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Warning highly Christian concepts inside. If you are offended by Christian Ideals dont bother reading.
Here I am going to go over, in depth, some striking similarities between the Current Manga Chapter and the Judeo-Christian Biblical story of Adam and Eve.
Now if by chance you havent read my last thread or just want a refresher I highly recommend you read it
Just as mankind stole chakra from the God Tree, mankind also stole knowledge from God. Both of which took form in Fruit from a Tree.
In both cases man was not suppose to touch to fruit.
Manga:
"One day a fruit appeared on the God Tree, this only happens once in a millenium. I dont know the meaning of it but according to tradition people should lay their hands on the fruit."
Bible:
“We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’"
Now here is the thing about this scan.. It says that after eating the fruit the princess gained holy powers, afterwards it states that she was the first to use Chakra. And this alone is understandable. But...
Here Madara says that the Juubi is sucking out Chakra from people because Mankind stole that Chakra from the Juubi/God Tree. BUT we know that Chakra is created by mixing the internal energies within man.
Yin Energies relates to the spiritual energies within oneself.
Yang Energies relates to the physical energies within oneself.
When mixed together you get Chakra.
So then how could man have stolen this chakra when they had the capability to use it all along, even prior to eating the fruit... What reason does the God Tree have go around taking Chakra from people? Perhaps it is because it is not taking the Chakra itself, but rather what the Chakra represents... Which is stolen knowledge.
Here is an interesting question that I have been wondering and asking for a while now... How do he Bijuu know what they know? Kurama knows stuff about the Juubi, Hachabi knows what its final form looks like, etc... They all seem to have intimate knowledge of the Juubi and yet the two have never existed at the same period of time.
It is possible that the Sage told them about it when he created them but one must ask why? If the Juubi was resurrected, which he believed to be an inevitability, then upon doing so the Bijuu would be gone...
Perhaps they were meant to pass on this knowledge? But then the question would be to who? To humans whom the Sage placed so little confidence in that he left his statements regarding this on a stone monument that even his own descendants would have a hard time interpreting? Perhaps their is someone else...
The 4 tails is known as the Sage King of Apes, would it be too far fetched to believe that Enma would know of him? Is their a connection here? Perhaps, but I haven't figured it out yet. Just wanted to put this out as food for though for anyone interested in following this idea.
I will just link the definition of the Samsura Eye from the Wiki [
"Saṃsāra or Sangsāra, is the repeating cycle of birth, life, death and rebirth (reincarnation) within Hinduism, Buddhism, Bön, Jainism, Taoism[1] and Yoga.[2] In Sikhism this concept is slightly different and looks at one's actions in the present and consequences in the present."
Now it has been beaten into the ground that this Samsura eye is the Rinnegan. Which happens to also represent the Single Eye of the Juubi/God Tree.
And thus if the God Tree did have an eye it only stands to reason that it would be the Kishimoto's interpretation of the physical manifestation of the Samsura Eye, which itself reflects Life and Death.
I was thinking about waiting but just wanted to get this out while it was fresh in my mind. Especially given the chance that Kishi may not go into this in anymore detail, he is known for giving back stories that leave one with more questions than answers.
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Here I am going to go over, in depth, some striking similarities between the Current Manga Chapter and the Judeo-Christian Biblical story of Adam and Eve.
Now if by chance you havent read my last thread or just want a refresher I highly recommend you read it
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. As I wont be reitterating what I have already covered and it is really worth the read. Keep in mind that it is many months old.Genesis
Now in this story the basic concept is that Adam and Eve (First humans created by God) live in the Garden of Eden. They live their for a while and God tells them that the only thing they cannot do is Eat from the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" warning them that if they do they will surely Die. After a while Eve is tempted by a snake to eat from the tree claiming that God lied and that the apple is good. So Eve eats the apple then gives some to Adam to eat as well, after which they gain knowledge of Sin. God, after realizing that they ate the fruit banishes them from the Garden because "Surely they must not be made able to eat from the Tree of Life and live forever."
Here is an exceprt from the Bible itself (Not sure which translation it is so dont kill me if its worded differently):
“Because you have done this..."
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
Note that Naruto is the pretty much the reborn Sage, which would make his mother and father the reborn Princess and Prince... Who in turn are reflections of Adam and Eve.
Kushina (Eve) - during Child birth both she and her husband died shortly after leaving the beloved son to fend for himself, not to mention that Kushina was helpless to do much about this other than rely in Minato, who in the end placed some of her Chakra (Life essense) within Naruto.
Minato (Adam) - Has the ability to seemingly de-materialize (Into Dust) and then re-appear (From Dust)
Here is an exceprt from the Bible itself (Not sure which translation it is so dont kill me if its worded differently):
“Because you have done this..."
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
Note that Naruto is the pretty much the reborn Sage, which would make his mother and father the reborn Princess and Prince... Who in turn are reflections of Adam and Eve.
Kushina (Eve) - during Child birth both she and her husband died shortly after leaving the beloved son to fend for himself, not to mention that Kushina was helpless to do much about this other than rely in Minato, who in the end placed some of her Chakra (Life essense) within Naruto.
Minato (Adam) - Has the ability to seemingly de-materialize (Into Dust) and then re-appear (From Dust)
Comparison 1: Stolen Property
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Just as mankind stole chakra from the God Tree, mankind also stole knowledge from God. Both of which took form in Fruit from a Tree.
Comparison 2: Look but dont Touch
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In both cases man was not suppose to touch to fruit.
Manga:
"One day a fruit appeared on the God Tree, this only happens once in a millenium. I dont know the meaning of it but according to tradition people should lay their hands on the fruit."
Bible:
“We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’"
Comparison 3: Dust to Dust
Now to break this down further I want to qoute a few things from the above, more importantly these 3 qoutes.
"but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."
"And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” (When he says ''like one of us" he is referring to the Holy Trinity.)
"since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."
Now what the above quotes symbolize is the fact that Adam and Eve likely would not have died if not for eating from the Tree's Fruit. But we see that upon doing so and gaining said knowledge they are know "doomed" to death. But why is that? Now to me their are only 1 reasons for this:
Now let us see what is going on within this current Manga:
We see the God Tree sucking people dry of Chakra in order to take back what was rightfully its own. And in sucking them dry of Chakra they too die. So we see that in both cases man has taken something from God/God Tree and the only way to remove said thing is through death.
Remember that the use of Chakra is a technique that can be taught to people much like the Hagoromo did, so one can argue that over time the people may have learned it themselves.
But keep in mind that the knowledge is something the people at that time could never obtain. Much like Adam and Eve would have never realized they were naked if not for eating the fruit, the people would never have known they had the potential to mold chakra without them eating the fruit.
And thus the God Tree is taking back all instances of this stolen knowledge by stripping it from anyone who has it. And only in death can they truly be separated from it. I will explain this a bit more in Part 2.
"but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."
"And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” (When he says ''like one of us" he is referring to the Holy Trinity.)
"since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."
Now what the above quotes symbolize is the fact that Adam and Eve likely would not have died if not for eating from the Tree's Fruit. But we see that upon doing so and gaining said knowledge they are know "doomed" to death. But why is that? Now to me their are only 1 reasons for this:
- Man and this knowledge are separated at death at which time the knowledge returns to the tree.
Now let us see what is going on within this current Manga:
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We see the God Tree sucking people dry of Chakra in order to take back what was rightfully its own. And in sucking them dry of Chakra they too die. So we see that in both cases man has taken something from God/God Tree and the only way to remove said thing is through death.
Remember that the use of Chakra is a technique that can be taught to people much like the Hagoromo did, so one can argue that over time the people may have learned it themselves.
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But keep in mind that the knowledge is something the people at that time could never obtain. Much like Adam and Eve would have never realized they were naked if not for eating the fruit, the people would never have known they had the potential to mold chakra without them eating the fruit.
And thus the God Tree is taking back all instances of this stolen knowledge by stripping it from anyone who has it. And only in death can they truly be separated from it. I will explain this a bit more in Part 2.
Comparison 3 Part 2: Chakra
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Now here is the thing about this scan.. It says that after eating the fruit the princess gained holy powers, afterwards it states that she was the first to use Chakra. And this alone is understandable. But...
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Here Madara says that the Juubi is sucking out Chakra from people because Mankind stole that Chakra from the Juubi/God Tree. BUT we know that Chakra is created by mixing the internal energies within man.
Yin Energies relates to the spiritual energies within oneself.
Yang Energies relates to the physical energies within oneself.
When mixed together you get Chakra.
So then how could man have stolen this chakra when they had the capability to use it all along, even prior to eating the fruit... What reason does the God Tree have go around taking Chakra from people? Perhaps it is because it is not taking the Chakra itself, but rather what the Chakra represents... Which is stolen knowledge.
Senseless Sense
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Here is an interesting question that I have been wondering and asking for a while now... How do he Bijuu know what they know? Kurama knows stuff about the Juubi, Hachabi knows what its final form looks like, etc... They all seem to have intimate knowledge of the Juubi and yet the two have never existed at the same period of time.
It is possible that the Sage told them about it when he created them but one must ask why? If the Juubi was resurrected, which he believed to be an inevitability, then upon doing so the Bijuu would be gone...
Perhaps they were meant to pass on this knowledge? But then the question would be to who? To humans whom the Sage placed so little confidence in that he left his statements regarding this on a stone monument that even his own descendants would have a hard time interpreting? Perhaps their is someone else...
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The 4 tails is known as the Sage King of Apes, would it be too far fetched to believe that Enma would know of him? Is their a connection here? Perhaps, but I haven't figured it out yet. Just wanted to put this out as food for though for anyone interested in following this idea.
Shyamalan Twist
Here is the twist that people probably wont see coming... I dont think the God Tree is the Tree of Knowledge...
I think that if Kishimoto is doing what I think he is doing then this isnt just a Parallel but an actual continuation of the possible events in the bible. And if that is the case then that it couldnt be the Tree of Knowledge as we already have the knowledge of Good and Evil:
1) We descended from Adam and Eve and they ate it.
2) We arent walking around Naked.
But then what is his tree?
"And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
A Radical idea I know but bare with me and look at this scan:
You see how the princess is in the air.. keep in mind the look of that image. Now look at this:
Do you see what I see? Her Jutsu looks alot like Rinne Tensei, Perhaps she is using it to revive the people in her village who had died, who are in turn happy.
To even further speak on this look at this scan:
"Nagato is the 7th pain able to control Life and Death"
So we see this:
I think that if Kishimoto is doing what I think he is doing then this isnt just a Parallel but an actual continuation of the possible events in the bible. And if that is the case then that it couldnt be the Tree of Knowledge as we already have the knowledge of Good and Evil:
1) We descended from Adam and Eve and they ate it.
2) We arent walking around Naked.
But then what is his tree?
"And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
A Radical idea I know but bare with me and look at this scan:
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You see how the princess is in the air.. keep in mind the look of that image. Now look at this:
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Do you see what I see? Her Jutsu looks alot like Rinne Tensei, Perhaps she is using it to revive the people in her village who had died, who are in turn happy.
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To even further speak on this look at this scan:
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"Nagato is the 7th pain able to control Life and Death"
So we see this:
- There were 2 Tree's that were spoken of, One was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil; The other the Tree of Life.
- We know that the Tree cannot be the Tree of Knowledge as we already have said Knowledge.
- Thus the only other Tree is the Tree of Life.
- We know that after eating from its fruit the Princess had the ability to control life. (Rinne Tensei)
Rinnegan
One thing you may ask is whether the princess had the Rinnegan... I would say that it is likely what she obtained from eating the fruit, which was then passed down to her son.
It would explain why shortly after she ate the fruit she was then able to make use of Chakra and Jutsu, As you know merely having Chakra is not enough to make things happen, but one must also have years of training. With the Rinnegan she would have been able to quickly master all techniques including the abilities of each of the 7 Paths of Pain, including "Life and Death".
It would explain why shortly after she ate the fruit she was then able to make use of Chakra and Jutsu, As you know merely having Chakra is not enough to make things happen, but one must also have years of training. With the Rinnegan she would have been able to quickly master all techniques including the abilities of each of the 7 Paths of Pain, including "Life and Death".
Samsura Eye
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I will just link the definition of the Samsura Eye from the Wiki [
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]"Saṃsāra or Sangsāra, is the repeating cycle of birth, life, death and rebirth (reincarnation) within Hinduism, Buddhism, Bön, Jainism, Taoism[1] and Yoga.[2] In Sikhism this concept is slightly different and looks at one's actions in the present and consequences in the present."
Now it has been beaten into the ground that this Samsura eye is the Rinnegan. Which happens to also represent the Single Eye of the Juubi/God Tree.
And thus if the God Tree did have an eye it only stands to reason that it would be the Kishimoto's interpretation of the physical manifestation of the Samsura Eye, which itself reflects Life and Death.
Conclusion
The recent Manga resembles the story of Adam and Eve, and with that we can make certain inferences about the Nature of what is going on, and the Nature of the Juubi itself.
Biblical Qoutes taken from:
Biblical Qoutes taken from:
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UPDATE 1
Thanks! I agree with both parts of your argument. I was actually going to touch on the fact that this is all taken from 1 Chapter and how it is, in a sense, pending additional information. But I took that out along with some other points I made before posting this just to shorten things to a readable portion.
I was thinking about waiting but just wanted to get this out while it was fresh in my mind. Especially given the chance that Kishi may not go into this in anymore detail, he is known for giving back stories that leave one with more questions than answers.
To any man diligent to actually read the entire thing, I commend you, and hoped you Enjoyed it.
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