fact of the matter is taka could had killed Bee at the cloud village dont be ignorant

[YellowFlash1]

And I gave you links proving something regarding how the battle ended? Sasuke cut one tentacle which are the source of hachibi's power, burnt him, forced Karibi to use a replacement jutsu, and let's not forget how biju chakra destroys the body, putting stress on it and then heals it - same for Naruto - but yet you persist that I am wrong? Gave Bee's and Hachibi's remakrs own remarks against Sasuke when the battle 'ENDED'? Jugo had healed him, Karin could have detected him? What are you trying to prove to me?

You said that Team taka won ..... They didn't win.

You said that bee wasn't playing around when he was for allot of the battle, that's my point

 

[shelke]

Bee called them all weaklings, the only thing that happened to bee credibly after he called them weaklings was amaterasu. Which most likely means when he called sasuke the strongest person he'd ever fought he was only refering to amaterasu being a powerful attack, not to sasuke's actual skill. Its like when vegeta fought perfect cell, vegeta sad to say was getting ****ed up and had no chance, but when cell let him hit em with the final flash if instead of it hitting his left side it would have hit his upper half and took his head vegeta would have won. Sasuke was out classed but just had a really strong attack. And killer bee's genjutsu weakness? Oh yea cause the genjutsu really worked out for sasuke lmao.

So now, what you think goes? Bee said Sasuke was strong NOT his skill. I'll take the manga words over yours. Clearly, only your interpretations. And that genjutsu reference was for the whole 'surprise attack' scenario. If he attacked Sasuke would know how long the technique would last.

You said that Team taka won ..... They didn't win.

You said that bee wasn't playing around when he was for allot of the battle, that's my point

When he brought out Hachibi? No he wasn't. There isn't anything in the manga that points out that he was playing with them at that point. Heck, if that's the case, then even Sasuke and Taka were holding back because they wanted to capture him.

 

[TokioThunderGod]

This is HILARIOUS, i allready saw someone on the first page showing you a picture of the MANGA with Suigetsu stating " with the intent to kill". This isnt about what COULDHAVE happened, it is about what DID happen and it looks like to me that Taka got beat up! lmao. Yall forget tha the story was written that exact way there for the words "could of" or "should of" dont exist ! Bee>Taka

 

[YellowFlash1]

So now, what you think goes? Bee said Sasuke was strong NOT his skill. I'll take the manga words over yours. Clearly, only your interpretations. And that genjutsu reference was for the whole 'surprise attack' scenario. If he attacked Sasuke would know how long the technique would last.


When he brought out Hachibi? No he wasn't. There isn't anything in the manga that points out that he was playing with them at that point. Heck, if that's the case, then even Sasuke and Taka were holding back because they wanted to capture him.

I never said he was playing at that point ... What im saying is that he was playing for most of the fight in that time he could of killed them ... He went 8 tails and took the fight serious but that doesn't mean to say that sasuke won.

If he was serious the whole fight then it would have been a different story.

 

[6pathofpain]

So now, what you think goes? Bee said Sasuke was strong NOT his skill. I'll take the manga words over yours. Clearly, only your interpretations. And that genjutsu reference was for the whole 'surprise attack' scenario. If he attacked Sasuke would know how long the technique would last.




When he brought out Hachibi? No he wasn't. There isn't anything in the manga that points out that he was playing with them at that point. Heck, if that's the case, then even Sasuke and Taka were holding back because they wanted to capture him.

How does genjutsu counter a surprise attack? im not sure what your getting at on that one. And the way he was talking and attackin endicates he was playing around. Didnt he say"play time is over, time to go home and get some whickey"? or something like that? He was about to leave until karin found him.

P.S. you never responded to this comment...

Then why didnt karin know that wasnt really bee an that he was infact under them? It may take alot of chakra but Bee still had easily enough chakra to kill sasuke from surprise which wouldnt take alot or any chakra at all seeing how he would have killed sasuke with just the swords once, karin is nothing in a fight and jugo was drain so he was next to nothing. Your goin off opinion just like everyone else and honestly opinoin is all either us can go off of since well never know for sure. But it is a fact that killer bee was playing with them until he went 8 and from the manga pages posted it is a fact that Taka got serious way before Bee did. So saying Taka would have won if they were trying to kill him the whole time is like saying killer bee would have killed them if he was serious. But killer bee is waaaaay stronger then Taka easy and even the 8 tails stated that summoning him was completely unnecessary so if you wanna go by facts of a conversation there you go. Killer Bee>Taka get over it.

 

[YellowFlash1]

How does genjutsu counter a surprise attack? im not sure what your getting at on that one. And the way he was talking and attackin endicates he was playing around. Didnt he say"play time is over, time to go home and get some whickey"? or something like that? He was about to leave until karin found him.

P.S. you never responded to this comment...

Then why didnt karin know that wasnt really bee an that he was infact under them? It may take alot of chakra but Bee still had easily enough chakra to kill sasuke from surprise which wouldnt take alot or any chakra at all seeing how he would have killed sasuke with just the swords once, karin is nothing in a fight and jugo was drain so he was next to nothing. Your goin off opinion just like everyone else and honestly opinoin is all either us can go off of since well never know for sure. But it is a fact that killer bee was playing with them until he went 8 and from the manga pages posted it is a fact that Taka got serious way before Bee did. So saying Taka would have won if they were trying to kill him the whole time is like saying killer bee would have killed them if he was serious. But killer bee is waaaaay stronger then Taka easy and even the 8 tails stated that summoning him was completely unnecessary so if you wanna go by facts of a conversation there you go. Killer Bee>Taka get over it.

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[shelke]

How does genjutsu counter a surprise attack? im not sure what your getting at on that one. And the way he was talking and attackin endicates he was playing around. Didnt he say"play time is over, time to go home and get some whickey"? or something like that? He was about to leave until karin found him.

P.S. you never responded to this comment...

Then why didnt karin know that wasnt really bee an that he was infact under them? It may take alot of chakra but Bee still had easily enough chakra to kill sasuke from surprise which wouldnt take alot or any chakra at all seeing how he would have killed sasuke with just the swords once, karin is nothing in a fight and jugo was drain so he was next to nothing. Your goin off opinion just like everyone else and honestly opinoin is all either us can go off of since well never know for sure. But it is a fact that killer bee was playing with them until he went 8 and from the manga pages posted it is a fact that Taka got serious way before Bee did. So saying Taka would have won if they were trying to kill him the whole time is like saying killer bee would have killed them if he was serious. But killer bee is waaaaay stronger then Taka easy and even the 8 tails stated that summoning him was completely unnecessary so if you wanna go by facts of a conversation there you go. Killer Bee>Taka get over it.

Karin is a chakra detector, why didn't she detect it then? I don't know. You should ask Kishi. It is obvious the author didn't intend it to go this way, hence he never touched that part. The point is how the battle ended, not how it was going on in the middle or the beginning. Going by your logic, Neji won his fight against Naruto, since he was kicking his ass in the beginning, Kakuzu won, he was kicking everyone's ass, Kiba won, Sound ninja won against Sasuke...should I go on? It's how the fight ends that matters, and Amatersu steered the course of the battle. Hachibi was burning, Bee would have died, no one would have saved him. Team Taka themselves were brilliant. Sasuke was over-confident in the start, think he could take on an 8 tailed beast. He learnt his lesson, improvised and fought back.

If Bee would have appeared again, Sasuke would have taken him on with Amatersu, as he awakened it when Hachibi appeared. He could use genjutsu to knock Bee off for a few moments and attack him. Bee was exhausted. He used up ALL of his own chakra to go into a full transformation. While Jugo completely replenished Sasuke's chakra. It would take time for Bee to replenish his, and he WON'T be able to transform again for some time BECAUSE he reverted back to his human form to escape Sasuke. Which part of all the points in so foreign? Sorry, but get over it comment, you should apply it to yourself.

I never said he was playing at that point ... What im saying is that he was playing for most of the fight in that time he could of killed them ... He went 8 tails and took the fight serious but that doesn't mean to say that sasuke won.

If he was serious the whole fight then it would have been a different story.

That is a what if then. If Sasuke used Amatersu earlier, the fight would've ended there and then. But I am not using this logic. Sasuke didn't use it, so this could have should have doesn't mean anything. He almost got killed twice, that is logic, Bee almost got killed once because of Amatersu, that is what the manga portrayed.

 

[BEASTLY NARUTO]

Yo stop making up excuses for suske I mean let's assume he was sick or somethiing but he knew and still went to play big boss and dude that suske of yours hasn't even don any remarkable thing to be proud of even with oroshimaru that you thought suske killed if not for itach he would have probably be dead.suske was talking about retrieving the 9 tail by him self lmao

 

[YellowFlash1]

Karin is a chakra detector, why didn't she detect it then? I don't know. You should ask Kishi. It is obvious the author didn't intend it to go this way, hence he never touched that part. The point is how the battle ended, not how it was going on in the middle or the beginning. Going by your logic, Neji won his fight against Naruto, since he was kicking his ass in the beginning, Kakuzu won, he was kicking everyone's ass, Kiba won, Sound ninja won against Sasuke...should I go on? It's how the fight ends that matters, and Amatersu steered the course of the battle. Hachibi was burning, Bee would have died, no one would have saved him. Team Taka themselves were brilliant. Sasuke was over-confident in the start, think he could take on an 8 tailed beast. He learnt his lesson, improvised and fought back.

If Bee would have appeared again, Sasuke would have taken him on with Amatersu, as he awakened it when Hachibi appeared. He could use genjutsu to knock Bee off for a few moments and attack him. Bee was exhausted. He used up ALL of his own chakra to go into a full transformation. While Jugo completely replenished Sasuke's chakra. It would take time for Bee to replenish his, and he WON'T be able to transform again for some time BECAUSE he reverted back to his human form to escape Sasuke. Which part of all the points in so foreign? Sorry, but get over it comment, you should apply it to yourself.




That is a what if then. If Sasuke used Amatersu earlier, the fight would've ended there and then. But I am not using this logic. Sasuke didn't use it, so this could have should have doesn't mean anything. He almost got killed twice, that is logic, Bee almost got killed once because of Amatersu, that is what the manga portrayed.

Correct ... Bee "ALMOST" got killed, but he never!

Hence what i was trying to say in the first place was that sasuke didn't win anything Or (Team Taka) For that matter.

Sasuke Used tsukuyomi, amatersau & 3 other people and bee still walked away from that fight ....

 

[shelke]

Correct ... Bee "ALMOST" got killed, but he never!

Hence what i was trying to say in the first place was that sasuke didn't win anything Or (Team Taka) For that matter.

he fled the battle because of the points I keep mentioning. Taka won the battle, but they lost the mission. No one is disagreeing with you here.

 

[Uchiha Riyo]

I agree but Killer Bee > MS sasuke I am just saying that because of a debate I had a while ago

Sasuke was almost killed about twice, if taka wasn't there he would be dead.

No shit. It's called teamwork. Taka doesn't just consist of Sasuke. He gets help, just like how Naruto gets help.

OT: Yeah, I agree.

 

[shelke]

Bee walked away, but not without tiring himself. Point is, I have noticed how Sasuke's feats are always undermined here. Give the credit where it is due.

 

[YellowFlash1]

Bee walked away, but not without tiring himself. Point is, I have noticed how Sasuke's feats are always undermined here. Give the credit where it is due.

I'm not underrating him .. I know what his abilities are and i know that there isn't many people out there that can handle him but there are people who can ..

My whole point was sasuke never won that fight ... Team taka put up a good fight but in the end they just weren't good enough.

 

[BearzYo]

He escaped because everyone would think he was dead so no one would find him . . . Not because he needed to escape.

He fooled around with taka.

1 on 1 it's clear none of them would have a chance . . .

I don't really see how it can be argued to be honest.

Someone above said "he couldnt kill a single member of taka". Their were 4 of them, 1 of him and he allowed them to heal each other.

If he wasn't fart arsing around, letting them take breaks and heal eachother, they'd be dead.

and it seems his final attack wasn't intent to kill (Karin if I remember right), but to produce an opening to escape as a tail . . .



Oh and the outcome itself?

Bees aim: escape and be free!

Sasuke aim: Capture the 8 tails.

Who achieved their goal?

 

[shelke]

I'm not underrating him .. I know what his abilities are and i know that there isn't many people out there that can handle him but there are people who can ..

My whole point was sasuke never won that fight ... Team taka put up a good fight but in the end they just weren't good enough.

In the beginning Bee was clearly on top. But at the end? He fled as he was low on Chakra, and knew he couldn't find a way around Amatersu. Fleeing is forfeiting. Taka won the fight fair and Square. But they lost their their mission. That's all I am trying to say.

 

[YellowFlash1]

In the beginning Bee was clearly on top. But at the end? He fled as he was low on Chakra, and knew he couldn't find a way around Amatersu. Fleeing is forfeiting. Taka won the fight fair and Square. But they lost their their mission. That's all I am trying to say.

They never won the fight fair and square .... For starters it was 4v1!

You're making it out like Bee ran away from them ... He never wanted to fight from the start!

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You can see they actually tried to run away but bee never let them ... So yeah he wanted to try finish them and sasuke used amertarasu on him but that doesn't mean that bee ran, He hide while sasuke walked away thinking they has complete the mission.

Sasuke wasn't exactly in tip top shape himself you know ...

Point is man ... Team taka never won anything. I'll stick by that statement i don't really disagree with the rest you said since it's just observation

 

[TrollingSage]

In the beginning Bee was clearly on top. But at the end? He fled as he was low on Chakra, and knew he couldn't find a way around Amatersu. Fleeing is forfeiting. Taka won the fight fair and Square. But they lost their their mission. That's all I am trying to say.

Taka out to capture 8 tails who is training very hard and have no idea he is being ambushed! At the end of the fight, all members of taka are posteriorilly facked whiles bee goes on vaca(calling them weakilings who are a pain in the butt, and freestyling in the mid fight)
Taka wanted to capture but bee didnt even want to fight. If he did, they would be dead b4 they heal sasuke.
Fleeing is forfeiting?

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Do u see bee sweating on tobi? He aint freestyling and he sure as hell not plannig a vaca

 

[Champ]

Yea if Sasuke went there to kill him he would've used Amaterasu from the start

 

[shelke]

^ Bee not wanting to fight doesn't mean anything in the argument. I believe countless other ninjas didn't want to fight either, but they had to. Bee didn't have any plan at the time Amatersu hit him full force. Escape wash his only way out. Once he escaped from the flames after Sasuke turned them off, he realized that he could use it to his advantage to get away from village. Akatsuki would think they caught him, and the village would think he got kidnapped.

He came up with his plan on a whim, exhausted his chakra reserves. He knew he would get killed or captured if he went back, so fleeing was the most feasible way out for him, as he himself said that he worked the plan 'on the fly or on a whim, or in the spur of the moment'. Escaping the village was not his plan, it became one at that moment. He didn't have ANY PLAN to escape the village until amatersu bested him, so you are not seeing the whole picture here. As far as the battle goes, then forget Sasuke, he couldn't even best Suigetsu with his Hachibi blast. He was getting outmatched when he brought the Hachibi out.

Also, Hacibi is constantly guiding him during fight - calls him stupid too - , he uses its chakra, so technically it was 3 against 2 since Karin is not a fighter.

 

[YellowFlash1]

Yea if Sasuke went there to kill him he would've used Amaterasu from the start

Bee could have went V2 and killed sasuke ... The same thing can be reversed not to mention sasuke even said "I want to try something" He wasn't that familiar with Amerterasu.

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You can see the impact on his eye after using it ... To do that at the start of the fight is stupid and more than likely wouldn't work!

Tbh it's completely Hypothetical we can only go by what we see in the manga and in the "end" Bee lived and sasuke walked away thinking they captured bee.