[Theory] [FEAR] Secret Behind All Zetsu's

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I stumbled onto this last night when I was thinking about Spiral Zetsu and how he can manipulate all 5 Elements. I found it unlikely that the Budha itself was the source of the Jutsu and felt like assuming he had a Rinnegan was an easy cope out. And although the outcome did answer my question it did reveal a secret behind the Zetsu that I dont think anyone has realized yet.

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Indeed....^ this is true. He also created them to create the barrier to seal in the Alliance.
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It seems that my thread may have been disproven. I could argue that since Black Zetsu was hiding inside of Obito's body that would allow him access to that tech but at this point that would be incredibly unlikely.

Even with that said I still maintain that Spiral Zetsu and Obito are intrinsically linked. At the very least I could say that I was wrong about the "Black Rod".. Perhaps the Secret Zetsu is really Madara's Zetsu, who knows.


Beginnings​

It starts Here:

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Here the Zetsu's tell us where they come from, The Gedo... But the Question is Why.. Why does the Gedo Create the Zetsu? And it was at this time that it struck me that there are only 3 Zetsu's, but why would that be important?


Spiral Zetsu​

If you pay close attention to the Manga you can see exactly when Spiral Zetsu is created by the Gedo:

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Now at that time it is already fully formed but is still attached to the Gedo. This tells us that it began forming a while ago, but not too long ago. And then it happens to come to life sometime after Obito has gained consciousness:

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I think you all know where I am going with this. Spiral Zetsu is Gedo's response to being connected to Obito Uchiha. And thus they are linked even if they do not know it:

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Black Zetsu​

I say Black Zetsu above because that is what most people assume it would be. But it is actually something else.

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The Black Rod, The Gedo created this in response to Madara being connected to it.

After the creation of the Black Rod Madara realized what it was and how it could be manipulated. A very important thing to notice in the scan above is that when Madara created Black Zetsu the Black Rod grew longer. I believe that Madara was correct when he said the Black Rod was the physical Manifestation of his Will, and thus every time he expresses his Will the Black Rod grows in reaction to it.


White Zetsu​

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The Gedo created this reaction to the Mindless Hashirama Clone being connected to it.


Why is the Gedo doing this?​

Its pretty simple, the base purpose of the Gedo

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"Here things dont go as you wish."

And that is the answer, The Gedo is answering the wish's of those connected to it. Lets think about it:

Obito:

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Obito wanted to leave the Cave and Spiral Zetsu assisted him with that.

Mindless Hashirama Clone

A Mindless Clone that is stuck in the wall would want to be able to move freely, express itself and be alive.

Madara

Forced to leave his village because no one would listen to his warnings of the empending doom of his Clan. And now he plans to force the world into a dream under his control. He was given a Black Rod that allows him to manifest and implant his will into anything and anyone.


The Real Question is Why... And to be honest I find it hard to answer this question. I dont really know what the Juubi's motives are. Hell I dont even know how it is doing this.

But the moment I do I will make a part 2 of this thread letting you guys know.


Secret Unknown Zetsu​

With that said there is a Secret Zetsu that no one gives much attention:

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But unlike Spiral Zetsu it hadnt been completed yet. Which means 2 things, there was someone connected to the Gedo sometime after Madara and the MHC and sometime before Obito. And secondly, they werent connected long enough for the Gedo to finish making a clone for them... But who could it have been?


Conclusion​

Each Zetsu repressents a person that was connected to the Gedo Mazou.

Madara - Black Rod/Zetsu
Mindless Hashirama Clone - White Zetsu
Obito - Spiral Zetsu
?????- Secret Zetsu


Update #1

The Real Question here is why are all the Zetsu following Madara's orders? Let me tell you why..

First note the difference between this scan and the next:

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In the second picture there is a big black rod in the middle of the Mindless Hashirama Clones Chest...

Now look at this picture:

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Madara has had his will implanted into each of the things Zetsu was cloned from, and thus when the Zetsu was created it was created with a portion of his will inside of it.

Even now Black Zetsu is controlling Obito. But if Minato and Kakashi manage to defeat him, could Spiral Zetsu possibly become a different person?

Enjoy the read!​
 
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I'm sorry I haven't finished reading but you do know there are a bunch of other Zetsu attached to the tree in the background right?

And how could Shisui be Madara's first "recruit" if Obito was around before Shisui...Obito is at least 10 years older than Shisui if we assume Shisui is only a few years older than Itachi's age.

And another thing, sorry just editing my post as I think of more stuff. What about Nagato's Zetsu?
 
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Interesting theory. I like it mostly because ATM I'm super interested in what zetsu is all about - we still don't really know that much about him and his variants (especially spiral zetsu).

Only thing that doesn't add up is the shisui part. Chronologically obito would have already been recruited and madara subsequently died by the time shisui took his eyes out and 'died'. Don't forget that obito signed on with madara during the fourth shinobi world war which is quite likely the one that caused itachi I become a pacifist. Also itachi was still a child when obito attacked konoha. These things are issues since shisui and itachi were portrayed as being similar in age.
 

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I'm sorry I haven't finished reading but you do know there are a bunch of other Zetsu attached to the tree in the background right?

And how could Shisui be Madara's first "recruit" if Obito was around before Shisui...Obito is at least 10 years older than Shisui if we assume Shisui is only a few years older than Itachi's age.

And another thing, sorry just editing my post as I think of more stuff. What about Nagato's Zetsu?
Sorry to everyone about the Shishui thing, I wasnt thinking straight. Ofcourse it wasnt him and I have removed that entire section of the Thread.


There's tons of Zetsu. I don't think singling out one of them as a "Secret Zetsu" makes any sense.
So far from what I have seen all of the other Zetsu are merely clones of White Zetsu, but the only different looking Zetsu's are Spiral and the Secret Zetsu. I would like a scan or image that says otherwise.
 

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Sorry to everyone about the Shishui thing, I wasnt thinking straight. Ofcourse it wasnt him and I have removed that entire section of the Thread.




So far from what I have seen all of the other Zetsu are merely clones of White Zetsu, but the only different looking Zetsu's are Spiral and the Secret Zetsu. I would like a scan or image that says otherwise.
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Here. No difference about them. That just was the few to survive.
 

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So far from what I have seen all of the other Zetsu are merely clones of White Zetsu, but the only different looking Zetsu's are Spiral and the Secret Zetsu. I would like a scan or image that says otherwise.
The Zetsu clones made for the war don't exactly look like the original, though. What does this mean?
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The Zetsu clones made for the war don't exactly look like the original, though. What does this mean?
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They were enhanced by Yamato's DNA.


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Here. No difference about them. That just was the few to survive.
I claim that the ones you see in the background are more White Zetsu being formed.
 

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Sorry to everyone about the Shishui thing, I wasnt thinking straight. Ofcourse it wasnt him and I have removed that entire section of the Thread.




So far from what I have seen all of the other Zetsu are merely clones of White Zetsu, but the only different looking Zetsu's are Spiral and the Secret Zetsu. I would like a scan or image that says otherwise.
When Obito asked why all the Zetsu are capable of telepatically talking to each other, White Zetsu said "It's essentially because they're clones of me." Since Spiral Zetsu was able to do it, and the Zetsu are able to do it because they are clones of White Zetsu, then that means Spiral Zetsu is also a clone and there's nothing special about him.
 

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When Obito asked why all the Zetsu are capable of telepatically talking to each other, White Zetsu said "It's essentially because they're clones of me." Since Spiral Zetsu was able to do it, and the Zetsu are able to do it because they are clones of White Zetsu, then that means Spiral Zetsu is also a clone and there's nothing special about him.
White Zetsu could be mistaken, there telepathy works 2 ways, he can communicate with them but they can also communicate with him. he probably assumes the reason for this is because they are his clones, but them all coming from the Gedo could also be the cause. That added with the fact that White Zetsu actually does have some clones only adds to this illusion.

But their must be a reason for spiral zetsu's uniqueness. And my theory is the answer in my opinion.
 

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Will manifestation is Madara's special chakra amount the Uchiha clan

Just like how Hashirama's special chakra is mokuton, amount his senju clans man.

Gedo was being strained by mokuton and will to cultivate its power.

He used flower tree to hold it, and the cage in gedo's mouth was being held by Will manifestation.

To control the statue, you need senju and uchiha powers (mokuton/will manifestation), as well as the dna.
 

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Will manifestation is Madara's special chakra amount the Uchiha clan

Just like how Hashirama's special chakra is mokuton, amount his senju clans man.

Gedo was being strained by mokuton and will to cultivate its power.

He used flower tree to hold it, and the cage in gedo's mouth was being held by Will manifestation.

To control the statue, you need senju and uchiha powers (mokuton/will manifestation), as well as the dna.
I specifically remember your name, and Every Single Time you comment on your thread you saying something ridiculous...

Will Manifestation is the Uchiha's Chakra Power? Mokuton is not a Special Chakra it is a KKG? Do you mean Will Manifestation is the Uchiha KKG? I thought it was the Sharingan? Or is Will Manifestation one of his MS abilities? Why am i even trying to make sense of this. It annoys me how wrong what your saying is.
 
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