[Explanation] Why Kaguya arc turned to crap and how it would be fixed

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I just want to share with you short points with explanation. I will add scans later because now I am on my phone, so let's begin

Flaws in Kaguya's arc:

1. Bad timming -

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Foreshadowing of Kaguya's come back/ressurection was actually pretty good, however the timing for binging her back was horribly. I mean Uchiha Madara who just gained Ultimate power was taken out by Kaguya's will without showing anything of his power magnitude.

Solution: Kishi should have let Madara fought against Naruto and Sasuke showing his all powers, then when Madara was weakened Black Zetsu should strike him. It woul be nice repeat of Madara "stabbing" Obito when he was the weakest. It would make Madara's fans pleased with Madara's fight and Kaguya's return would be more exciting. Another possibility would be stating in Manga that after casting IT caster is left powerless or close to powerless having some cooldown time until power return, then he would have done what he has done but Madara's fans would still rage.

2. No purpouse of Black Zetsu in battle against Kaguya

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- He has no point, as all him recording shinobi battles whole manga has no impact on Kaguya's fighting style or battle smartkness.

Solution: Kishi should make Black Zetsu absorbed back by Kaguya. Kaguya should have all BZ dialogs which would solve character development. Kishi wouldn't make Kaguya chakra obesesive but rather hating humankind for wars and trying to turn everyone in slave under her control or wiping out humankind from planet.
Kaguya should also explain reason for Zetsu's army and get few flashbacks.

3. Hiding Sasuke's abilties or at least show more from him

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- This is the main point why Kaguya's battle sucked. Until Kaguya separated them the battle was interesting and nice. Due to Sasuke showing little to none new abilties Kishi had to keep Kaguya away from him. It caused Kaguya vs Naruto battle while Sasuke had to be retrieved which caused Kaguya's nerfing for Naruto to be able to keep up with her.

Solution: After she separated them and trapped Naruto with Dimenssion World attack as being one with nature she should went straight for Sasuke as he was alone. It would show Sasuke and Naruto's performances against Kaguya so readers would enjoy the battle and compare. After fight against Sasuke Kaguya would comes back to Naruto wanting to finish him as Sasuke would somehow escape to her other dimenssion. While Kaguya fought Naruto Sasuke would be retireved fast so they would once again fighting her

4. Too short battle after power up

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- One of the greatest issues, Kaguya just recieved power up at the same time when Kakashi was gifted with Obito's power up, however it was only for one chapter to later fade away.

Solution: Either prolong the battle and not rushing plot or without giving power up and maker her loss faster and in more reasonable way

5. Immortality concept

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- I am not sure if most of people agree with me, but introducing immortality concept in Madara or Kaguya's case was horrible move, as it took away most of danger, thrill comming from battle. We know that noone attack besides seal can work.

Solution: Never introduce true immortality instead replacing it with incredible power with eternal life and insane regeneration. he battle would be much more enjoyable and effective.

Conclusion: Pointless existence of BZ in fight, hiding Sasuke's skills and holding back all characters along with bad timming and immortality concept as cheery at the top of cake brought this arc to utter shame.

In the end Kaguya arc was only used for Kishi to accomplish two goals:

- end Madara as Kishi didn't know how to deal with him
- prolong manga and give Kishimoto time to show Naruto skills and some fanservice while preparing for Naruto vs Sasuke battle

Agree or Disagree ?

Please share your thoughts

 

[Angelic.]

how did hago die from old age if he was a juubi jin? madara said he was immortal. unless its bc of the shinju?

the power up chapter was dumb. obito should have been the one to do kamui.

wasted a chap rescuing sasuke altho it was cute

i agree on just about everything esp about madara being taken out so fast and bz not being absorbed by her. him hiding in her sleeve was cute tho...

i liked when he sassed obito. they were together for a long time, youd think he'd be surprised that his false goal was a lie and bz was somethhing else.

 

[sandman20]

How many threads have you made post-Kaguya arc about the Kaguya arc and how you feel about it? Man, you can hold a grudge Lol

 

[Legend Slayer]

That was unnecessary. Kaguya arc sucked because it was asspull. That's all you need to say.

 

[V h o]

It became garbage when Kishi turned Kagaya into a cabbage, rabbit goddess my as.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Kaguya and Madara weren't Immortal. Madara was just gloating, and Kaguya didn't have any regeneration, making her about as immortal as Hidan.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Kaguya and Madara weren't Immortal. Madara was just gloating, and Kaguya didn't have any regeneration, making her about as immortal as Hidan.

She grew back an arm...

 

[EmotionalRockfish]

I totally agree with number two, though I think Kaguya could have still been Chakra obsessive as well as harboring a hatred for humans, which I think is hinted at, but... Kishi has written some truly psychopathic characters, he could have done the same for Kaguya, definitely.

I kind of think she lost her personality when she created black zetsu? Her will is in BZ, and now she's kind of empty, with no will. Explaining something like this would have given her lack of character a reason, instead of it just feeling like bad writing. However, BZ should have been absorbed, I agree. That would have given her more dialog. Also some flashbacks would have been nice, to see things from her perspective.

Do you remember that manic grin Kaguya had when she was shown as the IT was cast? That's what badass-ery I was expecting from her.

 

[KCMNaruto]

how did hago die from old age if he was a juubi jin? madara said he was immortal. unless its bc of the shinju?

the power up chapter was dumb. obito should have been the one to do kamui.

wasted a chap rescuing sasuke altho it was cute

i agree on just about everything esp about madara being taken out so fast and bz not being absorbed by her. him hiding in her sleeve was cute tho...

i liked when he sassed obito. they were together for a long time, youd think he'd be surprised that his false goal was a lie and bz was somethhing else.

Thanks for your detailed opinion.

Hagoromo was still affected by agging process, most likely due to Juubi's evil chakra which is just Kaguya's chakra merged with Shinjuu. It is possible Hagoromo's mother was using it to damage his body make him agging while when Kaguya has control the chakra was under her control with no mind to damage her body.

Hagoromo souls/chakra is still immortal as he can travel through time and space.

How many threads have you made post-Kaguya arc about the Kaguya arc and how you feel about it? Man, you can hold a grudge Lol

I can do what I want, sorry If it bother you.

That was unnecessary. Kaguya arc sucked because it was asspull. That's all you need to say.

Maybe , I just wanted to make it short and specify only points which are responsible for Kaguya arc turning crap, because there were some good stuffs also.

It became garbage when Kishi turned Kagaya into a cabbage, rabbit goddess my as.

Yes it did, but I wanted to dicuss reasons which stay behind it.

Kaguya and Madara weren't Immortal. Madara was just gloating, and Kaguya didn't have any regeneration, making her about as immortal as Hidan.

arm regrowing, insane regeneration ?

Did you forget it already ?

I totally agree with number two, though I think Kaguya could have still been Chakra obsessive as well as harboring a hatred for humans, which I think is hinted at, but... Kishi has written some truly psychopathic characters, he could have done the same for Kaguya, definitely.

I kind of think she lost her personality when she created black zetsu? Her will is in BZ, and now she's kind of empty, with no will. Explaining something like this would have given her lack of character a reason, instead of it just feeling like bad writing. However, BZ should have been absorbed, I agree. That would have given her more dialog. Also some flashbacks would have been nice, to see things from her perspective.

Do you remember that manic grin Kaguya had when she was shown as the IT was cast? That's what badass-ery I was expecting from her.

Yeah Kaguya should recieve much more depth and character development if this happened

Thanks for such detailed feedback

 

[Yami no Kagutsuchi]

Well that's nice but still better than Madara

 

[Sakura x Ino]

The only way the Kaguya arc can be fixed:

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Naruto steps in and takes Kaguya for himself.
The only possible way to redeem itself.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Well that's nice but still better than Madara

not by Canon material, defnietly is by potential feats.

The only way the Kaguya arc can be fixed:

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Naruto steps in and takes Kaguya for himself.
The only possible way to redeem itself.

LOL....

I would like this honestly, although I prefer my version

 

[Omar19992010]

Kaguya and Madara weren't Immortal. Madara was just gloating, and Kaguya didn't have any regeneration, making her about as immortal as Hidan.

Kaguya regrow a arm, Madara grew back a pair of Legs and his right torso.

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

That arc was so bad, yeah and you are right OP.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Kaguya and Madara weren't Immortal. Madara was just gloating, and Kaguya didn't have any regeneration, making her about as immortal as Hidan.

Then how'd her arm come back after Naruto chopped it off

 

[MAN OF SIN]

The only way the Kaguya arc can be fixed:

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Naruto steps in and takes Kaguya for himself.
The only possible way to redeem itself.

I'm still waiting for that hentai parody of chapter 682.

 

[KCMNaruto]

That arc was so bad, yeah and you are right OP.

Yeah , sadly this is the truth

I'm still waiting for that hentai parody of chapter 682.

Haha lol you know what is good

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Kaguya regrow a arm, Madara grew back a pair of Legs and his right torso.

Tsunade can regenerate. Does that make her immortal?

Immortal implies that their is no way to possibly kill them. Extracting the Bijuu would work on Kaguya, and it did work on madara. There is no such thing as immortality in the narutoverse.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Then how'd her arm come back after Naruto chopped it off

Whenever characters transform into completely different forms, then turn back to normal, they regenerate. Kaguya turned into the Juubi first.
She has no feats of healing without transformation.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Yeah, Kishi rushed the whole arc so much.
Oh well, Hopefully he doesn't screw up the upcoming fight...