[Discussion] feats wise sasuke faster than naruto and minato

[Lucidus]

Madara went out of Sasuke's range and Sasuke still caught up to Madara pretty quickly. People keep saying that Sasuke only caught up after Madara stopped but they always forget that Madara had a lead on Sasuke. Madara left for Kakashi way before Sasuke and as soon as Madara grabbed and plucked in Kakashi's eye, Sasuke was already within striking distance. This proves that Sasuke was faster or atleast about equal to Madara's speed. Madara speed~Sasuke speed>Minato speed. Minato also cannot teleport without markings. So as I already said, if he has no markings at point B, he must first take a kunai from his sleeve and then throw it to point B before he can even teleport.

Sasuke is indeed fast.. im not saying he isnt.. im saying that he caught up to madara as fast as he did because madara stopped and turned around after getting kakashi's eye.. sasuke closed the gap quickly because his opponent stopped moving for a few seconds.. when you have to incredibly fast characters and one stops moving the other one is going to appear faster because of how fast he closed that distance..

minato has an incredibly fast shunshin aswell we know that.. and unless the 2 of them race we cant accurately measure their speed..

also Minato if Kishi didnt Limit his use of FTG minato can just teleport to the same seal over and over and appear at different points as long as he has a seal on himself he can appear a certain distance away from himself so its not like he needs to spread kunai but for long range movments its the easiest way to do things..

so again we cannot measure both of there speed against each other

that is why deep down i truly believe minato is the strongest....not including jubi jins and sages and mamma sages of course...

but yea kishi nerfed the shit out of minato...he made him too powerful then realized he didnt want him to be the strongest

exactly.. Kishi nerfed him because he wasnt a main character.. he cant have someone other than the main characters defeating the enemy.. so kishi took away his arms and limitde FTG use..

but again it was needed in order for plot to move forward

 

[Denmarknb]

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[damon hunt]

Sasuke is indeed fast.. im not saying he isnt.. im saying that he caught up to madara as fast as he did because madara stopped and turned around after getting kakashi's eye.. sasuke closed the gap quickly because his opponent stopped moving for a few seconds.. when you have to incredibly fast characters and one stops moving the other one is going to appear faster because of how fast he closed that distance..

minato has an incredibly fast shunshin aswell we know that.. and unless the 2 of them race we cant accurately measure their speed..

also Minato if Kishi didnt Limit his use of FTG minato can just teleport to the same seal over and over and appear at different points as long as he has a seal on himself he can appear a certain distance away from himself so its not like he needs to spread kunai but for long range movments its the easiest way to do things..

so again we cannot measure both of there speed against each other



exactly.. Kishi nerfed him because he wasnt a main character.. he cant have someone other than the main characters defeating the enemy.. so kishi took away his arms and limitde FTG use..

but again it was needed in order for plot to move forward

but sasuke i reckon has the advantage because he doesn't need seals or spreading kunai's

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dat fail U_U

 

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[Obítō1]

mate madara was nearly dead manga fact naruto is not faster deal with it

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[T I A]

So gai has to die to become the fastest?

nothing changes with the fact that he IS the fastest

 

[BLAZE]

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maddy had blood in his mouth though

 

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hahaha I can't stop laughing omfg XD XD XD

 

[damon hunt]

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its useless** goddammmm

 

[Lucidus]

but sasuke i reckon has the advantage because he doesn't need seals or spreading kunai's




dat fail U_U

True however sasuke has a perminent limited range.. where as minato can place seals that never dissapear anywhere making it more useful..

sasukes however is better in terms of close combat since people will be constantly in his range

and if Kishi didnt limit how FTG is used minato could do the same on a smaller scale as i dont think the area around the FTG seal is as large as sasukes area with his rinnegan but yes i would say that they both have there disadvantages and perks

 

[Mr Hiru]

so there you have it its proven by feats and manga scans that sasuke is the fastesteven if that's the ability of his rennigan the fact of the matter is he is the fastes between the trio if you disagree that show me scans don't feed me bs like oh its plot or kishi wanted to sasuke too show off his techs or the best one naruto is the name of the manga lel thanks and hope you enjoyed the read.

I kind of agree, Sasuke is using the Rinnegan ability to its full extent... it is somewhat a variation of Izanagi, so that lightning speed must be related somewhat to this ability.

Now, I consider that Sasuke's ability is great, but you forgot that Naruto was able to react instantly to Madara's Rinbo Hengoku, at point blank distance.

Sasuke has a sharinnegan, so everything Naruto sees, Sasuke can see it in slowmotion. It had to be way easier for Sasuke to evade Madara's attacks (that were mid/long distance) than Naruto evading the Hengoku (point blank), and Naruto didn't even had a chance to see it... he could only feel it.

That's also Naruto for you.

Sasuke has great eye abilities, Naruto has great body abilities. Sasuke's speed and visual prowess are great, Naruto reaction time and instincts are great.

 

[blood hound]

Really?!!?!??

We just saw the new manga yesterday which provided a few panels of sasuke using his new "power" an already people are trying to compare the strength and speed?!?!? :/

First and for most In my opinion sasuke is not as fast as Minato or Naruto.... Reason being is because these two have shown incredible feats and skills. Here you are talking about sasuke who came into the "picture" with little time panel of his new ability that hasn't really Been explained or shown properly for that matter "OVERRATTING" it saying that, because of this he is faster then the said 2 characters such as Minato and Naruto. Did you not see the speed of Naruto when he saved Gai from the black orb and then beat the crap out of madara in one swift move? Would you not consider that to be as fast or faster then sasuke's new power? Did you not see Minato teleport in front of an 8 gate Gai, take the impact of the black orbs, then teleport away? Would you not say that is as fast or even faster the
Sasuke's new power? ..........

Secondly...... You are trying to compare minato's FTG to this new "powerup" of sasuke and that how he failed to strike madara while using FTG and lost his arm. Do you not know what FTG is? Do you not know how it works? FTG only works on marking's.... Which is in this case on a kunia (knife) ((sorry for spelling)). Now Minato had to throw his knife to an enhanced madara who not only poses renningun and sharingun but also senji DNA and the Ten tailed beast...... And madara nows how the FTG works...... I mean come on..... It would have been completely ridiculous if he couldn't block Minato's attack given he knows how it operates and that being given speed and strength that's somewhat invincible!!! You are trying to compare the FTG to this new technique that no one knows about.... What is this new power...... I mean is it a form of ninjutsu, taijutsu, or genjutsu?!?!?? No one knows yet...................... How can you try and compare when you yourself doesn't even know the power and it's mechanism!?!? :/

Finally..... in my opinion Minato's speed can never be surpassed, I am not being a fan boy or anything like that..... It's a given.... It's in te manga. The feats, skills, and achivements that Minato has shown while using his FTG is beyond comparable. He has done things that far surpass in of the new techniques and powers up to all the characters (such as Naruto, sasuke, madara, kakashi, obito and the list goes on) now of course I won't just leave it like that..... Here is a list of the few achievements and feats of speed that Minato has:

1) Dodged Ay's full force punch (speed and strength) from a center-meter away.
2) Dodged Ay's punch again while also cutting one of killerbee's tentecals and stopping behind Killerbee's back.
3) The only character that was able to keep up with obito (in ten tailed form) with no problems
4) Managaed to save 8 gate Gai by teleproting in front of black orbs and then telerpoting away while Gai in full speed and force didn't even move an inch.
5) Mangaed to injure the untouchable Obito heavily while not knowing anything about his techniques (when obito attacked the hidden leaf once Naruto was born)
6) Again managed to injure Obito the untouchable nearly killing him.

I would to note that at this point in time sasuke is fast and is somewhat equal to Minato and Naruto and maybe in the up coming chapters he would surpass them "maybe". But for now Minato holds the title for fastest man in Naruto verse.

Thank you

 

[damon hunt]

I kind of agree, Sasuke is using the Rinnegan ability to its full extent... it is somewhat a variation of Izanagi, so that lightning speed must be related somewhat to this ability.

Now, I consider that Sasuke's ability is great, but you forgot that Naruto was able to react instantly to Madara's Rinbo Hengoku, at point blank distance.

Sasuke has a sharinnegan, so everything Naruto sees, Sasuke can see it in slowmotion. It had to be way easier for Sasuke to evade Madara's attacks (that were mid/long distance) than Naruto evading the Hengoku (point blank), and Naruto didn't even had a chance to see it... he could only feel it.

That's also Naruto for you.

Sasuke has great eye abilities, Naruto has great body abilities. Sasuke's speed and visual prowess are great, Naruto reaction time and instincts are great.

true naruto was able to dodge rinbo but when madara was recovered and naruto was in his senjutsu cloak(which should be faster than his base form) madara reacted to his speed fine where as when sasuke attacked madara he was cut in half

True however sasuke has a perminent limited range.. where as minato can place seals that never dissapear anywhere making it more useful..

sasukes however is better in terms of close combat since people will be constantly in his range

and if Kishi didnt limit how FTG is used minato could do the same on a smaller scale as i dont think the area around the FTG seal is as large as sasukes area with his rinnegan but yes i would say that they both have there disadvantages and perks

true sasuke has perminent limited range but the difference is sasuke's foot speed the fact that he was able to close the gap with madara so fast that madara couldn't react is more than minato would have been able to do if was in the same position and if he was i he would have had no choice but to throw the kunai where as sasuke doesnt need it that's what am trying to say

 

[Sharingan King]

True however sasuke has a perminent limited range.. where as minato can place seals that never dissapear anywhere making it more useful..

sasukes however is better in terms of close combat since people will be constantly in his range

and if Kishi didnt limit how FTG is used minato could do the same on a smaller scale as i dont think the area around the FTG seal is as large as sasukes area with his rinnegan but yes i would say that they both have there disadvantages and perks

Kishi didn't really limit FTG. He simply made it made it more practical to avoid inconsistencies and plot holes. Last chapter, Naruto had a ftg kunai in his mouth but sasuke appeared next to him. Obviously, Kishi doesn't want Sasuke to teleport into Naruto's mouth. Kishi didn't intend for fans to take it to the extreme and say that "ftg has a range of effect".

 

[BLAZE]

Really?!!?!??

We just saw the new manga yesterday which provided a few panels of sasuke using his new "power" an already people are trying to compare the strength and speed?!?!? :/

First and for most In my opinion sasuke is not as fast as Minato or Naruto.... Reason being is because these two have shown incredible feats and skills. Here you are talking about sasuke who came into the "picture" with little time panel of his new ability that hasn't really Been explained or shown properly for that matter "OVERRATTING" it saying that, because of this he is faster then the said 2 characters such as Minato and Naruto. Did you not see the speed of Naruto when he saved Gai from the black orb and then beat the crap out of madara in one swift move? Would you not consider that to be as fast or faster then sasuke's new power? Did you not see Minato teleport in front of an 8 gate Gai, take the impact of the black orbs, then teleport away? Would you not say that is as fast or even faster the
Sasuke's new power? ..........

Secondly...... You are trying to compare minato's FTG to this new "powerup" of sasuke and that how he failed to strike madara while using FTG and lost his arm. Do you not know what FTG is? Do you not know how it works? FTG only works on marking's.... Which is in this case on a kunia (knife) ((sorry for spelling)). Now Minato had to throw his knife to an enhanced madara who not only poses renningun and sharingun but also senji DNA and the Ten tailed beast...... And madara nows how the FTG works...... I mean come on..... It would have been completely ridiculous if he couldn't block Minato's attack given he knows how it operates and that being given speed and strength that's somewhat invincible!!! You are trying to compare the FTG to this new technique that no one knows about.... What is this new power...... I mean is it a form of ninjutsu, taijutsu, or genjutsu?!?!?? No one knows yet...................... How can you try and compare when you yourself doesn't even know the power and it's mechanism!?!? :/

Finally..... in my opinion Minato's speed can never be surpassed, I am not being a fan boy or anything like that..... It's a given.... It's in te manga. The feats, skills, and achivements that Minato has shown while using his FTG is beyond comparable. He has done things that far surpass in of the new techniques and powers up to all the characters (such as Naruto, sasuke, madara, kakashi, obito and the list goes on) now of course I won't just leave it like that..... Here is a list of the few achievements and feats of speed that Minato has:

1) Dodged Ay's full force punch (speed and strength) from a center-meter away.
2) Dodged Ay's punch again while also cutting one of killerbee's tentecals and stopping behind Killerbee's back.
3) The only character that was able to keep up with obito (in ten tailed form) with no problems
4) Managaed to save 8 gate Gai by teleproting in front of black orbs and then telerpoting away while Gai in full speed and force didn't even move an inch.

I would to note that at this point in time sasuke is fast and is somewhat equal to Minato and Naruto and maybe in the up coming chapters he would surpass them "maybe". But for now Minato holds the title for fastest man in Naruto verse.

Thank you

i will go with this i guess
the proof is solid

 

[Mr Hiru]

true naruto was able to dodge rinbo but when madara was recovered and naruto was in his senjutsu cloak(which should be faster than his base form) madara reacted to his speed fine where as when sasuke attacked madara he was cut in half

You should realize that Sasuke was able to hit Madara because Naruto was cooperating. This is a demonstrated fact, Gai could deal damage because he didn't give time to Madara to react, Rinbo needs time for preparation, this was stated in the last chapter.

Sasuke is very fast and he can reach Madara easily, but Sasuke is not good dealing two consecutive attacks to cut the Rinbo's delay/casting time.

This only demonstrates that Sasuke's speed is only good because there is someone else able to keep it up with him (Naruto).

 

[King Of Pop]

I don't know why people are disagreeing. And those insulting the op just show they have no argument. The feats are there for all to see. Minato went up against madara using ftg but madara easily reacted, he cut his arm and kicked him away which shows madara didn't even break a sweat, he easily reacted and countered minato with mininmal effort. On the other hand sasuke wiith his footspeed caught up to him first(which is dope considering madara is super fast, as juubi jin), madara turned and saw sasuke, remarked how fast he ws and then was bisected before he could even defend himself. Add the fact that sasuke with his teleportic rinnegan ability trolled madara twice, dodged his lightning attack leaving madara puzzled, he couldn't track the guy. This is the same madara who reacted to tobirama ftg blitz and fodderized him, same madara who was able to block some of 8 gate guys attacks, yet he couldn't track sasukes movvement and later on couldn't rreact to his strike and got chopped in fact. Ssasukes footspeed combined with his own form of teleportation ability should put him above minato as the manga has shown. Feats are feats. For those saying madara stopped afta taking kakashis eye urrm no he didn't, he took the eye while on the move.

 

[Lucidus]

true naruto was able to dodge rinbo but when madara was recovered and naruto was in his senjutsu cloak(which should be faster than his base form) madara reacted to his speed fine where as when sasuke attacked madara he was cut in half

true sasuke has perminent limited range but the difference is sasuke's foot speed the fact that he was able to close the gap with madara so fast that madara couldn't react is more than minato would have been able to do if was in the same position and if he was i he would have had no choice but to throw the kunai where as sasuke doesnt need it that's what am trying to say

again i think i will wait to see more from sasuke in terms of foot speed to decide if he is faster than minato or not.. if anything i will say at this point in time they are close in terms of shunshin speed and that sasukes striking speed is faster.. however i believe minato still has better reactions..

and i agree that Sasukes teleportation is more useful in certain conditions aswell as FTG would be better in certain situations .. imo it comes down to how the techs are used.. i look forward to finding out how sasukes technique really works and if its a form of FTG or not or his a form of izunagi or something..

Kishi didn't really limit FTG. He simply made it made it more practical to avoid inconsistencies and plot holes. Last chapter, Naruto had a ftg kunai in his mouth but sasuke appeared next to him. Obviously, Kishi doesn't want Sasuke to teleport into Naruto's mouth. Kishi didn't intend for fans to take it to the extreme and say that "ftg has a range of effect".

Kishi has limited FTG.. if you think about everything we have seen in the manga and the mechanics of the jutsu.. there is so much you can do with it which kishi is not utilising... so yes FTG use has been limited also whether kishi meant to have a range or not none of us know.. however the fact remains the user or someone else can appear a certain distance away from the placed FTG seal..

 

[damon hunt]

Really?!!?!??

We just saw the new manga yesterday which provided a few panels of sasuke using his new "power" an already people are trying to compare the strength and speed?!?!? :/

First and for most In my opinion sasuke is not as fast as Minato or Naruto.... Reason being is because these two have shown incredible feats and skills. Here you are talking about sasuke who came into the "picture" with little time panel of his new ability that hasn't really Been explained or shown properly for that matter "OVERRATTING" it saying that, because of this he is faster then the said 2 characters such as Minato and Naruto. Did you not see the speed of Naruto when he saved Gai from the black orb and then beat the crap out of madara in one swift move? Would you not consider that to be as fast or faster then sasuke's new power? Did you not see Minato teleport in front of an 8 gate Gai, take the impact of the black orbs, then teleport away? Would you not say that is as fast or even faster the
Sasuke's new power? ..........

Secondly...... You are trying to compare minato's FTG to this new "powerup" of sasuke and that how he failed to strike madara while using FTG and lost his arm. Do you not know what FTG is? Do you not know how it works? FTG only works on marking's.... Which is in this case on a kunia (knife) ((sorry for spelling)). Now Minato had to throw his knife to an enhanced madara who not only poses renningun and sharingun but also senji DNA and the Ten tailed beast...... And madara nows how the FTG works...... I mean come on..... It would have been completely ridiculous if he couldn't block Minato's attack given he knows how it operates and that being given speed and strength that's somewhat invincible!!! You are trying to compare the FTG to this new technique that no one knows about.... What is this new power...... I mean is it a form of ninjutsu, taijutsu, or genjutsu?!?!?? No one knows yet...................... How can you try and compare when you yourself doesn't even know the power and it's mechanism!?!? :/

Finally..... in my opinion Minato's speed can never be surpassed, I am not being a fan boy or anything like that..... It's a given.... It's in te manga. The feats, skills, and achivements that Minato has shown while using his FTG is beyond comparable. He has done things that far surpass in of the new techniques and powers up to all the characters (such as Naruto, sasuke, madara, kakashi, obito and the list goes on) now of course I won't just leave it like that..... Here is a list of the few achievements and feats of speed that Minato has:

1) Dodged Ay's full force punch (speed and strength) from a center-meter away.
2) Dodged Ay's punch again while also cutting one of killerbee's tentecals and stopping behind Killerbee's back.
3) The only character that was able to keep up with obito (in ten tailed form) with no problems
4) Managaed to save 8 gate Gai by teleproting in front of black orbs and then telerpoting away while Gai in full speed and force didn't even move an inch.

I would to note that at this point in time sasuke is fast and is somewhat equal to Minato and Naruto and maybe in the up coming chapters he would surpass them "maybe". But for now Minato holds the title for fastest man in Naruto verse.

Thank you

first and foremost naruto was able to beat the crap out of madara because madara was nearly killed by guy which is proven and evident to that that naruto later on in his senjutsu cloak tried to attack madara and failed misrably while sasuke when he attacked madara madara had no time to react and was cut in half

as for you're 4 points ay isn;t faster than juubi madara and even against obito ( ten tail form) he got his arm sliced as well where the same thing that happened with juubi jin madara the man that sasuke was able to catch up on and slice in half maybe minato's speed ftg >= sasuke but over all speed sasuke has the advantage from what we have seen from him in the latest chapter feats against ten tails madara + the tree > all you're ay feats

I don't know why people are disagreeing. And those insulting the op just show they have no argument. The feats are there for all to see. Minato went up against madara using ftg but madara easily reacted, he cut his arm and kicked him away which shows madara didn't even break a sweat, he easily reacted and countered minato with mininmal effort. On the other hand sasuke wiith his footspeed caught up to him first(which is dope considering madara is super fast, as juubi jin), madara turned and saw sasuke, remarked how fast he ws and then was bisected before he could even defend himself. Add the fact that sasuke with his teleportic rinnegan ability trolled madara twice, dodged his lightning attack leaving madara puzzled, he couldn't track the guy. This is the same madara who reacted to tobirama ftg blitz and fodderized him, same madara who was able to block some of 8 gate guys attacks, yet he couldn't track sasukes movvement and later on couldn't rreact to his strike and got chopped in fact. Ssasukes footspeed combined with his own form of teleportation ability should put him above minato as the manga has shown. Feats are feats. For those saying madara stopped afta taking kakashis eye urrm no he didn't, he took the eye while on the move.

that's what am trying to say thanks for the read mate

 

[Lucidus]

I don't know why people are disagreeing. And those insulting the op just show they have no argument. The feats are there for all to see. Minato went up against madara using ftg but madara easily reacted, he cut his arm and kicked him away which shows madara didn't even break a sweat, he easily reacted and countered minato with mininmal effort. On the other hand sasuke wiith his footspeed caught up to him first(which is dope considering madara is super fast, as juubi jin), madara turned and saw sasuke, remarked how fast he ws and then was bisected before he could even defend himself. Add the fact that sasuke with his teleportic rinnegan ability trolled madara twice, dodged his lightning attack leaving madara puzzled, he couldn't track the guy. This is the same madara who reacted to tobirama ftg blitz and fodderized him, same madara who was able to block some of 8 gate guys attacks, yet he couldn't track sasukes movvement and later on couldn't rreact to his strike and got chopped in fact. Ssasukes footspeed combined with his own form of teleportation ability should put him above minato as the manga has shown. Feats are feats. For those saying madara stopped afta taking kakashis eye urrm no he didn't, he took the eye while on the move.

all your arguments have already been countered in the thread at some point.. so i dont feel the need to pull up the points which u have stated already.. i will say however.. Bare in mind that Madara knows how FTG works due to tobirama but Sasuke has a brand new ability no one has seen so of course Madara is going to be puzzled as he is seeing it for the first time and is figuring out how it works