Fallacious claims being made about the latest Chapter

[Apêx1]

• "Sasuke's PS was overrated, Naruto's BSM 50 chapters ago could've stopped it."

-That is false, Naruto's BSM avatar was never this large. Based on what? Based on the fact that it was relatively the same size asSasuke's CM enhanced v3 [

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], which is much smaller than PS.
-Naruto now posses Rikudo's Senjutsu and chakra, this means Naruto's avatar is heavily enhanced by the two of these.

• "Sasuke can replicate that Chidori in base"

-An extremely unlikely scenario, there should be no reason for Sasuke to somehow whip out a Chidori 100's of times larger than himself and be unaffected.
-Bee was electrocuted briefly, despite his Raiton nature. This quantity of Raiton should definitely have some detrimental effects on Sasuke, although much larger scaled Chidori's in comparison to before should be possible.

• "Naruto's Super Bijuu Dama is much stronger than the one he just used"

-False. BM Naruto's Super Bijuu Dama should've constituted for half this explosion [

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]
-This explosion, which is constituted by half of Naruto's TBB, is vastly larger than the previous one. One can clearly see this when looking at the mountains of the two, this explosion dwarfed them to a far greater extent.

• "Madara's Destruction Incarnate is much more powerful than Sasuke's"

-People claim since Rikudo Enhanced Kyuubi blocked the PS swipes, Sasuke's PS is somehow weaker than Madara's.
-Madara himself said his is comparable to Bijuu, even if we assumed he was speaking of the Kyuubi, a 100% Kyuubi doesn't begin to compare to a Rikudo Enhanced 50% Kyuubi; whose strength, durability and speed would be on a league of their own.
-Sasuke's PS has a smaller amount of chakra exerted into it, but the chakra that is outputted is much more potent due to Rikudo's chakra. I saw this image, which somewhat conveys the difference [

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]. Sasuke's attack was blocked, thus never reached its momentum's peak, yet created this far of a shockwave, Madara's shockwave reached a smaller distance despite reaching its full momentum. ---Don't forget Sasuke's full momentum allowing him to slice mountain ranges several times[

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] in a mere instant.

• "Sasuke didn't hit Naruto this chapter"

-Sasuke did hit Naruto to some extent with his incomplete Chidori, as portrayed here by the electricity [

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]. Naruto was thrown this far after being hit by Sasuke's hand [

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]. Now before people start saying "how come he was thrown far instead of pierced".. Sasuke's Chidori comes in differing variations, one more destructive while one penetrative. This is emphasised by the way in which the fingers are positioned, similar to the Third Raikage's Nukite mechanics. Here, the fingers are somewhat bent [

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]. One can clearly see in the first two scans that this creates a destructive force in contrast to the straight finger Chidori which creates penetrative power only. [

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-These definitely portray that there is quite a difference between straight finger Chidori and bent fingered Chidori, somewhat comparable to Raikage's 4 Finger Nukite (had his fingers been more opened) and his lower amounts of fingers. So technically, Naruto was hit/blasted away much more than an attempted attempt to pierce through him like he pierced through Madara with his Chidori Eiso. And for the people who still think Naruto's durability was just so good, an attempt to pierce him ended up throwing him back.. Chidori Eiso is stated in the DB to be less penetrative than regular Chidori, thus Shinju Madara's durability being far above Naruto's suggests that if Sasuke attempted to cut him when he makes contact with him, he would.

 

[Stxluciferr]

Damn Apex is slanging that truth

 

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Cool novel

 

[LuckyMan]

Tldr

its clear to everyone Kishi is giving Naruto that plot induced stupidity. He can kill Sasuke anytime he wants.

 

[Allsymbolsparttwo]

695 - 50 = 645
chapter 645 states

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so....

 

[Kamui Sama]

Madara's rikudo PS would shit on both of this noobs if he bothered to whip it out U_U

 

[Gagster]

• "Sasuke's PS was overrated, Naruto's BSM 50 chapters ago could've stopped it."

-That is false, Naruto's BSM avatar was never this large. Based on what? Based on the fact that it was relatively the same size asSasuke's CM enhanced v3 [

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], which is much smaller than PS.
-Naruto now posses Rikudo's Senjutsu and chakra, this means Naruto's avatar is heavily enhanced by the two of these.

• "Sasuke can replicate that Chidori in base"

-An extremely unlikely scenario, there should be no reason for Sasuke to somehow whip out a Chidori 100's of times larger than himself and be unaffected.
-Bee was electrocuted briefly, despite his Raiton nature. This quantity of Raiton should definitely have some detrimental effects on Sasuke, although much larger scaled Chidori's in comparison to before should be possible.

• "Naruto's Super Bijuu Dama is much stronger than the one he just used"

-False. BM Naruto's Super Bijuu Dama should've constituted for half this explosion [

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]
-This explosion, which is constituted by half of Naruto's TBB, is vastly larger than the previous one. One can clearly see this when looking at the mountains of the two, this explosion dwarfed them to a far greater extent.

• "Madara's Destruction Incarnate is much more powerful than Sasuke's"

-People claim since Rikudo Enhanced Kyuubi blocked the PS swipes, Sasuke's PS is somehow weaker than Madara's.
-Madara himself said his is comparable to Bijuu, even if we assumed he was speaking of the Kyuubi, a 100% Kyuubi doesn't begin to compare to a Rikudo Enhanced 50% Kyuubi; whose strength, durability and speed would be on a league of their own.
-Sasuke's PS has a smaller amount of chakra exerted into it, but the chakra that is outputted is much more potent due to Rikudo's chakra. I saw this image, which somewhat conveys the difference [

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]. Sasuke's attack was blocked, thus never reached its momentum's peak, yet created this far of a shockwave, Madara's shockwave reached a smaller distance despite reaching its full momentum. ---Don't forget Sasuke's full momentum allowing him to slice mountain ranges several times[

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] in a mere instant.

• "Sasuke didn't hit Naruto this chapter"

-Sasuke did hit Naruto to some extent with his incomplete Chidori, as portrayed here by the electricity [

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]. Naruto was thrown this far after being hit by Sasuke's hand [

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]. Now before people start saying "how come he was thrown far instead of pierced".. Sasuke's Chidori comes in differing variations, one more destructive while one penetrative. This is emphasised by the way in which the fingers are positioned, similar to the Third Raikage's Nukite mechanics. Here, the fingers are somewhat bent [

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][

You must be registered for see links

][

You must be registered for see links

][

You must be registered for see links

][

You must be registered for see links

]. One can clearly see in the first two scans that this creates a destructive force in contrast to the straight finger Chidori which creates penetrative power only. [

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][

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][

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].
-These definitely portray that there is quite a difference between straight finger Chidori and bent fingered Chidori, somewhat comparable to Raikage's 4 Finger Nukite (had his fingers been more opened) and his lower amounts of fingers. So technically, Naruto was hit/blasted away much more than an attempted attempt to pierce through him like he pierced through Madara with his Chidori Eiso. And for the people who still think Naruto's durability was just so good, an attempt to pierce him ended up throwing him back.. Chidori Eiso is stated in the DB to be less penetrative than regular Chidori, thus Shinju Madara's durability being far above Naruto's suggests that if Sasuke attempted to cut him when he makes contact with him, he would.

-Sasuke didn't have PS 50 chapters ago, so what are you comparing BSM to?

-The Size of the TBB matters, as it directly relates to the amount of chakra in it.
The BM explosion looks to be far larger than this one.

-Why would you take Madara's own words as facts, as far as we know he's never even fought a Tailed beast with his susanoo.
Everything else you put about the rikoudo chakra is speculation, the same for Sasuke's susanoo.

-These "differen't" chidoris are fanfic creations of yours.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

"Here, the fingers are somewhat bent [1][2][3][4][5]. One can clearly see in the first two scans that this creates a destructive force in contrast to the straight finger Chidori "

Chidori has no variation like that whatsoever as it completely goes against the reason why it was created.

 

[ShiroT]

Tldr

its clear to everyone Kishi is giving Naruto that plot induced stupidity. He can kill Sasuke anytime he wants.

Lol .

 

[Blunt]

10/10 thread.

Although I'm not exactly sure about your premise regarding Chidori.

 

[Stxluciferr]

"Here, the fingers are somewhat bent [1][2][3][4][5]. One can clearly see in the first two scans that this creates a destructive force in contrast to the straight finger Chidori "

Chidori has no variation like that whatsoever as it completely goes against the reason why it was created.

Sasuke ran a chidori through himself against Deidara. The chidori he used wrecked his body without piercing. If you go back and look his hand is open

 

[BLAZE]

i agree on many points

 

[Apêx1]

Madara's rikudo PS would shit on both of this noobs if he bothered to whip it out U_U

As a Shinju Jin? Of course. Non-Jin? Not even close.

695 - 50 = 645
chapter 645 states

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so....

Don't know what your point is, my 50 chapters wasn't being exact, it was a random number. Anyways, you get my point, so your attempt to sound confused by my point which is crystal clear is rather laughable.

-Sasuke didn't have PS 50 chapters ago, so what are you comparing BSM to?

-The Size of the TBB matters, as it directly relates to the amount of chakra in it.
The BM explosion looks to be far larger than this one.

-Why would you take Madara's own words as facts, as far as we know he's never even fought a Tailed beast with his susanoo.
Everything else you put about the rikoudo chakra is speculation, the same for Sasuke's susanoo.

-These "differen't" chidoris are fanfic creations of yours.

-I am talking about the people who claim BSM Naruto could shit on current PS Sasuke if he was given prep. Several people think he can win without prep at all, Chief'Forgotname' is one of them.

-Yes, but the fact that potency is a significant aspect of it, and the fact Naruto could've used his own chakra too amplify Kurama himself given the size difference, are all plausible reasons for this occurrence. And not at all, based on the mountains in its proximity, the one in last chapter was vastly larger.

-Yes, but he knows Kurama's power well, so comparing it to a tailed beast is in fact a plausible comparison, unless you are willing to claim someone as egocentric as Madara would undermine his own ability.
Not at all, Susano is a manifestation of chakra. Sasuke possessing Rikudo's chakra means that his Susano is a manifestation of Rikudo's chakra. How this is speculation is beyond me, it is completely hinted at by the fact he raped those CT's. Either way, by logic and feats, Sasuke's PS>>>>

-Demonstrated the truth behind it, you denying it in order to undermine Uchiha's like you always do in order to glorify your own beloved good-guys has put you in denial. #BeEnlightened

 

[WalksInShadows]

Tldr

its clear to everyone Kishi is giving Naruto that plot induced stupidity. He can kill Sasuke anytime he wants.

it's not necessarily plot induced stupidity since Naruto is intentionally holding himself back from killing Sasuke.

 

[Apêx1]

"Here, the fingers are somewhat bent [1][2][3][4][5]. One can clearly see in the first two scans that this creates a destructive force in contrast to the straight finger Chidori "

Chidori has no variation like that whatsoever as it completely goes against the reason why it was created.

Nukite was created to pierce, doesn't mean that its knuckled/punching variation doesn't pierce.

10/10 thread.

Although I'm not exactly sure about your premise regarding Chidori.

Thanks bro.

I anticipated that bringing upon confusion, Lol. I demonstrated Naruto being struck by Chidori here [

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]. People are saying Naruto's durability is so advanced that Sasuke cannot pierce him with Chidori, he can only push him back with it like last chapter. I said that it is false, Naruto's durability is far beneath Shinju Madara's, who was bisected by Chidori Eise, which has lesser penetrative capabilities when compared to Chidori. Thus, I brought out the point that Sasuke's hand wasn't straight, which is what creates the utmost piercing capabilities of Chidori, hence Naruto wasn't pierced by the variation which pierces and creates slight destruction due to not being concentrated in one point, but rather thrown far back. Hope it makes sense now.

 

[BLAZE]

it's not necessarily plot induced stupidity since Naruto is intentionally holding himself back from killing Sasuke.

Goes RSM against basic fireball tech and Only one Rinnegan tech used tilll now by Sasuke
aren't both holding back

 

[WalksInShadows]

Goes RSM against basic fireball tech and Only one Rinnegan tech used tilll now by Sasuke
aren't both holding back

you conveniently failed to mention the part where Naruto is seen holding back on the size of the TBB and the fact that he hasn't been using any of the other bijuu's abilities yet. Him simply ggoing into a cloak mode to keep himself from being harmed doesn't mean jack because he did the same thing to keep himself and others from being harmed by Madara and Obito's joint fireball atks.

I love how you cleverly disguised not mentioning Sasuke having to resort to using his PS just to inflict actual dmg on a Naruto that wasn't even trying to hurt him Lol

 

[Gagster]

As a Shinju Jin? Of course. Non-Jin? Not even close.


Don't know what your point is, my 50 chapters wasn't being exact, it was a random number. Anyways, you get my point, so your attempt to sound confused by my point which is crystal clear is rather laughable.



-I am talking about the people who claim BSM Naruto could shit on current PS Sasuke if he was given prep. Several people think he can win without prep at all, Chief'Forgotname' is one of them.

-Yes, but the fact that potency is a significant aspect of it, and the fact Naruto could've used his own chakra too amplify Kurama himself given the size difference, are all plausible reasons for this occurrence. And not at all, based on the mountains in its proximity, the one in last chapter was vastly larger.

-Yes, but he knows Kurama's power well, so comparing it to a tailed beast is in fact a plausible comparison, unless you are willing to claim someone as egocentric as Madara would undermine his own ability.
Not at all, Susano is a manifestation of chakra. Sasuke possessing Rikudo's chakra means that his Susano is a manifestation of Rikudo's chakra. How this is speculation is beyond me, it is completely hinted at by the fact he raped those CT's. Either way, by logic and feats, Sasuke's PS>>>>

-Demonstrated the truth behind it, you denying it in order to undermine Uchiha's like you always do in order to glorify your own beloved good-guys has put you in denial. #BeEnlightened

Naruto's current avatar is the same as his BSM one, infact it's outputting even less damage than that one currently. You have nothing to support that it got stronger only the fact that Naruto received half of hagaromos chakra some time ago. And I don't care about whoever that is.

He could've but it's not stated anywhere he did, it's also not shown how is this TBB any diffeerent than previous ones, especially when the blast radius for both jutsu is smaller than previous ones.

If anything Madara was overestimating himself greatly, also what feats specifically make you so convinced Sasuke's Susanoo is better than Madara's? As far as I can tell their almost identical, with Madara's having better defensive capabilities.

The manga scans you provided where bullshit, the position of Sasuke's pinky finger doesn't change the fact that Chidori is a B-rank Lightning jutsu meant for assasination. You can fantasize all you want but the jutsu doesn't change, as much as you want to be Kishi you're not.

 

[so12p]

Last point is incorrect. Suckske never actually touched him. Furthermore, shows Naruto's speed, since even using the fireball as a cover to sneak behind Naruto, naruto dodged suckske.

 

[BLAZE]

you conveniently failed to mention the part where Naruto is seen holding back on the size of the TBB and the fact that he hasn't been using any of the other bijuu's abilities yet. Him simply ggoing into a cloak mode to keep himself from being harmed doesn't mean jack because he did the same thing to keep himself and others from being harmed by Madara and Obito's joint fireball atks.

Or he wasn't able to Form big one at that moment becoz of prep time
@bold Sasuke basic fireball is equal to those giant fire techs.Yes why not

I love how you cleverly disguised not mentioning Sasuke having to resort to using his PS just to inflict actual dmg on a Naruto that wasn't even trying to hurt him Lol

Naruto going AVATAAR mode to match Sasuke while didn't give single $#!t about it against Kaguya and Maddy

Last point is incorrect. Suckske never actually touched him. Furthermore, shows Naruto's speed, since even using the fireball as a cover to sneak behind Naruto, naruto dodged suckske.

Dat Electricity over Naruto's body