[Discussion] Fans Don't Understand "Difficulty" and "Levels"

WolfHaley

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There are people who thinks Luffy vs. Lucci was a high diff fight? If I changed one thing about that fight, the outcome would be different. Remove Usopp from the equation and Luffy would've lost.

That's not true. Lucci vs Luffy was neck and neck, the second one person slipped ahead by an inch, the other evened it up, then slipped ahead, and it continued that way. If Usopp wasn't there, all that would have happened was Lucci would have taken off to kill the other Strawhats, and that definitely would have given Luffy the same motivational boost to stand up.
 

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That's not true. Lucci vs Luffy was neck and neck, the second one person slipped ahead by an inch, the other evened it up, then slipped ahead, and it continued that way. If Usopp wasn't there, all that would have happened was Lucci would have taken off to kill the other Strawhats, and that definitely would have given Luffy the same motivational boost to stand up.

well yeah after he went gear 2nd.before that lufyy was being medd diffed and i doubt lucci would take off to kill the other SH's without finishing luffy off.
 

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You logic seems flawed. You try to give some sort of standard and objective view over the matter, but, in the end it's still your own opinion. And you even contradict yourself. Case in point, for some reason, you deemed Fujitora vs Sabo, a battle that isn't even finished, as Med-Difficulty, which you defined as a battle where both sides are equally threatening, and then classified Sabo 1 tier lower than Fujitora.
Your logic is fundamentally flawed either way. There's no quantifiable way to judge strength in characters, and there's too many variables to say, with certainty, that a character will defeat one or the other. Even the smallest most weakest character can kill the strongest most threatening foe if the circumstance is right. And that has been show in the manga many times, like, for example, Wax being actually useful against Poison. And not to mention that the strength of a character doesn't necessarily mean physical strength, it could mean endurance, intelligence, charm, etc. No one, in their right mind, would say Luffy vs Nami results in Nami's victory, but what if the fight is a navigational obstacle course?

There is no way to define the characters in tiers or the fights in difficulty, and there is no point. It's good to argue about what if's, as in, what could have happened if this character did this differently, or if this characters was here, or if the circumstances were different, but the fact remains that everything is subjective. Trying to appear impartial while assuming your own personal opinion is just not going to work.

Wow...my dear, I see what's your main point there. But the sole reason these terms (diff. & tier) are created by fans is to have an idea of their physical strength. Since Oda himself often refuse to answer strength level questions like this from fans (referring SBS), they make their own list based on self-observation on the manga so far. Of course the real strength of a person can't be standardised with such terminologies, due to the fact it is, as you stated, very subjective. But it's a bit relief to know and confirm something about one's outer surface power with others.

OT: Not wholly agree but it's a good explanation and effort. Don't get flipped out too much for each dislike from other members about your list, since it's hard to have the same opinions about these unofficial standardisation in fandom. :D
 
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