage]

everyone is everyone

either we all should have rights or none of us should. (as long as we don't hurt anyone) (my right to swing my arm stops right before it hits your face)

when they came for the Pedos I said, and did nothing, because I wasen't a Pedo.


when they came for the necrophiles I said, and did nothing, because I wasen't a necrophile.

when they came for the communists I said, and did nothing, because I wasen't a cummunist.

when they came for the homosexuals I said, and did nothing, because I wasen't a homosexual.

and when they came for me, there was no one to speak up.

I believe that people are hypocritical because they want to choose what they fit best. Like someone posted, if you want everyone to have equal rights, everyone needs to have it not just those you feel worthy because of morality

 

[Disquiet]

usually when religious people claim "insert something here that proves the supernatural" then at some points some scientiests will eventually look at it, then then go either it proves your claim, or there are no proof for your claim in this report.



If we can't even comprehent it, then why even bother beliving in it? (if you can never fully understand it, then what exactly is it you are beliving?)



the thing is, im pretty sure I do understand your point (you say you are open minded to everything) I just state that I am sceptical of everything we haven't proven yet, and I usually don't belive in anything without a good reason for it (and saying, I belive because It feels right, or because I want to is not a good reason)



but just because we haven't see it dosen't mean it can't be proven, just because you and I haven't see the evidence for "insert something random here" dosen't mean countless of other person haven't already seen it, and testet it (if it's a theory)



but there is a huge difference in those 2 thinks, 1 can be proven and testet over and over, and the other is nothing than meer gut feelings and fantasy, and it dosen't matter that we haven't witnessed them.

I know for a fact that there have been humans on the moon (I wasen't born untill 20 years after, but I still know we wore there) because It can be proven true science and our recorded history.

I know for a fact that the earth is older 100 million years (because it can be proven by science) even though I never witnessed the planet going true all these million years.

I know for a fact that the Titanic hit and iceberg and sank (I wasen't there but we can again prove it by science, and we have even found the wreckage)

see where I am going with this? I don't need to witness something with my own eyes to know something is true or not (by your logic a blind man can never know anything...)




I on the other hand only welcome something that can either be proven with the scientific method, something that is at least propeable.




im not even sure, I just saw your post and felt compelled to replie to it. (as I did to many others in this thread, and many other threads I may add)

Indeed. It has yet to be proven false.


There's a lot of people that don't comprehend half the stuff science says. Yet, still believes it. Does it mean it's false? No. This reply here proves to me that you don't understand my post. I am speaking of what is natural in all humans. To blindly believe. What your saying is more of a personal philosophy/ideal. Even more proof that you didn't understand my post, is that I said I'm a very skeptical person. And yes, have even dropped the idea of religion. But I guessed you didn't see that post of mine.




"Just because we haven't seen the evidences doesn't mean countless other people haven't already seen it." Again, we believe blindly. This is my point. This is getting rather boring. I never once said in my post that all of us believe in something false, but we do believe in things we have never touched or seen. Based on the accounts of other people. You're only repeating what I said.




Some people can actually feel when others are lying to them, while other might not sense/feel it. This is just one example. Then there's feeling of getting a very bad and evil vibe from someone. The thing to note is, these feelings don't occur between every individual and a particular person that may give off such a vibe. So not everyone feels these 'gut feelings and fantasies' with that particular person. Gut feelings because it's largely a feeling, and fantasy because the mind will inevitable play a large role....to believe that feeling true or false. However, these feelings can be correct. Of course it can't be scientifically proven that someone has committed horrific acts based on the gut feeling of another person, or that someone has without a doubt intentionally lied about a particular subject because this person feels so lol. Nonetheless these feelings can be correct.



Who says gut feelings can't be correct? Yes not always correct. But just because it's your or others ideal to believe the gathered accounts of other people, evidence, and tested theories that you all haven't really seen or touched, doesn't mean others have to conform to the same method of identifying something beyond our visual or physical perception.

Yes yes. And all that stuff you haven't seen with your own eyes. You believe it blindly. But then again, that doesn't mean it's false. "By your logic a blind a man can never believe anything." That's not my logic at all.....like I said you don't understand my post. ._.

"I don't need to witness something with my own eyes to know if it's true or not". -__- Oh really? This has only been my point in not only my entire argument with you, but also in the post you quoted.


Your arguments does little to refute mine. All your doing is giving a reason as to why you blindly believe.


It does little good to quote me and not even know what you're arguing with me about. -______-



What you're doing now is like trying to 'argue' against a broad statement that states Naruto is a good manga, with your own reasoning on why it's a good manga. There's no 'debate' here. Further argument is pointless.

 

[Zachfri]

Another commonly held fallacy is that the majority of the people would be for homosexual unions. The majority of people from this country are for it mind you (USA), but that does not speak for the entire world.

 

[Cornson]

Won't have time to replie to all your said, but ill just say this quickly.

I said I'm a very skeptical person. And yes, have even dropped the idea of religion. But I guessed you didn't see that post of mine.

I saw that you wrore that you had dropped the idea for religion, but you sure are talking very positivily about religion (and using many of the arguments religious people would use in defend of it)

 

[Disquiet]

Won't have time to replie to all your said, but ill just say this quickly.



I saw that you wrore that you had dropped the idea for religion, but you sure are talking very positivily about religion (and using many of the arguments religious people would use in defend of it)

Talking positively about religion? My posts has had nothing to do with actual religion.

 

[Forest]

Long as every body is chillin and not bothering me, they can do what they want. could care less about Ideology/race/sexuality/philosophy/political party/ long as they respect me, im cool with them.

 

[KartoffelChan]

What if you were aborted?

Well then I guess they wouldn't be here? That's pretty much it?

Even pedos and necrophilliacs?

For me, personally, it's more along the lines of, "As long as it's consensual and non-harmful?" Like, pedophiles are wrong in my opinion because they don't have a fully consensual partner? Most kids don't know how *** works, ergo they can't give consent? Necrophiliacs...That's waaay off topic here. I'd say it's wrong because of the consent issue again [also it makes me squicky but eh~]

Long as every body is chillin and not bothering me, they can do what they want. could care less about Ideology/race/sexuality/philosophy/political party/ long as they respect me, im cool with them.

^THIIIIIISSSSSSS

 

[FuChomei]

Long as every body is chillin and not bothering me, they can do what they want. could care less about Ideology/race/sexuality/philosophy/political party/ long as they respect me, im cool with them.

I like you

 

[Zachfri]

Well then I guess they wouldn't be here? That's pretty much it?



For me, personally, it's more along the lines of, "As long as it's consensual and non-harmful?" Like, pedophiles are wrong in my opinion because they don't have a fully consensual partner? Most kids don't know how *** works, ergo they can't give consent? Necrophiliacs...That's waaay off topic here. I'd say it's wrong because of the consent issue again [also it makes me squicky but eh~]



^THIIIIIISSSSSSS

Incest between partners is also consensual and non harmful if it involves two brothers. So is polygamy Face it, no matter how you put it, if you were to be legalizing gay marriage youd be opening the door for a whole lot of sexual perversions.

 

[Hunty]

Incest between partners is also consensual and non harmful if it involves two brothers. So is polygamy Face it, no matter how you put it, if you were to be legalizing gay marriage youd be opening the door for a whole lot of sexual perversions.

I see bigotry everywhere. :NO:

What are these "perversions?" Do you really think the population will change there WHOLE standpoint because of this one thing. I find myself trapped in this ever-so changing world. You sir, proved yourself very ignorant. I can't believe your parents bought you a computer. I'm shocked you figured out how to use it!

 

[Zachfri]

Im ignorant? I bought myself this computer from government money based off an illness I acquired. Incest is not a perversion? Polygamy is not a perversion? What land are you from?

 

[Zachfri]

Yeah because we sit and listen every week to a lecture for five years on how to behave we wind up being the ignorant ones while all you do is sit at home and crap more naruto down your throat. Right. At least ill have more respect for an extremely active atheist than the likes of you.

 

[Hunty]

I must ask the same to you?! Excuse me, all of those things you just mentioned are not even in the same category as "Gay Marriage." It's all in the eye of the beholder. Also, religion. Incest, and polygamy are all perversion in my eyes, not gay marriage. You obviously know nothing, you probably know few to no gay people.

 

[Zachfri]

My uncle was gay. His lover lived with us for 4 years. Your right, because people are so blinded by their own foolish beliefs I know no gay people because they are too scared to be friends with christians. Same goes for the atheist of the world, theyd rather wish we just didn't exist. Just because your for gay marriage doesn't mean you can't stop the obvious moral decline that would result if you started legalizing it. You would have ZERO legal standing to prevent two brothers from marrying, and thus make yourself look like a hypocrite. Its not only that, but when people become openly gay you rarely see the same straight people that make your asinine arguements stand up for them when they are abused by societies real bigots. Like the local cop who hates having to be partnered with a gay, or the nba player that doesnt want gays on his team. I rarely see you people actually sticking up for them, which to me is shocking!

 

[Hunty]

"Two brothers," WHAT THE DUCK! We're not talking about brothers. We're talking about my right to get married with my boyfriend, my chance to spend my life with someone I love.

"You people?"

You must be registered for see images

 

[Zachfri]

The two brothers arguement will always be an arguement against gay marriage because those people are gay themselves, incest or not. Unless you can some how think of a way to fix that problem we have a crisis when it comes to gay marriage.

 

[Hunty]

You see. This is the issue... You're making about -100% sense right now. I have never been told about "two brothers," and it's very unlikely two brothers of the same house is gay. Genetics usually doesn't let it happen. Whatever, you're just jealous of my sexy self, at least I have someone I can hold at night.

 

[Zachfri]

You cant even have biological children, which is probably the only reason I want to get married in the first place, so believe me, Im not envious of you. I could have *** with any pornstar in the world and it would be just as clean as the stuff you came up with your boyfriend. Genetics? Please. Look at the variety of porn on the subject shall we? How many times is incest itself accompanied with some sort of adult video company? Lots of times.