FACT: SAGE MODE TRAINING is not a requirement to handle senjutsu.

[Jiren]

All of you. If you knew what you are talking about, you'd realize Sasuke cannot use senjutsu. However, the curse mark's energy is considered senjutsu chakra, therefore the black chidori is technically senjutsu powered. However, without the curse mark, sasuke has no access to senjutsu chakra or senjutsu.

I sorta agree but that black chidori when fighting Madara might have been individually produced. Anyways the point is if they stumbled upon raw senjutsu energy they would know how to handle it.

 

[Prince Badman]

The proof is Sasuke and Madara. Both handled senjutsu confirmed!!!! Naruto fanboys will try to deny these simple facts but will fail.

first of all Sasuke never handled the senjutsu chakra by himself Jugo did that for him when he combined it with Susano......secondly rikudo chakra and senjutsu chakra are two different things...senjutsu chakra is natural energy Rikudo chakra is different...secondly training is required, Madara might be considered as the only exception. Jugo whose body absorbed the senjutsu chakra naturally went wild and out of control when senjutsu exceeded his limits....Sasuke's susano adapted to senjutsu but it does not mean Sasuke can actually combine senjutsu with his own chakra on his own he needs a mediator like jugo or someone else.....

 

[Jiren]

first of all Sasuke never handled the senjutsu chakra by himself Jugo did that for him when he combined it with Susano......secondly rikudo chakra and senjutsu chakra are two different things...senjutsu chakra is natural energy Rikudo chakra is different...secondly training is required, Madara might be considered as the only exception. Jugo whose body absorbed the senjutsu chakra naturally went wild and out of control when senjutsu exceeded his limits....Sasuke's susano adapted to senjutsu but it does not mean Sasuke can actually combine senjutsu with his own chakra on his own he needs a mediator like jugo or someone else.....

If Sasuke absorbs senjutsu for instance he would know what to do with it. I cant say for sure he can produce senjutsu on his own but I can say for certainty he can utilize the chakra for his own benefit.

 

[Remedy]

Then why did Bee train Naruto to used Tailed Beast power? Several segments of the Manga were Bee Training Naruto on how to use it.

Lol I was mocking the stupidity of this thread, not enforcing it.

 

[Prince Badman]

If Sasuke absorbs senjutsu for instance he would know what to do with it. I cant say for sure he can produce senjutsu on his own but I can say for certainty he can utilize the chakra for his own benefit.

okay let me go to the basics of the senjutsu chakra...basically its natural energy right? So when natural energy combines with the inner chakra of the ninja it results into the formation of senjutsu chakra......it requires a special balance to work. So lets be clear on this point that SAsuke or Madara can't produce senjutsu chakra on their own....Same applies to rikudo senjutsu......right?

Now as far as utilising senjutsu chakra goes Madara actually absorbed it into his body and mind that he already had the Hashirama DNA so as SOSP quoted he mixed the Ashura and Indra chakra which led to him awakening the rinnegan....so he got one process right and had partly the capability to utilize the other half of Sage's power. Madara was able to utilize senjutsu to its potential only after he absorbed the bijus and obtained rikudo senjutsu....Now as far as Sasuke is concerned he has no experience or the bodily requirements for the senjutsu chakra,,,,so even if he absorbed it somehow he wouldn't be able to control it. I think when jugo's chakra was injected into him he released the curse mark which was essentially a seal containing Oro's senjutsu...it shows again that Sasuke couldn't adopt to Senjutsu on his own and needed external help

 

[chopstickchakra]

DAAAAAAM Daniel seems you got shot down pretty hard on this one.

 

[Jiren]

okay let me go to the basics of the senjutsu chakra...basically its natural energy right? So when natural energy combines with the inner chakra of the ninja it results into the formation of senjutsu chakra......it requires a special balance to work. So lets be clear on this point that SAsuke or Madara can't produce senjutsu chakra on their own....Same applies to rikudo senjutsu......right?

Now as far as utilising senjutsu chakra goes Madara actually absorbed it into his body and mind that he already had the Hashirama DNA so as SOSP quoted he mixed the Ashura and Indra chakra which led to him awakening the rinnegan....so he got one process right and had partly the capability to utilize the other half of Sage's power. Madara was able to utilize senjutsu to its potential only after he absorbed the bijus and obtained rikudo senjutsu....Now as far as Sasuke is concerned he has no experience or the bodily requirements for the senjutsu chakra,,,,so even if he absorbed it somehow he wouldn't be able to control it. I think when jugo's chakra was injected into him he released the curse mark which was essentially a seal containing Oro's senjutsu...it shows again that Sasuke couldn't adopt to Senjutsu on his own and needed external help

Madara was controlling senjutsu before taking in the bijuu wtf? He owned Tobirama and owned Sasuke too.

uhmm no Oro doesn't have senjutsu at all. Oro hid himself inside the cursemark to take over his body when his chakra waas low. That was Juugos dna that means he was intaking and controlling senjutsu on his own just like Oro and Kabuto explained. Juugos dna makes him passively absorb NE that is all. It's up to the user to convert and control the senjutsu into moves/abilities.

 

[Joon]

I don't get this thread. It is confirming what we already know.

What he stated is other methods of controlling Senjutsu.

He must be butthurt or something.

 

[Troyg39]

The manga was always loose with the word "senjutsu". It was used to refer to the actual chakra, sage mode itself, and the techniques at different points in the story.

So it really ain't shit to argue about. Sage Mode training isn't required to handle senjutsu because "senjutsu" can mean several different things if we're going by the manga. If we're talking about Juugo, a guy born with the ability to convert nature energy, no training required. If we're talking about Madara or Sasuke, two guys who needed to be given the cells of people affluent with handling nature energy to access the chakra, no training required.

Hell even Naruto technically didn't "need" the training at first. He only went through with it because Ma and Pa couldn't attach to him and give him a shortcut to senjutsu like everyone else. "Senjutsu", the Rinnegan, Hashi's cells, all the same shit. Just another power-up that everybody wanted and took mad shortcuts to get.

 

[Ricardo]

It is not senjutsu lmao is sage of the six path chakra

OK, then Sasuke had Six paths chakra in part 1 confirmed !

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[Sheele]

OK, then Sasuke had Six paths chakra in part 1 confirmed !

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lol, really? you are messing 2 things up now lol.

 

[Prince Badman]

Madara was controlling senjutsu before taking in the bijuu wtf? He owned Tobirama and owned Sasuke too.

uhmm no Oro doesn't have senjutsu at all. Oro hid himself inside the cursemark to take over his body when his chakra waas low. That was Juugos dna that means he was intaking and controlling senjutsu on his own just like Oro and Kabuto explained. Juugos dna makes him passively absorb NE that is all. It's up to the user to convert and control the senjutsu into moves/abilities.

read again what i said.....then you will understand.....i think i read somewhere that Oro had the sage power, i am not sure btw....as far as intake and control is concerned here take a look at this...its jugo's curse seal which is senjutsu not anything else......

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so adapting to it is one thing the control and use of chakra is a different thing.......so i still say that Sasuke will need some help to control the senjutsu chakra...if you have some sources or info that says otherwise i would like to see it...

 

[Ricardo]

lol, really? you are messing 2 things up now lol.

Nope, i just sense some people in denial and butthurt in this thread, thats all :bdpf:

 

[Jiren]

read again what i said.....then you will understand.....i think i read somewhere that Oro had the sage power, i am not sure btw....as far as intake and control is concerned here take a look at this...its jugo's curse seal which is senjutsu not anything else......

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so adapting to it is one thing the control and use of chakra is a different thing.......so i still say that Sasuke will need some help to control the senjutsu chakra...if you have some sources or info that says otherwise i would like to see it...

Read the Kabuto fight. Kabuto got sage mode by injecting Juugos cells into him they have the power to absorb natural energy. And adapting to it is not far off from control. But if you're asking me if Sasuke can go sage mode with senjutsu no but he can add it to his susanoo or other techs.

 

[Prince Badman]

Read the Kabuto fight. Kabuto got sage mode by injecting Juugos cells into him they have the power to absorb natural energy. And adapting to it is not far off from control. But if you're asking me if Sasuke can go sage mode with senjutsu no but he can add it to his susanoo or other techs.

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here you go...now simply connect the dots

 

[Detonator99]

OK, then Sasuke had Six paths chakra in part 1 confirmed !

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Instead of going all the way up to the bottom how about you just stick at the end?

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infact if he actualy used senjutsu of the six path he should have manifested the truth seeking orbs

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Truthseeker Orbs

Listed as just a Ninjutsu (not Kekkei Mōra), used by Madara, Obito, and Naruto. It says that when an individual manifests (literally "blossoms" 開花) Six Paths Senjutsu, black orbs comprising the power of all five elements and yin-yang appear, forming a circle that floats behind them. They can manipulate each orb independently. Each orb is about the size of a fist and hides within enough power to completely obliterate a forest. With the power of Creation of All Things, put simply, the shape of the black orbs can be freely altered, and the many natures comprising them can be combined to manifest a variety of effects. It is a power that easily exceeds both Kekkei Genkai and Kekkei Tōta.

PS: I need to make a minor (okay, somewhat major) correction on the Truthseeker Orbs thing.

I accidentally translated the phrase shinra bansho as "creation of all things," but it actually means "all of creation" or "everything in the universe." It's not saying that they're using the Ninjutsu "Creation of All Things" to manipulate/control the Truthseeker Orbs, but rather that they're using "the power of the universe".

sage of six paths chakra must be as strong/stronger then senjutsu but rikudo senjutsu is on a hole other level.

 

[Zensum]

It is not senjutsu lmao is sage of the six path chakra

Sage of the 6 paths chakra*

All of you. If you knew what you are talking about, you'd realize Sasuke cannot use senjutsu. However, the curse mark's energy is considered senjutsu chakra, therefore the black chidori is technically senjutsu powered. However, without the curse mark, sasuke has no access to senjutsu chakra or senjutsu.

>manga facts read closely

cursemark ~ senjutsu thus black colored chidori in cursemark
senjutsu = sage jutsu | rikudou ( sage of six paths ) chakra = black chidori

thus Sasuke has sage chakra

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tl:dr Rikudou chakra ~ Sage chakra

 

[Nick01]

Another failed thread from the same member.

We get it. You ride Sasuke's D too much. Nothing you said are facts, but fan fiction to support your fav.

Naruto>>>>>>>>>>Preta deal with it.

 

[Jiren]

Another failed thread from the same member.

We get it. You ride Sasuke's D too much. Nothing you said are facts, but fan fiction to support your fav.

Naruto>>>>>>>>>>Preta deal with it.

Naruto fanboys are stupid as hell.

 

[Yata Mirror]

FACT: BM TRAINING is not a requirement to handle Kurama chakra

The proof is the entire SA gaining cloaks, they all handled kurama chakra comfirmed!!

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This is what I got from this thread, Madara being a juubi jin is a exception.

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