(Facts and Manga pages) The true orgins of the shairngan and byakugan

[Unbiased]

(Facts and Manga pages) The true orgins of the sharingan and byakugan

As usual, manga pages that backup my argument are in the spoilers. Anything bold is important. I may make a typo somewhere since I just woke up and my keyboard is acting funny(E, colon, and R won't type on command). Also this thread was made for "Ghost of Uchiha" so he can have a clear understanding and disprove silly theories.

Back History

Chakra is the source of all dojutsu.

The Juubi is the source of all chakra.

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Here is shows that Everything in Existence is derived from the juubi

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The Sage created his sons.

The Sage of Six paths is by admittance of Konan a combination of the Uchiha and Senju

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We know, that the Uchiha only contain uchiha dna and the Senju only contain Senju DNA. Now drift off the main point. All Hyuuga's who are born are born with strictly hyuuga traits, all uzumaki's that are born are born with uzumaki traits, all Uchiha who are born(and have been shown) are born with Uchiha traits such as Fire style for example. Therefore if you give a natural birth, between a male and a female, he will inherit the traits of both parents. Therefore his sons of natural birth would both have Uchiha and Senju DNA.

"But wait Unbiased it could of deteriorated throughout the centuries" Well you'd be right if Tobi

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didn't clearly explain that both sons possessed two Individual Traits of their "father".

Therefore based on the logic/history within the series and the manga pages presented, it is factual that the Sage did create his sons.

Main Topic

Sharingan

In order to understand the true orgins of the Shaingan and Byakugan, you must have a good understanding of part 1 and part 2. Kurama states that the Sharingan is a curse just like Tobi stated the Uchiha are cursed(so when Tobi states the Uchiha are cursed, he explains the bloodline is cursed meaning anything bloodline related like the sharingan is cursed thus backing up Kurama

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. He also states the Uchiha are forsaken (epic forshadowing lol).

Now we all know all Dojutsu is derived from the Juubi. The Juubi's eye has the appearance of the Rinnegan overlay-ed with the sharingan. Now the Elder Son has a Rinnegan like eye except it swirls

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. Now his descendants have the sharingan showcasing that that the Elder Sons eye's turned into the Sharingan. These descendants shared a curse as stated by Tobi and Kurma. Since the Younger Son did not possess any Dojutsu, the Elder Son also laid down the foundation for the Byakugan(I will explain in next segment).



Byakugan


Kakashi states that the Uchiha and Byakugan are from the same lineage

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. Now that I have confirmed that the Elder son is the progenitor of the two major Dojutsu's, I will explain the orgin of the Byakugan.

"But unbiased if that's true, then the Hyuuga would also suffer from the curse of hatred". Well its painfully obvious they don't. So since they do not, the Hyuuga overcame the curse of hatred and Since it has been stated they are from the same lineage, then it only proves my point. Now all those who suffer from the curse of hatred(or are brought about from someone who suffers from it) have the sharingan. (I say brought about because Itachi, Shisui, and Obito do not suffer from it. Obito was manipulated.) Those in the lineage who do not suffer from it have the Byakugan. Therefore when overcoming the Curse of Hatred, their "Sharingan" converted into the Byakugan and with that transformation blessed them with eyes that have superior insight to both the Rinnegan and Sharingan.

Some of you may say "Well you shot yourself in the foot since you said the Byakugan is from not suffering from the curse of hatred". Not in the slightest I also stated those In the lineage who do not suffer from the curse do not have the sharingan. Therefore those who are descendants from those who do not suffer from the curse possess the Byakugan.

So just to re-cap, I have proven the Juubi is the orgin of everything, that the sharingan is a curse, that the Elder son is the progenitor of the Sharingan and Byakugan, the Hyuuga overcame the curse of hatred, and that is what brought about the Byakugan. Thanks for reading my thread.

Although quite frankly the orgins of the byakugan is still a theory but it has a lot facts supporting it. That's why I believe it is factual.

 

[Katkot]

You worked hard on this thread , nice thread bro

 

[Unbiased]

You worked hard on this thread , nice thread bro

I never work hard, if I had too I wouldn't do it. I have an acute memory so its just a matter of finding pages. Thank you though nonetheless (I'd put a smily face but my colon button doesn't work)

 

[u wanna die]

good thread

 

[Narutofan4203]

I think the same, but my Reasoning behind byakugan is Kishi put that to the side when he thought up rinnegan

 

[gas83091]

nice work, well done mate

 

[Unbiased]

I think the same, but my Reasoning behind byakugan is Kishi put that to the side when he thought up rinnegan

Yeah the byakugan even though it can hold its own quite well is forgotten.

nice work, well done mate

Thanks dude

 

[Vandenre1ch]

I kind of figured Hyuga and Uchiha were from the Elder son. Good thread.

 

[Unbiased]

I kind of figured Hyuga and Uchiha were from the Elder son. Good thread.

A lot of people forget the first part so a lot of "facts" become "theories" do to people completely disregarding part 1.

 

[rollin]

I always thought that if the eyes with lack of yang chakra equals sharingan
that the eyes and yang chakra equals byakugan

 

[Unbiased]

I always thought that if the eyes with lack of yang chakra equals sharingan
that the eyes and yang chakra equals byakugan

Yin is spiritual energy. Yang is physical. For example the Elder Son inherited Yin because of inheriting spiritual energy while the younger inherited Yang. If both are mixed then you create a Sage of six paths so to speak.

 

[a banned cartoon]

Re: (Facts and Manga pages) The true orgins of the sharingan and byakugan

I think the reason the oldest son of the sage had eyes that swirled, is because Kishimoto was trying to make the drawing look like old style Japanese drawings that would come off of scrolls with stories such as folklore. He was trying to show the hypnotizing effect of either the sharingan, or the rinnegan while incorporating the old fashioned way of art in the Japanese scrolls. I don't believe it's an intirely new type of eye we haven't saw.

 

[rollin]

Yin is spiritual energy. Yang is physical. For example the Elder Son inherited Yin because of inheriting spiritual energy while the younger inherited Yang. If both are mixed then you create a Sage of six paths so to speak.

But what do you think will happen if the elder son inherited the eyes and yang chakra instead of yin chakra

 

[Unbiased]

But what do you think will happen if the elder son inherited the eyes and yang chakra instead of yin chakra

Well the uchiha would have the sharingan plus the chakra of the senju. While the Senju would possess Yin chakra which is genjutsu so they'd be genjutsu masters.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Very good thread and I agree with your findings.

I think that if that's the case, then the byakugan actually has the potential to transform into the Elder son's doujutsu because his doujutsu was originally untainted by the Curse of Hatred before the conflict with his younger brother, which is how it turned into the sharingan. The sharingan can still evolve, as we have already seen, into the mangekyou sharingan, which would be the darker equivalent of the Elder son's doujutsu.

The major difference would probably be that the person who would awaken the doujutsu wouldn't necessarily lose their light, or go blind, so to speak, but it would be much harder to awaken, since only the purest of heart would be able to awaken it.

So, in essence, it would be like sharingan > MS, while byakugan > Elder son's doujutsu.

It would be a great way to put the hyuugas back on the radar as one of the most powerful clans and would be a good power-up for either Hinata or Neji. I'd say that they both could probably awaken it, but only after something major in the series happens.

 

[rollin]

Well the uchiha would have the sharingan plus the chakra of the senju. While the Senju would possess Yin chakra which is genjutsu so they'd be genjutsu masters.

You think it'd be the sharingan?
I think if the elder son got the eyes and yang chakra it'd be a completely different doujutsu besides the sharingan.
And I think that's how the byakugan came from
somewhere down the line the elder sons descendants got more yang chakra then yin and it evolved their eyes to the byakugan and that's how the Hyuga came abouy
Hyuga means toward the sun and the moon eye plan which is sharingan might be yin/yang theme

 

[Unbiased]

Very good thread and I agree with your findings.

I think that if that's the case, then the byakugan actually has the potential to transform into the Elder son's doujutsu because his doujutsu was originally untainted by the Curse of Hatred before the conflict with his younger brother, which is how it turned into the sharingan. The sharingan can still evolve, as we have already seen, into the mangekyou sharingan, which would be the darker equivalent of the Elder son's doujutsu.

The major difference would probably be that the person who would awaken the doujutsu wouldn't necessarily lose their light, or go blind, so to speak, but it would be much harder to awaken, since only the purest of heart would be able to awaken it.

So, in essence, it would be like sharingan > MS, while byakugan > Elder son's doujutsu.

It would be a great way to put the hyuugas back on the radar as one of the most powerful clans and would be a good power-up for either Hinata or Neji. I'd say that they both could probably awaken it, but only after something major in the series happens.

That's very true. I agree I think it should be done.

You think it'd be the sharingan?
I think if the elder son got the eyes and yang chakra it'd be a completely different doujutsu besides the sharingan.
And I think that's how the byakugan came from
somewhere down the line the elder sons descendants got more yang chakra then yin and it evolved their eyes to the byakugan and that's how the Hyuga came abouy
Hyuga means toward the sun and the moon eye plan which is sharingan might be yin/yang theme

Its quite plausible that the hyuuga have more Yang then Yin in them unlike the Uchiha who are filled with Yin

 

[Ghost of Uchiha]

Nice work

 

[KingHashirama]

Nice thread..... But ain't gonna work. Senju and Uchiha the legit bloodlines of the Sage. Hyuuga have shown no connection.

 

[Unbiased]

Nice thread..... But ain't gonna work. Senju and Uchiha the legit bloodlines of the Sage. Hyuuga have shown no connection.

That's like saying the Uzumaki isn't a legitimate bloodline of the sage. Its already been stated in the manga the hyuuga's lineage is shared with the Uchiha's.