Fairly innocent question about Tsuki no Me.

[Chatte]

Ok, as we all know, Tsuki no Me project is to put everyone in a big Tsukuyomi using the moon as an intermediate tool.
Now my question is this... How it will be supposed to be unbreakable since the normal cycle is day (sun) -> night (moon).
So how is Tsuki no Me supposed to be working on daytime? You'll say that Itachi put Sasuke in Tsukuyomi and commanded him to stay like that for 72 hours. If I recall correctly.
But that was possible because the source of the illusion was still active. Meaning, Itachi was still alive. That's why he was able to put him in genjutsu because we know that if Itachi would've died in the meantime, the genjutsu would've ended.

So, as I previously asked, how Tsuki no Me is supposed to work on daytime since the source of genjutsu is disappearing?

Thanks for your further answers!

 

[Seth 42]

The moons still there during the day it's just not visable cos of how bright the sun is.

 

[shanee]

The moons still there during the day it's just not visable cos of how bright the sun is.

thats not true. its just on the other side of the planet.

and psychics dont work in anime.

 

[Chatte]

thats not true. its just on the other side of the planet.

and psychics dont work in anime.

Well, than why day/night works than? It's not like it's been night in Narutoverse every since the beginning.

The moons still there during the day it's just not visable cos of how bright the sun is.

It's not there as it does its rotation around the earth.

 

[Seth 42]

Sorry I ment most of the time it's there other wide why do you some times see the moon during the day?

 

[Chatte]

Sorry I ment most of the time it's there other wide why do you some times see the moon during the day?

Because it's rotation around the orbit of the earth. And it's altitude changes sometimes, but it's not like we can see that everyday.
There are some days where, indeed, the moon comes fairly close to the earth, but that doesn't happen that often.

 

[neilson]

lol, but i think it'll be night during the day!!!

 

[PureSkillz]

Plot hole lmao

 

[Chatte]

lol, but i think it'll be night during the day!!!

How come? :|

Plot hole lmao

Hmm, maybe's not a plothole. Maybe that's what Kishi left intentionally out...
If you look at it, Uchihas were always kinda associated with the Moon and lately Naruto's been associated with the Sun. Maybe he's the resolve to everything... I mean, today's episode inspired from the manga chapters is called "Two Suns" and him, being the third.

 

[~Sky~]

From every representation I've seen of it, the moon turns into an eye.

Everything the eye sees would be caught under Genjutsu forever.

The eye just has to see someone to catch them, and it doesn't have to keep eye contact, because it's a Genjutsu of large proportions with extremely large power behind it.

Once you're in the Genjutsu, you'll be in a dream like state with no real awareness of your surroundings, meaning the night-day cycle could be frozen, meaning the moon would always be out for everyone.

The eye would be Obito's eye in this case, because he would be magnifying it off the moon.




Edit: An alternative would be the entire world being put under the Genjutsu all at once.


That's what I think it would be at least.

 

[yellowxflash]

It's anime don't apply real life physics to it that's the reason you watch it no

 

[Chatte]

From every representation I've seen of it, the moon turns into an eye.

Everything the eye sees would be caught under Genjutsu forever.

The eye just has to see someone to catch them, and it doesn't have to keep eye contact, because it's a Genjutsu of large proportions with extremely large power behind it.

Once you're in the Genjutsu, you'll be in a dream like state with no real awareness of your surroundings, meaning the night-day cycle could be frozen, meaning the moon would always be out for everyone.

The eye would be Obito's eye in this case, because he would be magnifying it off the moon.




Edit: An alternative would be the entire world being put under the Genjutsu all at once.


That's what I think it would be at least.

Well, yeah, I got the idea. That's why I asked what will happen when the tool holding the genjutsu, to say like this, will disappear?
I agree you will be in a dream-state because the moon is there and you cannot look anywhere else because it's still there and you can't avoid it. But when the source of the genjutsu disappears, wouldn't it be like normal to get out of it?
Hmm, it's something fishy here... But as I said maybe this is intentional left like that by Kishi.

It's anime don't apply real life physics to it that's the reason you watch it no

Yet still the real life physics apply when it comes to day/night. If that applies, why wouldn't this apply?
And no, that's not the reason I watch it. I have other reasons.

 

[~Sky~]

Well, yeah, I got the idea. That's why I asked what will happen when the tool holding the genjutsu, to say like this, will disappear?
I agree you will be in a dream-state because the moon is there and you cannot look anywhere else because it's still there and you can't avoid it. But when the source of the genjutsu disappears, wouldn't it be like normal to get out of it?
Hmm, it's something fishy here... But as I said maybe this is intentional left like that by Kishi.

But wouldn't that be why it's infinite?
Meaning that the source would still be there in the Genjutsu realm, because Obito can manipulate everything inside that world. Isn't that the point of Tsukiyomei?



Who knows? xd

 

[Chatte]

But wouldn't that be why it's infinite?
Meaning that the source would still be there in the Genjutsu realm, because Obito can manipulate everything inside that world. Isn't that the point of Tsukiyomei?



Who knows? xd

Well, yeah, I agree that Obito is still there, but the tool he's transmitting the genjutsu through, the moon, is gone.

It's like you, a charger and an outlet. You put the charger in the outlet but you're missing the important part that makes them both work, electricity.

You being Obito, the charger being the genjutsu and the outlet being the population you under genjutsu; electricity being the moon

Hope you got my idea.

 

[~Sky~]

Well, yeah, I agree that Obito is still there, but the tool he's transmitting the genjutsu through, the moon, is gone.

It's like you, a charger and an outlet. You put the charger in the outlet but you're missing the important part that makes them both work, electricity.

You being Obito, the charger being the genjutsu and the outlet being the population you under genjutsu; electricity being the moon

Hope you got my idea.

I get that. I just thought that once you're caught, it would be infinite.

I'm kind of thinking it's self sustaining because it has so much chakra behind it.


I'm confused now though. We'll find out in due time my dear Chatte. :scorps:

 

[Chatte]

I get that. I just thought that once you're caught, it would be infinite.

I'm kind of thinking it's self sustaining because it has so much chakra behind it.


I'm confused now though. We'll find out in due time my dear Chatte. :scorps:

Well, even that chakra I think it ends up to a certain time... Unless we're getting back the Juubi into consideration. Or else I don't know who else has that amount of chakra to sustain it.
True, true, you are right, in the end I think everything will be explained.
Thanks for the feed-back! :hug:

 

[Bogard]

I think it doesn't matter. The moon is only usefull only to project your eyes on it to put everybody in a genjutsu. After that, the moon is not needed anymore since the eye contact is already established, so at that moment the genjutsu already started. It's as if you were asking how can a sharingan user control someone who doesn't look him in his eye. An eye contact is all what is needed, after that the sharingan user doesn't need to be near the person he controls. Just look. Obito was controlling Kyubi with the eye contact he made, and was fighting Minato on a completely difference place far from the Kyubi. So whether the moon turns to sun doesn't matter. The moon only help to actually manage to cast the genjutsu, after that it becomes irrelevant

 

[Legendary Broly]

thats not true. its just on the other side of the planet.

and psychics dont work in anime.

lol this xd
Coincidentally , I have to a science project on the orbit of the moon around the earth

 

[Chatte]

I think it doesn't matter. The moon is only usefull only to project your eyes on it to put everybody in a genjutsu. After that, the moon is not needed anymore since the eye contact is already established, so at that moment the genjutsu already started. It's as if you were asking how can a sharingan user control someone who doesn't look him in his eye. An eye contact is all what is needed, after that the sharingan user doesn't need to be near the person he controls. Just look. Obito was controlling Kyubi with the eye contact he made, and was fighting Minato on a completely difference place far from the Kyubi. So whether the moon turns to sun doesn't matter. The moon only help to actually manage to cast the genjutsu, after that it becomes irrelevant

No, the problem wasn't in looking in the eyes, it was how it would be mantained if the moon's out, as it is in day-time.

The Kyuubi thing is correct, because Obito was alive meaning, the mean which casted the genjutsu was still up there.

The problem was afterwards. But I guess this still goes by the same principle.
Only that in the same time the question arises... Who has that amount of chakra to be holding everyone in genjutsu.
That's where, probably, the Juubi comes in hand.

lol this xd
Coincidentally , I have to a science project on the orbit of the moon around the earth

Hahah, let me know about that one.