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This is a great observation I made but chances are its going to be pretty dry, I shortened it ask much as I could without taking away its core meaning, you may want to skim through it or skip to the end but read through the entire thing if possible, its not long.
Formations
To begin this thread I wanted to re-itterate something we all already know about, and that is formations or the trinity.
Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura
Kakashi, Obito, Rin
Jiraiya, Orochimaru, Tsunade
Hashirama, Madara, Mito
The basic formation is Boy, Boy, Girl
But this can be deconstructed even further to say Joyful boy, disturbed boy, conflicted girl
Now this formation can be linked to the formations of teams, as in Team 7 (Team Kakashi) etc... But the overall arc/components of these specific teams seem to be so similar that the characters are more or less interchangeable.
Now the thing here is that if you get too comfortable putting things within these set formations you may find yourself putting things in formations that may or may not be the case. A good example would be if you didnt consider the Sannin as being a part of this formation, you would then jump to the assumption that the disturbed boy must always be an Uchiha, as the pattern without the Sannin would reflect that. So as you can see this can cause a bit of problems if you make an assumption that may not be entirely accurate.
Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura
Kakashi, Obito, Rin
Jiraiya, Orochimaru, Tsunade
Hashirama, Madara, Mito
The basic formation is Boy, Boy, Girl
But this can be deconstructed even further to say Joyful boy, disturbed boy, conflicted girl
Now this formation can be linked to the formations of teams, as in Team 7 (Team Kakashi) etc... But the overall arc/components of these specific teams seem to be so similar that the characters are more or less interchangeable.
Now the thing here is that if you get too comfortable putting things within these set formations you may find yourself putting things in formations that may or may not be the case. A good example would be if you didnt consider the Sannin as being a part of this formation, you would then jump to the assumption that the disturbed boy must always be an Uchiha, as the pattern without the Sannin would reflect that. So as you can see this can cause a bit of problems if you make an assumption that may not be entirely accurate.
Formations Analysis
So we have the basic and core components of the formation/trinity:
A) Boy, Boy, Girl
and
B) Joyful, Disturbed, Conflicted
If we see these attributes within a group of 3 people then you have yourself a fomation/trinity. Now ofcourse their are other 3 man teams like, well, all the other teams in Konoha, but Team 7 is the only one that fits this trinity. And thus they are what I call a Main Trinity/Formation, as oppose to a Side Trinity/Formation.
Now we dont have to stop there, their is a way to further breakdown a Formation/Trinity based on another pattern we see in each Trinity.
A) Joyful boy starts off weaker than Disturbed boy, but over time they grow to become equals or even Joyful boy being stronger than Disturbed boy.
B) Conflicted girl likes/admires Disturbed boy for his strenght at a young age, but over time her affection shifts to the joyful boy.
Now I dont say things without backing them up, the Point A is fairly simple and I am sure everyone see's this pattern as well, but you may say, Did Tsunade ever like/admire Orochimaru? Well I think that can be assume, I mean he was declared a genius at a young age and he was a candidate to become Hokage so I think its a given that at same point in time Tsunade had a crush on him. But in case your on the verge here are some nonconclusive scans x_x
Orochimaru saying he knows the most when it comes to Tsunade
Tsunade upon seeing Orochimaru come on the battlefeild immediantly trusts him and signals Katsuya to stand down, afterwards they have a some nice bantar as if all had been forgiven.
But most importantly I want you to look at these 2 scans directly follow each other, the first shows Orochimaru next to Sasuke, and Tsunade next to Sakura, and as we know Sakura had a thing for Sasuke, much like... I think you know where im going with this.
Note that Tsunade is giving Orochimaru the same look that Sakura is giving Sasuke, and Sai asks a question, which is very important. From their I will let you draw your own conclusion on whether Tsunade ever had feelings for Orochimaru.
So the jury may still be out on whether Tsunade had feelings for Orochimaru, to me it seems more than likely that she did, as he was probably the Sasuke of his childhood, and we all know that girls love
With that we see that everyone follows this formula.
A) Kakashi started off stronger than Obito and Rin liked Kakashi, towards Obito's death he activated the Sharingan and showed massive development, arguably becoming stronger if not equal to Kakashi, and we see Rin's affection shift over to Obito as well.
B) We also know that Orochimaru was stronger than Jiraiya at a young age, and they were arguably equal during adulthood. And the above shows we can safely assume Tsunade had feelings for Orochimaru when they were younger, and as time went on we see that she has mixed feelings for Jiraiya.
C) And we all know the story with Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura.
Their is actually only 1 Formation that doesnt seem to make any sense?
A) Boy, Boy, Girl
and
B) Joyful, Disturbed, Conflicted
If we see these attributes within a group of 3 people then you have yourself a fomation/trinity. Now ofcourse their are other 3 man teams like, well, all the other teams in Konoha, but Team 7 is the only one that fits this trinity. And thus they are what I call a Main Trinity/Formation, as oppose to a Side Trinity/Formation.
Now we dont have to stop there, their is a way to further breakdown a Formation/Trinity based on another pattern we see in each Trinity.
A) Joyful boy starts off weaker than Disturbed boy, but over time they grow to become equals or even Joyful boy being stronger than Disturbed boy.
B) Conflicted girl likes/admires Disturbed boy for his strenght at a young age, but over time her affection shifts to the joyful boy.
Now I dont say things without backing them up, the Point A is fairly simple and I am sure everyone see's this pattern as well, but you may say, Did Tsunade ever like/admire Orochimaru? Well I think that can be assume, I mean he was declared a genius at a young age and he was a candidate to become Hokage so I think its a given that at same point in time Tsunade had a crush on him. But in case your on the verge here are some nonconclusive scans x_x
Orochimaru saying he knows the most when it comes to Tsunade
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Tsunade upon seeing Orochimaru come on the battlefeild immediantly trusts him and signals Katsuya to stand down, afterwards they have a some nice bantar as if all had been forgiven.
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But most importantly I want you to look at these 2 scans directly follow each other, the first shows Orochimaru next to Sasuke, and Tsunade next to Sakura, and as we know Sakura had a thing for Sasuke, much like... I think you know where im going with this.
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Note that Tsunade is giving Orochimaru the same look that Sakura is giving Sasuke, and Sai asks a question, which is very important. From their I will let you draw your own conclusion on whether Tsunade ever had feelings for Orochimaru.
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So the jury may still be out on whether Tsunade had feelings for Orochimaru, to me it seems more than likely that she did, as he was probably the Sasuke of his childhood, and we all know that girls love
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, I mean sasuke. But I think the more important question is whether or not Tsunade not only liked Orochimaru but also, like the other conflicted girls, shifted over to admiring/liking Jiraiya. Well to that I say its possible, I think here she has more mixed feelings for Jiraiya, especially seeing as to how she has this notion that everyone she loves is bound to die. But let me show you a few scans that I think show Tsunade and Jiraiya's relationship a bit more.
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With that we see that everyone follows this formula.
A) Kakashi started off stronger than Obito and Rin liked Kakashi, towards Obito's death he activated the Sharingan and showed massive development, arguably becoming stronger if not equal to Kakashi, and we see Rin's affection shift over to Obito as well.
B) We also know that Orochimaru was stronger than Jiraiya at a young age, and they were arguably equal during adulthood. And the above shows we can safely assume Tsunade had feelings for Orochimaru when they were younger, and as time went on we see that she has mixed feelings for Jiraiya.
C) And we all know the story with Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura.
Their is actually only 1 Formation that doesnt seem to make any sense?
Exposing Formation
Hashirama, Madara, Mito
That formation doesnt seem to make any sense at all for 1 main reason. It doesnt fit the pattern:
A) Joyful boy starts off weaker than Disturbed boy, but over time they grow to become equals or even Joyful boy being stronger than Disturbed boy.
B) Conflicted girl likes/admires Disturbed boy for his strenght at a young age, but over time her affection shifts to the joyful boy.
First off, we know that Hashirama has more or less Always been stronger than Madara:
Next we know that Madara and Hashirama have been fighting since they were kids, more or less, and we know that Mito doesnt come into the picture until later on, towards the alliance of Konoha and Uzushio. So Madara doesnt fit the rule of the conflicted girl admiring him either. It just doesnt add up... But, what if their was someone else who fit the bill.
Hmmmm
So here is what I want to propose, I think that it may be possible that their could be a current formation that is wrong. What is that formation?
Hashirama, Madara, Mito
What formation would I propose that would replace this?
Hashirama, Tobirama, Mito
Now this is a pretty bold claim if you really understand what I am getting at, because it, in a sense, removes Madara as a main arch character and replaces him with Tobirama, who most people think of as a Side Character. Not that their is anything wrong with Side Characters like Neji, Kimmimaro, or Asuma. But they are no Team 7 (Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura)
Why do I believe this? Well I came to this conclusion after seeing just how important of a character Tobirama is, here are some things you should know about him, some you know, some you didnt notice:
But more importantly I think he was just a sronger person than Hashirama mentally, he was reserved, cool-headed, and intellegent.
Towards their adulthood we see a shift from Tobirama being cool-headed and Hashirama being rashful, we instead see Hashirama being cool-headed and often stopping Tobirama from being too rash.
All I am saying is that a good argument can be made that Tobirama is better suited for Hashirama's Trinity than Madara.
Tobirama was:
A) A Disturbed Boy, one could argue how disturbed he is but he to me is reminiscent of Kakashi who was the Disturbed boy of his group. And in actuality, each of the Disturbed Boys were emotional dead zero's as kids, but had cool-heads and were rational to a fault. This is a pattern we see in all of them, including Tobirama.
B) around to have been admired by Mito, unlike Madara
C) stronger than Hashirama, in a sense, as kids, unlike Madara
That formation doesnt seem to make any sense at all for 1 main reason. It doesnt fit the pattern:
A) Joyful boy starts off weaker than Disturbed boy, but over time they grow to become equals or even Joyful boy being stronger than Disturbed boy.
B) Conflicted girl likes/admires Disturbed boy for his strenght at a young age, but over time her affection shifts to the joyful boy.
First off, we know that Hashirama has more or less Always been stronger than Madara:
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Next we know that Madara and Hashirama have been fighting since they were kids, more or less, and we know that Mito doesnt come into the picture until later on, towards the alliance of Konoha and Uzushio. So Madara doesnt fit the rule of the conflicted girl admiring him either. It just doesnt add up... But, what if their was someone else who fit the bill.
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Hmmmm
So here is what I want to propose, I think that it may be possible that their could be a current formation that is wrong. What is that formation?
Hashirama, Madara, Mito
What formation would I propose that would replace this?
Hashirama, Tobirama, Mito
Now this is a pretty bold claim if you really understand what I am getting at, because it, in a sense, removes Madara as a main arch character and replaces him with Tobirama, who most people think of as a Side Character. Not that their is anything wrong with Side Characters like Neji, Kimmimaro, or Asuma. But they are no Team 7 (Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura)
Why do I believe this? Well I came to this conclusion after seeing just how important of a character Tobirama is, here are some things you should know about him, some you know, some you didnt notice:
- He was introduced to the manga before Madara was
- He invented many powerful jutsu like Edo Tensie, Shadow Clones, Haraishin, Infinite Exploding Tags, etc...
- He has intimate knowledge of almost every Jutsu, even knowing what Onmyoudon was simply by seeing its use.
- Great sensing abilities
- His abilities with the Water Style was said to be astonishing even by Kage standards by an ANBU black ops member, and that was when he was summoned at half power by Orochimaru.
- He invented the Konoho Military, Schools, ANBU, and most other important groups within Konoha.
- Died fighting the sqaud that Ginkaku and Kinkaku were a part of, we can assume they died their as well since they havent aged.
- Fought along side Hashirama for several years
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But more importantly I think he was just a sronger person than Hashirama mentally, he was reserved, cool-headed, and intellegent.
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Towards their adulthood we see a shift from Tobirama being cool-headed and Hashirama being rashful, we instead see Hashirama being cool-headed and often stopping Tobirama from being too rash.
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All I am saying is that a good argument can be made that Tobirama is better suited for Hashirama's Trinity than Madara.
Tobirama was:
A) A Disturbed Boy, one could argue how disturbed he is but he to me is reminiscent of Kakashi who was the Disturbed boy of his group. And in actuality, each of the Disturbed Boys were emotional dead zero's as kids, but had cool-heads and were rational to a fault. This is a pattern we see in all of them, including Tobirama.
B) around to have been admired by Mito, unlike Madara
C) stronger than Hashirama, in a sense, as kids, unlike Madara
Importance of this Discovery
Well we see that the Archetype of Naruto's Trinity closely follows that of Hashirama's, and Naruto and Hashirama themselves also have a few stricking similarities. So we see that the way Hashirama's Trinity plays out will in affect reflect how Naruto's Trinity will play out.
If Madara is in the Trinity:
Then we see Sasuke and Naruto fighting to the bitter end, much like Madara and Hashirama did at the valley of the end.
If Tobirama is in the Trinity
Then we see Naruto and Sasuke joining forces and working together to make Konoha a better place. I would like to say more but we know very little about the relationship between Hashirama and Tobirama.
Some people may say, well why would Sasuke just drop his quest for revenge? Well its simple, The dying words of a brother can be a powerful motivator:
If Madara is in the Trinity:
Then we see Sasuke and Naruto fighting to the bitter end, much like Madara and Hashirama did at the valley of the end.
If Tobirama is in the Trinity
Then we see Naruto and Sasuke joining forces and working together to make Konoha a better place. I would like to say more but we know very little about the relationship between Hashirama and Tobirama.
Some people may say, well why would Sasuke just drop his quest for revenge? Well its simple, The dying words of a brother can be a powerful motivator:
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Conclusion
For those of you who have been dying to see Sasuke and Naruto go at it dont get too sad, its still a very good possibility. I am just saying that if I am right on this, chances are no one will die, and they will end up working together to make Konoha a better place.
Enjoy the Read
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