[FEAR] Madara's Trump Card Revealed ()

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Indeed. Which is why i'm concerned. I don't want it to be a "friendly" battle for hokage-ship or something. I was looking forward to the no-holds-barred death match that was to befall them. With the outcome deciding the fate of Konoha. Destruction, or Salvation.

The problem is by the time Juubi is taken care of, Naruto would have already greatly outclassed Sasuke (receiving Kurama's Yin Half, the other Bijūs' Chakras, Rikūdo powerup,etc) so for Naruto and Sasuke to stand on equal footing, Naruto must be "depowered" after the Jūbi is taken care of, either by exhausting most of his power from defeating the Jūbi or the lost of the Bijūs chakra inside him post-Jūbi fight.

 

[The Necromancer]

The problem is by the time Juubi is taken care of, Naruto would have already greatly outclassed Sasuke (receiving Kurama's Yin Half, the other Bijūs' Chakras, Rikūdo powerup,etc) so for Naruto and Sasuke to stand on equal footing, Naruto must be depowered after the Jūbi is taken care of, either by exhausting most of his power from defeating the Jūbi or the lost of the Bijūs chakra inside him post-Jūbi fight.

For a while, i theorized that Tobi would take the kyuubi and hachibi, killing bee and only sparing naruto due to his uzumaki heritage and sage mode, leaving it to SM Naruto and EMS Sasuke to defeat Obito. However with current events unfolding, that doesn't seem to be the direction it will go, and so i have nooooo idea how sasuke would catch up. Personally, i felt that full SM naruto (with some minor boosts, maybe FTG? Idk) vs. EMS sasuke would be a fair fight. But alas...

 

[marijuanna]

You know what, you are absolutely right, and add this to your thread

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While speaking from the left side obito attaks it's own body and explodes his right side

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Right after doing it he takes control back, theory proved

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

For a while, i theorized that Tobi would take the kyuubi and hachibi, killing bee and only sparing naruto due to his uzumaki heritage and sage mode, leaving it to SM Naruto and EMS Sasuke to defeat Obito. However with current events unfolding, that doesn't seem to be the direction it will go, and so i have nooooo idea how sasuke would catch up. Personally, i felt that full SM naruto (with some minor boosts, maybe FTG? Idk) vs. EMS sasuke would be a fair fight. But alas...

Yes it will be very difficult for Sasuke to catch up to Naruto after the latter receives those hax powerups he's bound to get. Only option is to "depower" him or leave him in a fatigued state after the Jūbi fight when he fights Sasuke.

 

[The Necromancer]

Yes it will be very difficult for Sasuke to catch up to Naruto after the latter receives those hax powerups he's bound to get. Only option is to "depower" him or leave him in a fatigued state after the Jūbi fight when he fights Sasuke.

I keep tying to think of possible powerups or advancements sasuke could achieve... but nothing currently known in the Narutoverse would put him on par with Naruto after that. Maybe the Elder Doujutsu, but even that's doubtful.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I keep tying to think of possible powerups or advancements sasuke could achieve... but nothing currently known in the Narutoverse would put him on par with Naruto after that. Maybe the Elder Doujutsu, but even that's doubtful.

What about Totsuka and Yata?

 

[The Necromancer]

What about Totsuka and Yata?

Thought about that too... Possibly... But the way i see it, only Yata would help, and it would only help defensively. Totsuka imo does the same job as sasuke's enton sword should they both connect.

 

[Transcendence]

Thought about that too... Possibly... But the way i see it, only Yata would help, and it would only help defensively. Totsuka imo does the same job as sasuke's enton sword should they both connect.

I theorized about that a while back. Here's the thread:

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You can just skip to the Sasuke portion.

 

[The Necromancer]

I theorized about that a while back. Here's the thread:

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You can just skip to the Sasuke portion.

It was an interesting read. Props, yo.

 

[jdasprawler]

Read it all, sounds pretty cool lol, maybe Madara takes over for a bit and Obito realizes he did something wrong, just for the sake of plot of course

 

[thunderthehybrid]

No, only Kishi knows his trump card. But good effort.

 

[Nous]

I believe similar.

Sir Derp Obito and I, have discussed a theory regarding Madara's True Intention as well as Madara's Trump Card. We both proposed the possibility of it being Creation of All Things. Madara is challenging Hashirama as you stated, because Mokuton can suppress Bijū. We doubt that Obito is the Jinchūriki of the Final Jūbi so Madara is simply waiting for that Jūbi to arrive thus forcing Obito to lose control and Madara can take over his body, use Creation of All Things to split Obito from the Jūbi and then force Obito to revive him and Madara becomes a Jinchūriki..

Both our theories relate back to controlling Obito and eventually becoming the Jūbi Jinchūriki.. As always, well done!

 

[Ryan Ensign]

That's basically what he tried before, which didn't work even from the start. Obito pretended to be controlled.

 

[tadachi]

dudethat black zetsu shit u r talking about is just part of the 2nd madara sealed within obito...TOBI IS UCHIHA MADARA manipulating obito....this is the biggest secret hidden within Tobi's mystery...thats why itachi and kisame said tobi was madara...they weren't fooled..you might check out the youtube channel of "Zoso Banbutsu" ..and his tobi 2013 theory..

 

[osba]

hhm yes but wouldn't naruto notice and make mention of it if obitos persona would change so drastically? surely he would notice and make note of the change in minds?
i really really like the zetsu part though! well thought out!
nice theory man

 

[FearxDeath]

If we agree that his trump card will probably fail and he is removed from the plot, then there is still the matter concerning Obito himself, how long can he truly control the Jūbi? Because like I said plot necessitates it to reach its full transformation, outside or inside a Jin, if my hypothesis is correct that the Jūbi is sentient (Sojobo) then ultimately it will overtake the host. The relation of a hostile Bijū and its Jin is a struggle for domination, not a symbiotic relationship of a Perfect Jinchūriki like Naruto/Kurama, Killer B/Gyūki

The Sage was able to keep the Juubi, final form and all, sealed for the duration of his life and even after wards sealed it in the moon and divided its power. Obito using the same seal should be able to show similar results as seals are not easily broken, hence why no Tailed Beast to date have done so.

But in states of emotional or physical weakness Tailed Beasts have been shown to be able to temporarily take control of their hosts, much like Shukaku did with Gaara when he was a little kid and found out his mother didnt love him. I think this lends itself to the reason why Madara is keeping Hashirama from fighting Juubito, but I dont think that when the Juubi reaches its final form that it will simply break the seal and run amuck, atleast not without outside help.

You know what, you are absolutely right, and add this to your thread

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While speaking from the left side obito attaks it's own body and explodes his right side

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Right after doing it he takes control back, theory proved

When will people learn that NB has a

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and that if you link images from their the links will ALWAYS work... x__x

No, only Kishi knows his trump card. But good effort.

Why did you even bother typing that?

I believe similar.

Sir Derp Obito and I, have discussed a theory regarding Madara's True Intention as well as Madara's Trump Card. We both proposed the possibility of it being Creation of All Things. Madara is challenging Hashirama as you stated, because Mokuton can suppress Bijū. We doubt that Obito is the Jinchūriki of the Final Jūbi so Madara is simply waiting for that Jūbi to arrive thus forcing Obito to lose control and Madara can take over his body, use Creation of All Things to split Obito from the Jūbi and then force Obito to revive him and Madara becomes a Jinchūriki..

Both our theories relate back to controlling Obito and eventually becoming the Jūbi Jinchūriki.. As always, well done!

I dont think the Creation of all things is that simple, I will be making a thread on this sometime, keep in eye out for it and I dont think the Juubi can simply take control, see what I typed above to derp *all hail the king*.

That's basically what he tried before, which didn't work even from the start. Obito pretended to be controlled.

He didnt pretend to be anything, he was just able to overcome Madara's Will for a brief period of time through sheer will power. Something not even Naruto could do when stabbed with just 1 of Pains Black Rods. If you believe Obito will simply overcome Madara's Will again then you are underestimating Madara.

dudethat black zetsu shit u r talking about is just part of the 2nd madara sealed within obito...TOBI IS UCHIHA MADARA manipulating obito....this is the biggest secret hidden within Tobi's mystery...thats why itachi and kisame said tobi was madara...they weren't fooled..you might check out the youtube channel of "Zoso Banbutsu" ..and his tobi 2013 theory..

This sounds very interseting, I think what your saying is that Madara could have been controlling Obito the same way that Obito was controlling Yagura? But if that were the case it would raise some questions:

1) What is the point of the Flash Back where we see why Obito decided to follow Madara
2) How did Madara maintain this control after he died
3) Why Madara isnt currently still controlling Obito
etc...

hhm yes but wouldn't naruto notice and make mention of it if obitos persona would change so drastically? surely he would notice and make note of the change in minds?
i really really like the zetsu part though! well thought out!
nice theory man

Sent a message about this =D

 

[osba]

Sent a message about this =D

so did i

 

[Mr Hiru]

This sounds very interseting, I think what your saying is that Madara could have been controlling Obito the same way that Obito was controlling Yagura? But if that were the case it would raise some questions:

1) What is the point of the Flash Back where we see why Obito decided to follow Madara
2) How did Madara maintain this control after he died
3) Why Madara isnt currently still controlling Obito
etc...

Indeed, interesting... possible answers:

1) There was no other way to link Madara with an spare Uchiha to follow his plan.
2) He didn't need to. He brainwashed Obito, he didn't need more than that but...
3) ...we don't know anything about this, maybe Madara is still doing this.

 

[yoshimitsu]

That was a lot to read, and I really don't want to, so I'm going to assume it sounds good and applaud your theory.

you should at least read his summary to get the jist of it all.

and seeing that the summary revolves around some seal that has never been spoken of, I can't make sense of the rest.

[fear] instead of "theory", I can only speculate as to why..

 

[FearxDeath]

Indeed, interesting... possible answers:

1) There was no other way to link Madara with an spare Uchiha to follow his plan.
2) He didn't need to. He brainwashed Obito, he didn't need more than that but...
3) ...we don't know anything about this, maybe Madara is still doing this.

? What the guy I was responding to was saying was that Madara has been controlling Obito the entire time even after his death, not figuratively, but litterally controlling Obito. The same way Obito was controlling Yagura and making him do things. So my questions were as follows:

1) If he was controlling Obito the entire time, then what is the point of the flashback where Obito agree's and has reason to willingly join Madara. If Obito did so willingly then their is no reason for Madara to implement this "Control".
2) We arent talking about brainwash, what the guy I was responding to said was litterally controlling Obito, as in, Obito isnt here right now, leave a message and he will get back to you when I am done controlling his body. So what I was asking was that How did Madara maintain this controll even after his death, which is when Genjutsu wears off.
3) We know Madara isnt based on the fact that they seem to argue with each other and disagree, not to mention Obito made himself the Jinc instead of reviving madara with Rinne Tensei, but perhaps this is all an elaborate ruse?

you should at least read his summary to get the jist of it all.

and seeing that the summary revolves around some seal that has never been spoken of, I can't make sense of the rest.

[fear] instead of "theory", I can only speculate as to why..

What seal are you talking about?

I used fear to differentiate my theories from other theories, the only thing I post are theories so putting theory there seemed redundant, fear seemed more suitable.