Fake Patriots

[Lightbringer]

One thing I always found incredibly hilarious and hypocritical is people that love to proclaim themselves as proud Americans, patriotic, who always stand for the national anthem, and tell everyone to respect the flag, are ignorant of the country they love.

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4 U.S. Code § 8 - Respect for flag


(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.

(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.

d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.

(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.

(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.

(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

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[Fountain]

We know the real patriotic thing to do is to burn the flag.

 

[Lightbringer]

We know the real patriotic thing to do is to burn the flag.

In your case it would be waving a confederate flag.

 

[Yeah right]

I think they think their patriotic juices give power to the flag.

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[Avani]

One thing I always found incredibly hilarious and hypocritical is people that love to proclaim themselves as proud Americans, patriotic, who always stand for the national anthem, and tell everyone to respect the flag, are ignorant of the country they love.

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4 U.S. Code § 8 - Respect for flag


(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.

(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.

d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.

(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.

(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.

(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

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@Bold: That was interesting and funny. I remember reading some articles here accusing Indian law regarding how to take care of national flags too strict and it went on to cite how US allows all sorts of clothes made of it and what not...

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

It's pretty weird that the most "patriotic" party has such strong ties so many unpatriotic things. Confederate flags despite America facing off against the confederate state, intolerance of other religions(and the lack of it) and races despite these all being protected just as the second amendment is, a desire for a weaker federal government, circumvention of voting, and it just goes on. It honestly makes me wonder who started the whole show of patrioticy.

 

[Lightbringer]

It's pretty weird that the most "patriotic" party has such strong ties so many unpatriotic things. Confederate flags despite America facing off against the confederate state, intolerance of other religions(and the lack of it) and races despite these all being protected just as the second amendment is, a desire for a weaker federal government, circumvention of voting, and it just goes on. It honestly makes me wonder who started the whole show of patrioticy.

I don't know who was the first to start it, but I know Reagan was definitely a major factor in reshaping the conservative movement with the Southern Strategy. He also corpratised our political system and ran with the campaign "Make America Great" to market himself as a patriot, a slogan that Trump pretty much reused. Reagan also started the "Welfare Queen" myth in order to cut federal aid to welfare recipients, which the majority were minorities, and did massive tax cuts for the rich, which I think resonated with the libertarian crowd, which is why we see so many of them in the Republican party.

 

[minamoto]

just matter of few time befor Armc4 comes and solo this thread...

 

[Fountain]

In your case it would be waving a confederate flag.

I wave an Isis flag in your name.

No like or anything, damn. Thought that'd make you happy.

 

[chopstickchakra]

One thing I always found incredibly hilarious and hypocritical is people that love to proclaim themselves as proud Americans, patriotic, who always stand for the national anthem, and tell everyone to respect the flag, are ignorant of the country they love.

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4 U.S. Code § 8 - Respect for flag


(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.

(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.

d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.

(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.

(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.

(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

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Burning the flag as an end once it's become too distressed to look respectable while being displayed is not the equivalent to burning it in protest. Not sure why you bolded that like it's a justification or a counter point to people talking about people burning the flag.

 

[Lightbringer]

Burning the flag as an end once it's become too distressed to look respectable while being displayed is not the equivalent to burning it in protest. Not sure why you bolded that like it's a justification or a counter point to people talking about people burning the flag.

That's because I didn't say anything about burning it in protest. My point was that these people pretend to be patriotic and love wearing the flag or have things like stickers of the flag within a punisher symbol on their cars, yet it's in fact disrespecting the flag and should be burned instead.

 

[ThelUchiha]

whats that?

 

[Aim64C]

The U.S. code is referring to the U.S. Standard - "The Flag."

Simply printing an image of a flag on a piece of paper, for example, does not make it a Standard. I would not salute a picture of a flag, printed on paper, and pinned to the wall while in uniform. Thus - it is not a Standard. I would, also, not salute a shirt died to look similar to the flag, or with a flag image on it.

What makes it a Standard is when it is made as a flag and hung/flown as a symbol of U.S. officialdom. If I were in uniform and walking on base, and happen to pass a flag hung outside a base resident's house - it does not have to be saluted. The same as if they were hung along light poles in preparation for a parade.... all that other fun stuff. Once a flag has become a Standard, however, it doesn't get to become 'just a piece of cloth' from that point forward.

Which is where the U.S. code applies. The flag flying at a military base is never to be made into a piece of clothing (this was more applicable to the days when officers managed their own requisitions and often had to scavenge materials for their soldiers). It is never to touch the ground, etc.

Now - we can argue that having a pair of pants made to look like the flag is tacky and that the people are somewhat dense, but is it correct to call them fake patriots?

Define patriot.

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: one who loves and supports his or her country

To argue that someone does not love or support his/her own country because their clothing has been fashioned to look like the flag of their country is a rather silly argument. Even if the display were in violation of the U.S. Code - this does not suggest that their love and support for the country is somehow false. It simply suggests they are not aware, or perhaps that they do not care much for the flag - even if the nation it represents is one which they love.

Now, if you wanted to suggest that a fake patriot loves the flag more than the country... well, that's a more interesting proposal. But that gets dangerously close to exposing how the deception has worked in the past. It's easy to unify people around a vague idea. It's much more difficult to get people to work together to solve problems... such as what happened to the money the Pentagon announced it had lost on 9/10/2001 or how Al Qaeda has been a CIA front group since it spawned from Operation Cyclone.

That's much more difficult. That requires some thinking. That requires being able to swallow the idea that people in your nation have done some very wrong things and deceived people all the while. That's not comfortable. But someone who loves their country and supports it - would fight through such things and seek to bring about changes to see justice done. And maybe they wear a pair of underwear that looks like a flag while they do it - who knows?

For the curious, no - I'm too bland of a person to wear much more than solid colors.

 

[Chikombo]

The U.S. code is referring to the U.S. Standard - "The Flag."

Simply printing an image of a flag on a piece of paper, for example, does not make it a Standard. I would not salute a picture of a flag, printed on paper, and pinned to the wall while in uniform. Thus - it is not a Standard. I would, also, not salute a shirt died to look similar to the flag, or with a flag image on it.

What makes it a Standard is when it is made as a flag and hung/flown as a symbol of U.S. officialdom. If I were in uniform and walking on base, and happen to pass a flag hung outside a base resident's house - it does not have to be saluted. The same as if they were hung along light poles in preparation for a parade.... all that other fun stuff. Once a flag has become a Standard, however, it doesn't get to become 'just a piece of cloth' from that point forward.

Which is where the U.S. code applies. The flag flying at a military base is never to be made into a piece of clothing (this was more applicable to the days when officers managed their own requisitions and often had to scavenge materials for their soldiers). It is never to touch the ground, etc.

Now - we can argue that having a pair of pants made to look like the flag is tacky and that the people are somewhat dense, but is it correct to call them fake patriots?

Define patriot.

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: one who loves and supports his or her country

To argue that someone does not love or support his/her own country because their clothing has been fashioned to look like the flag of their country is a rather silly argument. Even if the display were in violation of the U.S. Code - this does not suggest that their love and support for the country is somehow false. It simply suggests they are not aware, or perhaps that they do not care much for the flag - even if the nation it represents is one which they love.

Now, if you wanted to suggest that a fake patriot loves the flag more than the country... well, that's a more interesting proposal. But that gets dangerously close to exposing how the deception has worked in the past. It's easy to unify people around a vague idea. It's much more difficult to get people to work together to solve problems... such as what happened to the money the Pentagon announced it had lost on 9/10/2001 or how Al Qaeda has been a CIA front group since it spawned from Operation Cyclone.

That's much more difficult. That requires some thinking. That requires being able to swallow the idea that people in your nation have done some very wrong things and deceived people all the while. That's not comfortable. But someone who loves their country and supports it - would fight through such things and seek to bring about changes to see justice done. And maybe they wear a pair of underwear that looks like a flag while they do it - who knows?

For the curious, no - I'm too bland of a person to wear much more than solid colors.

Minamoto can see the future.

 

[Aim64C]

Minamoto can see the future.

I'm sure that's the explanation.
The little wyrms have been trying to bait the dragon into a fight they think they can win by posting the 4am talking points.

What they don't understand is that this is very easy to see through, and very easy to destroy by those who are logically minded. Being a logical person, Minamoto is able to understand what the intent was, as well as that there may very well be a response. Minamoto can also see that the troll is fodder tier.

What is interesting, however, is how quickly these accounts went into action after POTUS' U.N. Speech to systematically attack not just the speech, but the virtues extolled by the President during his speech (which was an excellent speech, by the way - no teleprompter, either). These are the same accounts which were quick to mention "accidents happen" in relation to my research into global slave trades and links to popular globalist leaders.

Could be nothing. I am, after all, insane. It's a far more entertaining world to live in, being insane - so I wish not to return to the doldrums of the sane; but that does mean one can go on grand adventure in the alley out back where very real shenanigans are taking place. Or... perhaps it's a portal to the rabbit hole of criminal wonderland. Where We Go One, We Go All!

 

[Multiply]

The U.S. code is referring to the U.S. Standard - "The Flag."

Simply printing an image of a flag on a piece of paper, for example, does not make it a Standard. I would not salute a picture of a flag, printed on paper, and pinned to the wall while in uniform. Thus - it is not a Standard. I would, also, not salute a shirt died to look similar to the flag, or with a flag image on it.

What makes it a Standard is when it is made as a flag and hung/flown as a symbol of U.S. officialdom. If I were in uniform and walking on base, and happen to pass a flag hung outside a base resident's house - it does not have to be saluted. The same as if they were hung along light poles in preparation for a parade.... all that other fun stuff. Once a flag has become a Standard, however, it doesn't get to become 'just a piece of cloth' from that point forward.

Which is where the U.S. code applies. The flag flying at a military base is never to be made into a piece of clothing (this was more applicable to the days when officers managed their own requisitions and often had to scavenge materials for their soldiers). It is never to touch the ground, etc.

Now - we can argue that having a pair of pants made to look like the flag is tacky and that the people are somewhat dense, but is it correct to call them fake patriots?

Define patriot.

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: one who loves and supports his or her country

To argue that someone does not love or support his/her own country because their clothing has been fashioned to look like the flag of their country is a rather silly argument. Even if the display were in violation of the U.S. Code - this does not suggest that their love and support for the country is somehow false. It simply suggests they are not aware, or perhaps that they do not care much for the flag - even if the nation it represents is one which they love.

Now, if you wanted to suggest that a fake patriot loves the flag more than the country... well, that's a more interesting proposal. But that gets dangerously close to exposing how the deception has worked in the past. It's easy to unify people around a vague idea. It's much more difficult to get people to work together to solve problems... such as what happened to the money the Pentagon announced it had lost on 9/10/2001 or how Al Qaeda has been a CIA front group since it spawned from Operation Cyclone.

That's much more difficult. That requires some thinking. That requires being able to swallow the idea that people in your nation have done some very wrong things and deceived people all the while. That's not comfortable. But someone who loves their country and supports it - would fight through such things and seek to bring about changes to see justice done. And maybe they wear a pair of underwear that looks like a flag while they do it - who knows?

For the curious, no - I'm too bland of a person to wear much more than solid colors.

This is the truth. It's literally referencing the flag. Not images of the flag or shirts printed to look like a flag.

 

[Yeah right]

This is the truth. It's literally referencing the flag. Not images of the flag or shirts printed to look like a flag.

So I will be 100% okay if I shit on paper/clothes/whatever with the flag on it?

 

[Lightbringer]

This is the truth. It's literally referencing the flag. Not images of the flag or shirts printed to look like a flag.

It literally says this, so clearly both you and Aim64C are wrong on this:

"The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown."


and also this:


"No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. "

 

[Aim64C]

It literally says this, so clearly both you and Aim64C are wrong on this:

You need to re-read.

"The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown."

This is, again, a code referencing how the flag is to be displayed. You're not supposed to embroider the flag onto your couch cushion and then hang it from a pole as if it is the Standard. Nor should you use a handkerchief or other item to use as the Standard.

While it isn't a bad set of guidelines for how you should regard the image of the flag - IE - why are you rubbing your shit-dispenser all over the icon of your nation's sovereignty? But it's effectively limited to how the U.S. Flag may be made. The U.S. flag is not to be made out of those things and then presented as the Standard.

and also this:


"No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. "

This is, again, where we get into technicality. "Used" is very different from "fashioned." "Used" implies the Flag Standard then being used to make an article of clothing. IE - if you take a flag, cut it up, and then make clothing out of it. It is not talking about an article of clothing which has the flag, or flag-like images on it.

Consider the legal nonsense of "no part of the flag" ... so... the color red? The color white? That's part of the flag's image. Are Starburst mints now a violation of the flag code because they have red stripes on the white candy? Because many political parties have blue backgrounds and white stars ... is that "part of the flag?"

This is nonsense. When speaking of the Flag, it is speaking of the Standard by which the U.S. will announce its official presence. You, personally, can print out a pair of American Flag boxers and hang them from a pole. It's in extremely poor taste, but that is not how any official U.S. institution is to display the U.S. Flag.

 

[Lightbringer]

You need to re-read.



This is, again, a code referencing how the flag is to be displayed. You're not supposed to embroider the flag onto your couch cushion and then hang it from a pole as if it is the Standard. Nor should you use a handkerchief or other item to use as the Standard.

While it isn't a bad set of guidelines for how you should regard the image of the flag - IE - why are you rubbing your shit-dispenser all over the icon of your nation's sovereignty? But it's effectively limited to how the U.S. Flag may be made. The U.S. flag is not to be made out of those things and then presented as the Standard.



This is, again, where we get into technicality. "Used" is very different from "fashioned." "Used" implies the Flag Standard then being used to make an article of clothing. IE - if you take a flag, cut it up, and then make clothing out of it. It is not talking about an article of clothing which has the flag, or flag-like images on it.

Consider the legal nonsense of "no part of the flag" ... so... the color red? The color white? That's part of the flag's image. Are Starburst mints now a violation of the flag code because they have red stripes on the white candy? Because many political parties have blue backgrounds and white stars ... is that "part of the flag?"

This is nonsense. When speaking of the Flag, it is speaking of the Standard by which the U.S. will announce its official presence. You, personally, can print out a pair of American Flag boxers and hang them from a pole. It's in extremely poor taste, but that is not how any official U.S. institution is to display the U.S. Flag.

tl;dr

Flag code speaks for itself.