Explosions in Manchester at Ariana Grance concert

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A number of people have been killed after a 'serious incident' at Manchester Arena.

Witnesses reported hearing several 'explosions' moments after a concert by Ariana Grande finished.

The 'loud bangs' sparked mass panic, with concert-goers screaming as they ran for the exits.


Allegedly it happened right after her last song, meaning it could also be a big speaker-explosion or a planned bombing, nothings been confirmed yet.

Guntah and Bad Touch Yakushi, I know youre from the UK and I hope you dont live in Manchester near the arena
 
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It seems it's a confirmed suicide attack this is why I don't like going in public places period a hotbed of crazy. But what I'm most confused is how he was able to get his explosive gear into the stadium. It was probably not obviously looking like a bomb but I would assume it would look suspect in some way.
 

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Multiculturalism am I rite? That cultural enrichment is going on strong!
[FONT=&quot]"The Greater Manchester Muslim Community is saddened and horrified by reports of yet another terror attack, this time in our very city - at the Manchester Arena yesterday.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families and our emergency services that are at the forefront of dealing with this tragic incident. This is and will always be a mindless and unjustifiable act, targeting the innocent and young in this indiscriminate manner.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The perpetrators, whoever they may be, must bear the full consequences of their actions."

It's not down to the religion, it's a select minority of individuals hiding behind it.
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[FONT="][I]"The Greater Manchester Muslim Community is saddened and horrified by reports of yet another terror attack, this time in our very city - at the Manchester Arena yesterday.[/I][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#626262][FONT="]Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families and our emergency services that are at the forefront of dealing with this tragic incident. This is and will always be a mindless and unjustifiable act, targeting the innocent and young in this indiscriminate manner.[/FONT]

[FONT="]The perpetrators, whoever they may be, must bear the full consequences of their actions."

It's not down to the religion, it's a select minority of individuals hiding behind it.
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Dont mind them, its the internet in 2017:
1 Insult Islam
2 Change profile pic to UK Flag
3 Care for a week
4 When some1 IRL asks about opinion say "Terrorism has no religion" to look good in front of others
5 Turn on your pc and continue insulting Islam
6 Forget everything after a week
7 Repeat
 
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[FONT="][I]"The Greater Manchester Muslim Community is saddened and horrified by reports of yet another terror attack, this time in our very city - at the Manchester Arena yesterday.[/I][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#626262][FONT="]Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families and our emergency services that are at the forefront of dealing with this tragic incident. This is and will always be a mindless and unjustifiable act, targeting the innocent and young in this indiscriminate manner.[/FONT]

[FONT="]The perpetrators, whoever they may be, must bear the full consequences of their actions."

It's not down to the religion, it's a select minority of individuals hiding behind it.
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And? Does that bring them back? I can go put that facebook filter start a retarded hashtag on twitter and even go light a building with the colors of the UK flag and forget it one week later and wait for the next terrorist attack so i can repeat it again and act like a saint in social media but is it helping though, the current state of the UK is embarrasing no matter how u put it people are dieing while ur acting all PC here, fvk this multiculturalism retarded bullshit, its proper cancer the whole country is commiting suicide slowly.
 
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This thing is pissing me off. Bombing everywhere in Europe. Belgium, France, England, wherever. It's random and simple. Whoever behind these attacks, they wanna prove their point. Fine. I wish for them to be nuked. This is the only solution I see now, hit them really really really hard. As hardest as possible. ISIS or whatever.

This is a must watch video.

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And? Does that bring them back? I can go put that facebook filter start a retarded hashtag on twitter and even go light a building with the colors of the UK flag and forget it one week later and wait for the next terrorist attack so i can repeat it again and act like a saint in social media but is it helping though, the current state of the UK is embarrasing no matter how u put it people are dieing while ur acting all PC here, fvk this multiculturalism retarded bullshit, its proper cancer the whole country is commiting suicide slowly.
Does blaming multiculturalism bring them back? Would that blaming change anything for that matter other than fueling the fire even more?

Essentially you're just trying to find something to put the blame on, which is as much effective as using a FB Filter.
 
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Does blaming multiculturalism bring them back? Would that blaming change anything for that matter other than fueling the fire even more?

Essentially you're just trying to find something to put the blame on, which is as much effective as using a FB Filter.
None will change it or bring the kids back but at least there is a chance to stop it so it doesnt escalate further, apologizing everything that is happening on Europe under the banner of "terrorism has no religion or race so lets continue with our retarded migration policy" and acting PC about everything is just going to fvk up the situation even more, at least try to win control over ur borders ffs acting nonchalant about this whole thing seems pretty stupid to me.
 

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None will change it or bring the kids back but at least there is a chance to stop it so it doesnt escalate further, apologizing everything that is happening on Europe under the banner of "terrorism has no religion or race so lets continue with our retarded migration policy" and acting PC about everything is just going to fvk up the situation even more, at least try to win control over ur borders ffs acting nonchalant about this whole thing seems pretty stupid to me.
But what solution coming blaming a certain people

Okay you close the doors to immigrants what's the cause of there needing to be immigration?

How about the terrorists we support we funds and training, the everyday person isn't responsible for terrorism but how about the people up at top.

You don't think there giddy for these type of things for political gains?
 

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And? Does that bring them back? I can go put that facebook filter start a retarded hashtag on twitter and even go light a building with the colors of the UK flag and forget it one week later and wait for the next terrorist attack so i can repeat it again and act like a saint in social media but is it helping though, the current state of the UK is embarrasing no matter how u put it people are dieing while ur acting all PC here, fvk this multiculturalism retarded bullshit, its proper cancer the whole country is commiting suicide slowly.
..he said as he finished his kebab

A world without multiculturalism in 2017 is not possible, and who are you to talk about stopping multiculturalism when you east europeans are scattered throughout the west seeking a better life.
 
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Does blaming multiculturalism bring them back? Would that blaming change anything for that matter other than fueling the fire even more?

Essentially you're just trying to find something to put the blame on, which is as much effective as using a FB Filter.
Blaming multiculturalism is acknowledging the issue the mainstream public tries so hard to ignore, bringing us one step closer to solving the issue. Because to solve any issue, you must first acknowledge it. You have people openly denying this has anything to do with Islam and respond to acts of with complacency, some even take it a step further by apologizing to Muslims who may have been potentially offended by "racially fueled remarks".

But what solution coming blaming a certain people

Okay you close the doors to immigrants what's the cause of there needing to be immigration?

How about the terrorists we support we funds and training, the everyday person isn't responsible for terrorism but how about the people up at top.

You don't think there giddy for these type of things for political gains?
No solution comes from blaming people, but applying blame is the first step of coming to a solution. If you never diagnose a disease, you will never find a cure. And I'm honestly sick and tired of you acting like actually holding people accountable for their actions is the scheme of a mass political agenda. What ****ing agenda is there to be had? I don't have a ****ing agenda, I'm exhausted of having countless people killed because our governments value false virtue over the innocent lives of the public. If I have an agenda, it's preventing terrorist acts like this. So stop trying to subvert the issue by throwing forks in the road with your "what-about-ism". This is not the mindset of someone who wants to attack the issue, this is the mindset of someone who wants to defend it.
 

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Blaming multiculturalism is acknowledging the issue the mainstream public tries so hard to ignore, bringing us one step closer to solving the issue. Because to solve any issue, you must first acknowledge it. You have people openly denying this has anything to do with Islam and respond to acts of with complacency, some even take it a step further by apologizing to Muslims who may have been potentially offended by "racially fueled remarks".



No solution comes from blaming people, but applying blame is the first step of coming to a solution. If you never diagnose a disease, you will never find a cure. And I'm honestly sick and tired of you acting like actually holding people accountable for their actions is the scheme of a mass political agenda. What ****ing agenda is there to be had? I don't have a ****ing agenda, I'm exhausted of having countless people killed because our governments value false virtue over the innocent lives of the public. If I have an agenda, it's preventing terrorist acts like this. So stop trying to subvert the issue by throwing forks in the road with your "what-about-ism". This is not the mindset of someone who wants to attack the issue, this is the mindset of someone who wants to defend it.
No its about taking accountability so are the points I brought up false and just saying that Muslims simply just want to kill us and the issue isn't any deeper than that?

The best analogy I could give is the bill Cosby case there are some who want to assume him guilty and some who want to assume him innocent those people have no true interest on what's true or right but care about having a personal reaction to situation.

If you really cared for solutions you would care to understand holistically what's going on, what's even the reason why immigrants have to come to these countries?

In the end of the day we will never have solutions when people only care to look from there perspective and want to be reactionary. And some reactionary things I can understand when fueled by emotions but there those who like to use these moments to fuel and perpetuate their bias on the micro level.

And act like positions on the macro level using this for political currency is conspiracy. Simple question was Iraq a justified war...so what are you arguing? Mentalities like this are why the parties are allowed to be corrupt due to willful ignorance.

Again like the bill Cosby analogy I'm not on either side but I want actual solutions. But we won't come to a solution when no one cares to do the right thing.

Also I've debated you on issues like this multiple times but you decide to ignore these facts constantly I've come to the conclusion you just want us to shut up and join your Lynch mob.
 
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Why do you insist on mischaracterizing my position? Never had I ever expressed on this website or in my life, the belief that "Muslims simply just want to kill us" or anything akin to that. You're making me out to be some hardcore, Muslim-hating-nutjob who's being impulsive and reactionary to a terrorist attack. I am not with the hate bandwagon of banning or targeting Muslims, and I'm not of the belief of purging all the refugees out Europe. I want hold the ideology of Islam accountable, I want society at large to acknowledge the problem with multiculturalism, in doing so, giving rise to the platform of Muslim reformist to pave the way for Islam in the west, and recognize that current Islamic culture is not compatible with western culture. But according to you, I want you to shut up and join my "lynch mob".

I'm on the side that wants to solve the issues that are caused by Islam, and you're on a side and that is the side that wants to create excuses for Islam, even though you try to appear neutral on the issue with no opinion. You're on the side that, when over 100,000 British Muslims believe that slaughter teenagers at an Ariana Grande concert is justified, says that is attributable to the War in the middle east. You're on the side that, when a majority of Muslims in the UK admit they wouldn't report to fellow Muslims who become radicalized and join ISIS, say in response, #NotAllMuslims. I'm waiting to hear what excuse you give to the civil unrest between civilians and refugees, or the economic collapse of European countries, or the rampant growth of refugee rape gangs across Europe; BUT WAIT

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Going beyond the issue of terrorism in Europe, yes, I've acknowledge the fact that the U.S. armed "rebel" groups in Syria that defected to ISIS and other terrorist organizations, and I've acknowledged that "counter-terrorism" was used as a means to wage proxy wars across the middle east, both on this forum; ask your friend Lightbringer about our discussion on how Obama helped fund ISIS. U.S. foreign policy is horrible and should be held accountable for having a hand in global terrorism, but we can't act like the U.S. is the core drive behind global jihad and Muslim violence. You act like the U.S. put ISIS and such other groups on the map when the vast majority of funding for Islamist terrorist groups comes from countries like Saudi Arabia. There are far more acts of barbarism committed in the name of Islam that, in context, have no connection to our meddling or exploitation of the middle east, and outside of terrorist groups, you have a culture of people who support and share the same beliefs as terrorist. I am of the belief that you cannot bring about peace and reform to the Islamic world by ousting it's secular governments and destabilizing in the middle east, and at the same time, you cannot bring about peace and reform without condemning Sharia law and criticizing Islamic culture, but that's not my problem with your points.

My problem is they're irrelevant to solving the issue of radicals infiltrating 1st world European countries and the culture war between the natives and the refugees. How can you blame the U.S. for the destabilization of Europe when it was the E.U. that permitted millions of unfiltered, unvetted refugees inside their boarders? Islamic terrorism was primarily an issue of the middle east, how did it become an issue of Manchester, London, or Paris? Now that it's in Europe it becomes an entirely different issue, and though they share a similar root problem, the solution to the issue of Islamic terrorism in Europe will not be the same solution that's employed to deal with Islamic terrorism in the middle east. Your "but what about the war?" point is a non-sequitur that only subverts dialogue and adds nothing to the conversation.

You cannot claim you want a solution and not offer any solutions. You "wanting" things to change isn't going to change anything, fence sitters with no opinions are no better than the people who make PrayForManchester hashtags.

Than what else are you saying than if not blame Muslims and Islam?

As for the issue of multiculturalism let's put white nationalist undertones of people that say this to the side, when people people say there's a problem with multiculturalism they are saying different people shouldn't mix and saying every other people besides us is harmful. In this specific case we are referring to immigration even tho those who spout issue with multiculturalism don't discriminate if your born there or not if your not them they don't want you. And these people selectively have an issue with multiculturalism of let me pick and choose what I like and conforms or manipulate to my culture anything else get out. But they than either support or silent on having other countries conform. And a word by these same people used constantly is they must assimilate and again what that means is do what I like and am comfortable with. So the underlying message of antimulticulturalism is to adopt your beliefs and lifestyles no matter where in the world you are so in reality they want subservients.

Even tho we've already discussed the issue of crime and immigration in a previous thread let's for the sake of arguement just say immigrants bring an inherent harm to society. I'm not going care if your anti immigrant if your also actively anti intervention. And again I'm going to ask why is there the immigration of the first place let's talk Syria there's info that US supported agents created that instability and we're do you think isis came from the vacuum from Iraq that we created and yes Saudia Arabia supports these fighters ...an Allie of us it's no secret these groups and past terror groups have gotten funds and training from us.

Can I understand and sympathize the issues proposed by those who are antimulticulturalist I'll answer it with this analogy, even tho I can understand on a base level the appeal of Donald Trump which there is some merit to be found but he's not the answer even tho he's addressing base issues a segment feels and what he and people like the alt right represent is a push back to these things.


So fiji how are you not doing what I said you are blaming Islam and muslims as the root cause and you faintly acknowledge interventions existing but shrug it off saying it's really not doing anything.


You asked for my solution well it will come down to two things either both sides legitimately strive for real resolution and work together or one side takes the initiative to do the right thing. And you may ask why should we make the initiative, the biggest reason for recruiting is our actions so what we do on this foreign countries have effects and if you believe it happen irregardless well our actions give those groups more power. And people at the top find this advantageous and people with your mentality are indifferent and tbh I don't mean you specifically but in general I think the number 1 reason for mentality like yours is tribalistic of wanting to be apart of a group and accepted.
 

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None will change it or bring the kids back but at least there is a chance to stop it so it doesnt escalate further, apologizing everything that is happening on Europe under the banner of "terrorism has no religion or race so lets continue with our retarded migration policy" and acting PC about everything is just going to fvk up the situation even more, at least try to win control over ur borders ffs acting nonchalant about this whole thing seems pretty stupid to me.
By trying to revert multiculturalism, which is impossible, you are practically begging to make things escalate as then you are confirming what ISIS has been proclaiming all along, which in return will make the situation worsen.

Terrorism indeed has no race or religion or you need to find an explanation as to how it was possible that terrorism has been a part of European life for the last century or so in one form or another, whether it be the anarchists, leftwing extremists or radical muslims.

And just finding something to use as a metaphorical bunching bag to vent your anger out on is not going to change much to the situation either. If you want tighter borders I suggest you move to North Korea. If not then welcome to the 21st century. What you are currently doing is just parroting people like Nigel Farage who produced this nonsense merely because they don't like something, but don't really think through the things they say or the consequences that might be caused by it.

Blaming multiculturalism is acknowledging the issue the mainstream public tries so hard to ignore, bringing us one step closer to solving the issue. Because to solve any issue, you must first acknowledge it. You have people openly denying this has anything to do with Islam and respond to acts of with complacency, some even take it a step further by apologizing to Muslims who may have been potentially offended by "racially fueled remarks".



No solution comes from blaming people, but applying blame is the first step of coming to a solution. If you never diagnose a disease, you will never find a cure. And I'm honestly sick and tired of you acting like actually holding people accountable for their actions is the scheme of a mass political agenda. What ****ing agenda is there to be had? I don't have a ****ing agenda, I'm exhausted of having countless people killed because our governments value false virtue over the innocent lives of the public. If I have an agenda, it's preventing terrorist acts like this. So stop trying to subvert the issue by throwing forks in the road with your "what-about-ism". This is not the mindset of someone who wants to attack the issue, this is the mindset of someone who wants to defend it.
You are not acknowledging the issue, what you are doing is finding a punching bag, a scapegoat or whatever you want to call it. Something or someone you can blame for the misfortune that has befallen us. It's a tendency that humans have had throughout their history as it's just much easier to have something specific, whether it be a person, idea or concept, that can be used as a reference point and piss on it rather than accepting the reality that the situation is too complex. People don't want to feel powerless, so they create a "villain" which gives them the false sense of security they can fight it.

Your villain is "multiculturalism", however that is not the issue. The issue is how many people can't deal with it and even that is only a small part of the whole problem and that people don't want to acknowledge that and rather stick to an imaginary villain is another part of that same problem.

And this can be proven quite easily as tell me what is multiculturalism? It's easy to read theoretical definitions, but when you apply it to society it becomes almost impossible to apprehend as where do you draw the lines? Religion? Language? Ethnicity? Nationality? Some of the most prosperous empires in history were so successful because of their multicultural nature. America by its very core became a superpower because of that same multicultural background. When you subjectively are going to draw lines to what you think is acceptable, you are not acknowledging the issue, you are creating it.

Yes Islam is involved here, but it's not the only thing that's involved here and generalizing it is not going to be any help. To go along with your disease analogy, if you diagnose wrong the consequences could be catastrophic. It's also troublesome that you think that the first step is "blaming" as that that's the least important and the most irrelevant aspect of the entire thing and by doing so you just confirmed again what I said: people rather point fingers, which doesn't solve anything, rather than facing the reality of the situation.
 

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I do not care if you think I'm a bigot or racist even though that makes absolutely no sense but hear me when I say Islam is a death cult. I seen a muslim news website and it said "by the grace of allah one of our soldiers sacrificed himself today to kill 20 crusaders. Crusaders meaning little girls aged 8-16. **** Islam I'm sick to death of it and if you think I'm racist go join the ****ers and wait for your death cause people ARE waking up.
So basically if lets say christians did the same in the name of Jesus, would it be acceptable to say all Christians are terrorists? Of course not, because only a handful of them actually would be terrorists. The majority would be living peacefully around the globe. If, like you said, all of Islam is bad, 1.7 billion muslims would be trying to kill non-believers today, but they are not. They are, just like you, living peacefully with others, with humans. Im not saying that religion has nothing to do with ISIS, because it does. Their understanding and interpretation is just different and wrong, hence extremists.

What did I even think, creating a Thread here where you can't have a civilized discussion without any insults?

What you did was just a copy paste of that albanian members post, and Caliburn got very good post about that:

By trying to revert multiculturalism, which is impossible, you are practically begging to make things escalate as then you are confirming what ISIS has been proclaiming all along, which in return will make the situation worsen.

Terrorism indeed has no race or religion or you need to find an explanation as to how it was possible that terrorism has been a part of European life for the last century or so in one form or another, whether it be the anarchists, leftwing extremists or radical muslims.

And just finding something to use as a metaphorical bunching bag to vent your anger out on is not going to change much to the situation either. If you want tighter borders I suggest you move to North Korea. If not then welcome to the 21st century. What you are currently doing is just parroting people like Nigel Farage who produced this nonsense merely because they don't like something, but don't really think through the things they say or the consequences that might be caused by it.



You are not acknowledging the issue, what you are doing is finding a punching bag, a scapegoat or whatever you want to call it. Something or someone you can blame for the misfortune that has befallen us. It's a tendency that humans have had throughout their history as it's just much easier to have something specific, whether it be a person, idea or concept, that can be used as a reference point and piss on it rather than accepting the reality that the situation is too complex. People don't want to feel powerless, so they create a "villain" which gives them the false sense of security they can fight it.

Your villain is "multiculturalism", however that is not the issue. The issue is how many people can't deal with it and even that is only a small part of the whole problem and that people don't want to acknowledge that and rather stick to an imaginary villain is another part of that same problem.

And this can be proven quite easily as tell me what is multiculturalism? It's easy to read theoretical definitions, but when you apply it to society it becomes almost impossible to apprehend as where do you draw the lines? Religion? Language? Ethnicity? Nationality? Some of the most prosperous empires in history were so successful because of their multicultural nature. America by its very core became a superpower because of that same multicultural background. When you subjectively are going to draw lines to what you think is acceptable, you are not acknowledging the issue, you are creating it.

Yes Islam is involved here, but it's not the only thing that's involved here and generalizing it is not going to be any help. To go along with your disease analogy, if you diagnose wrong the consequences could be catastrophic. It's also troublesome that you think that the first step is "blaming" as that that's the least important and the most irrelevant aspect of the entire thing and by doing so you just confirmed again what I said: people rather point fingers, which doesn't solve anything, rather than facing the reality of the situation.
 
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