[Explanation] Orochimaru's Body Transfer [AfricanProdigy Debunked]

[FearxDeath]

[Explanation] Orochimaru's Body Transfer [AfricanProdigy Debunked] [Resolved]

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This thread is more as an answer to a different thread made by

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. In it he has a theory that revolved around the fact that he thought that Orochimaru's Body Transfer Jutsu allows the user to keep KKG while obtaining the new KKG of the person it is being used on.

Problems with this​

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I want to point out the glaring problems with the assumption that the Body Transfer jutsu allows the user to keep his current KKG while obtaining the KKG of the person it is being used on.

• Why would Orochimaru limit himself to these kinds of KKG... He could go around stealing different nature type users and effectively master all 5 types of jutsu (Fire, Lightning, Earth, Water and Wind) in 10 years excluding the 2 he was born with.
• Even with Kimmimaro being sick he wouldn't need to worry about that. He just Body Transfers into him, waits 3 years, Body Transfers to someone else and he still has Kimmimaro's KKG. And being that Kimmimaro was his subordinate for quite some time(prior to even meeting Juugo) there must be an explanation as to why he never did it.
• But the most glaring reason as to why this doesn't work is because the KKG is a KKG.... As in Bloodline Limit. As in it is in the Blood. Now if Orochimaru's consciousness is transferred into somebody else, where within that process does the DNA from one body pass on to the next? What logic could be used to explain how the new body would have the KKG of the old body?

Now another thing he speaks about is the fact that he thinks that the people in Juugo's Clan, for no real reason, happen to go berserk. And he mentions that Kimmimaro and Sasuke are for some strange reason the only 2 people who he doesnt go berserk around because they "Calm Him". Therefore the reason Orochimaru wants them is because he can then Body transfer into Jugo, obtaining his KKG to absorb nature chakra, then Body Transfer into them, taking Jugo's KKG with him. Or something like that..

Now the reason this is wrong is for a simple fact, Juugo's clan doesnt go beserk for no real reason. In the following Section I will discuss Juugo in depth explaining his abilities and why he goes beserk.

Analysis of Juugo​

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Now first thing is first. We need to discuss Juugo's Mindstate. The reason Jugo goes beserk is because of his ability to absorb Nature chakra. It makes him bipolar and when he gets angry he loses control and trasnsforms. Because of this he went into seclusion as solidarity (Nature, Birds, Bee's etc..) calmed him down, he was found in seclusion by Kimmimaro who befriended him and convinced him to join Orochimaru becoming his test subject in lieu that he would be cured of his uncontrollable rage.

The bipolar nature of Juugo is displayed prior to him meeting Sasuke when he is in his cell.

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Now AfricanProdogy also makes the claim the Kimmimaro and Sasuke calm Juugo down which is why Orochimaru is interested in them.. If that was the case then explain this:

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The proceeding scans BLATENTLY SHOW that the reason Juugo followed these people where not because they magically calmed him down but rather were strong enough to stop him when he did go on his rampages.

You also say that the reason Kimmimaro/Sasuke are needed is because Juugo feels comfortable around them which is needed for the Body Transfer Proccess. But it doesn't matter how comfortable Juugo feels about the person who is taking over his body. That is Irrelevant, Orochimaru plans on taking Sasuke's body and we all know he doesnt want that one bit, How does ones feelings having there body taken effect anything... On top of that you say that the reason could not go into Sage Mode was "because of there tendancy to go beserk".... WHAT!!! Where did you get that information from... who told you that? Did you make that up and put it out there as a fact? The reason he cant go into Sage Mode is because he has no training in doing such a thing.

Analysis of Orochimaru​

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ALOT OF PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK THAT OROCHIMARU DOES KEEP HIS KKG UPON USING BODY TRANSFER. So that would mean that if he Body Transferred from Sasukes body to someone elses that another pair of Sharingans would be created? The one left in Sasukes body and the new ones created in the body he is transferring too????

Can anybody please give me a scan or any kind of proof or evidence that makes them think he keeps the KKG? Or do you say he does because you WANT him to because it makes him more powerful... Dont get me wrong I am an Oro Fanboy... but im not going to lie just so he looks stronger than he is.

Conclusion​

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So with that we see a few things:

1. Orochimaru does not reserve KKG abilities upon using the Body Transfer Technique
2. Kimmimaro/Sasuke Did not "Calm Down" Juugo rather they were strong enough to keep him from wreaking havoc if he ever lost control.
3. Juugo was Bi-Polar, the same with everyone in his clan, due to them being exposed to mass amounts of Nature Chakra. And thus when he loses control he goes into Sage Transformation and goes wild.

With that your thread is debunked and proven to be false...

QUESTIONS FOR AFRICANPRODIGY TO ANSWER​

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• Explain how and why Orochimaru would keep the KKG (BLOOD LINE LIMIT) of the original body after he has transferred his consciousness into a different body.
• Explain why Orochimaru would find it perfectly sufficiant to use Edo's in order to use the different nature types but wouldnt find it sufficient to use Edo's for different KKG's like Kimmimaro's or the Sharingan.
• Explain why Kimmimaro/Sasuke is important to using SM as in your thread you say that the reason orochimaru picked Kimimaro/Sasuke was not only because of there KKG but because of there effect on Juugo. Or are you giving up this idea since i have debunked that nonsense in this thread and if so WOULDNT that idea be ESSENTIAL to your thread.
• I say it would take 9 Years for Orochimaru to master all 5 Nature Types since he is born with 2 and upon using body transfer has 3 years to master each different element. 3 years each * 3 KKG = 9. Explain where you get the number 12 from.

After seeing his thread get soo many ("Good Theory"s and "Good job"s) I am at my breaking point. Something so blatantly wrong shouldn't have gotten that much praise. So this is everyone's "Fair Warning", This is the first in the line of debunked. I grow weary of people coming up with nonsense theories and so I will be debunking [Theory] threads on sight if it is not up to snuff. Hopefully that will inspire more meaningful threads and more educated discussions.

Fear --- Judge. Jury. Executioner.​

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[Punk Hazard]

But...he does keep the KKG. He didn't transfer into Kimmimaro because he had a disease that would have killed Oro before he could transfer again.

 

[GwemBaba]

I imagine once he takes the body he merges the useful DNA to himself, so he permanantly has them.

 

[Jellal Fernandes]

So tempting to post a Didn't read LOL gif....Oh well and Lol at this.

"After seeing his thread get soo many ("Good Theory"s and "Good job"s) I am at my breaking point. Something so blatantly wrong shouldn't have gotten that much praise. So this is everyone's "Fair Warning", This is the first in the line of debunked. I grow weary of people coming up with nonsense theories and so I will be debunking [Theory] threads on sight if it is not up to snuff. Hopefully that will inspire more meaningful threads and more educated discussions." *_* Made me chuckle.

 

[FearxDeath]

But...he does keep the KKG. He didn't transfer into Kimmimaro because he had a disease that would have killed Oro before he could transfer again.

You say he does keep his KKG? Can you show me what makes you think that... CAN ANYBODY SHOW ME WHAT MAKES THEM THINK THAT?. A scan, ANY SCAN will do.

 

[AfricanProdigy]

You make good points, but I did state that Juugo's clan did go berserk because of ST although admittedly it wasn't clear. And, Orochimaru wouldn't just go out and waste his time (12 years) to get all chakra natures. There is no point when he has Edo Tensei, which gives him access to abilities like Hashi's Wood Style and Tobirama's Water Style. While it isn't as good as the original's when they were alive, abilities like Tobirama's Water Wall and Water Dragon and Hashi's Nativity of a World of Trees were able to give Hiruzen trouble. Rather, he preferred to get access to powerful techniques within a short period of time like in my theory how Oro was going to get SM and Shikotsumakyu, a combination which is killer, instead of having to wait 12 years to get all the natures, which is powerful but IMO not as good as SM and Shikotsumakyu combined. Plus, it does matter that Kimimaro was ill because in case you didn't know, he was slowly dying from his disease. Knowing Orochimaru he likes not only strong bodies, but healthy ones. This is why he chose Sasuke over Kimimaro because if he were to take over Kimimaro's body it would rot away before Orochimaru even has time to perform the LCR. Essentially, he would die. And your KKG point is absolute bull*hit. Why do you think he wanted Sasuke's body? So he could obtain the Sharingan WHICH IS A KKG while also having a youthful body. You try too hard to prove me wrong. With this comment I have essentially debunked YOU and proved all of your points wrong. Next time you try to debunk another person, get your facts and points straight because I do not need to be educated, it is you. If you have anything else to say, please, entertain me.

 

[Space Cowboy]

You make good points, but I did state that Juugo's clan did go berserk because of ST although admittedly it wasn't clear. And, Orochimaru wouldn't just go out and waste his time (12 years) to get all chakra natures. There is no point when he has Edo Tensei, which gives him access to abilities like Hashi's Wood Style and Tobirama's Water Style. While it isn't as good as the original's when they were alive, abilities like Tobirama's Water Wall and Water Dragon and Hashi's Nativity of a World of Trees were able to give Hiruzen trouble. Rather, he preferred to get access to powerful techniques within a short period of time like in my theory how Oro was going to get SM and Shikotsumakyu, a combination which is killer, instead of having to wait 12 years to get all the natures, which is powerful but IMO not as good as SM and Shikotsumakyu combined. Plus, it does matter that Kimimaro was ill because in case you didn't know, he was slowly dying from his disease. Knowing Orochimaru he likes not only strong bodies, but healthy ones. This is why he chose Sasuke over Kimimaro because if he were to take over Kimimaro's body it would rot away before Orochimaru even has time to perform the LCR. Essentially, he would die. And your KKG point is absolute bull*hit. Why do you think he wanted Sasuke's body? So he could obtain the Sharingan WHICH IS A KKG while also having a youthful body. You try too hard to prove me wrong. With this comment I have essentially debunked YOU and proved all of your points wrong. Next time you try to debunk another person, get your facts and points straight because I do not need to be educated, it is you. If you have anything else to say, please, entertain me.

Shit just got real

 

[AfricanProdigy]

Shit just got real

Trust me, I play hardball like Chris Matthews to anyone who tries to make me look like a fool with BS info.

 

[Dark Artist]

Interesting thread and alot of Informations

you deserve a + REP

 

[FearxDeath]

You make good points, but I did state that Juugo's clan did go berserk because of ST although admittedly it wasn't clear. And, Orochimaru wouldn't just go out and waste his time (12 years) to get all chakra natures. There is no point when he has Edo Tensei, which gives him access to abilities like Hashi's Wood Style and Tobirama's Water Style. While it isn't as good as the original's when they were alive, abilities like Tobirama's Water Wall and Water Dragon and Hashi's Nativity of a World of Trees were able to give Hiruzen trouble. Rather, he preferred to get access to powerful techniques within a short period of time like in my theory how Oro was going to get SM and Shikotsumakyu, a combination which is killer, instead of having to wait 12 years to get all the natures, which is powerful but IMO not as good as SM and Shikotsumakyu combined. Plus, it does matter that Kimimaro was ill because in case you didn't know, he was slowly dying from his disease. Knowing Orochimaru he likes not only strong bodies, but healthy ones. This is why he chose Sasuke over Kimimaro because if he were to take over Kimimaro's body it would rot away before Orochimaru even has time to perform the LCR. Essentially, he would die. And your KKG point is absolute bull*hit. Why do you think he wanted Sasuke's body? So he could obtain the Sharingan WHICH IS A KKG while also having a youthful body. You try too hard to prove me wrong. With this comment I have essentially debunked YOU and proved all of your points wrong. Next time you try to debunk another person, get your facts and points straight because I do not need to be educated, it is you. If you have anything else to say, please, entertain me.

You have to be kidding me.

1) You say you didnt make it clear that they go beserk because of ST? You didnt say it AT ALL.

2) This is where you get real funny. You say that Orochimaru has no reason to spend 9 YEARS, (3 years per Nature Chakra, where you go 12 from is beyond me) obtaining all the Nature Chakras KKG because he already has Edo.... SO THEN WHY IS HE TRYING TO GET KIMMIMAROS KKG OR JUGOS OR ANYOTHER KKG... WHY NOT USE EDOS. Your solution disproves your own argument...

3) HALF your entire response is a response to the fact that I said that Oro would have spent NINE(9) years getting all 5 KKG Nature types... THIS WAS A SIDE NOTE. I could kick it out of my thread as a whole and my argument would be intact. You spending so much time attacking it only shows that it was the only thing you COULD attack.

4) Kimmimaro was slowly dying from disease huh... How long did that take? Because he met Oro sometime in PT1 and there is a 2 year gap between PT1 and PT2 alone not to mention the time it takes from him to be killed by Gaara. God knows how long it would have taken him to die if not for that. And as we know Oro would have only needed to be in him for 3 years.

But here is the BEST PART

5) "And your KKG point is absolute bull*hit. Why do you think he wanted Sasuke's body? So he could obtain the Sharingan WHICH IS A KKG while also having a youthful body." WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? I KNOW HE CAN GET KKG FROM MOVING INTO A NEW BODY. What I was saying if you bother to read was that he DOES NOT KEEP THE KKG FROM HIS OLD BODY WHEN HE MOVES TO A NEW ONE. IF HE GOT SASUKES BODY HE WOULD HAVE SHARINGAN FOR 40+ YEAR UP UNTIL HE SWITCHED TO A DIFFERENT BODY. BUT HE DOES NOT KEEP THE KKG OF THE OLD BODY WHEN HE MOVES TO A NEW ONE ANd YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING TO DISPROVE THIS.


YOU COMPLETELY IGNORED EVERY SINGLE POINT I MADE. COMPLETELY!!

I advise you re-read what I posted and make another comment that actually answers some of the questions I have asked which I will add to the thread so you can better understand them.

Trust me, I play hardball like Chris Matthews to anyone who tries to make me look like a fool with BS info.

You look like an idiot given the fact that you didnt answer a single question I asked. You spent half your time arguing about WHETHER OR NOT Orochimaru would want to get 5 Nature Type KKG over other kinds of KKG. Then you say "HE WANTS TO GET SASUKE" as if you said something profound.

 

[AfricanProdigy]

You have to be kidding me.

1) You say you didnt make it clear that they go beserk because of ST? You didnt say it AT ALL.

2) This is where you get real funny. You say that Orochimaru has no reason to spend 9 YEARS, (3 years per Nature Chakra, where you go 12 from is beyond me) obtaining all the Nature Chakras KKG because he already has Edo.... SO THEN WHY IS HE TRYING TO GET KIMMIMAROS KKG OR JUGOS OR ANYOTHER KKG... WHY NOT USE EDOS. Your solution disproves your own argument...

3) HALF your entire response is a response to the fact that I said that Oro would have spent NINE(9) years getting all 5 KKG Nature types... THIS WAS A SIDE NOTE. I could kick it out of my thread as a whole and my argument would be intact. You spending so much time attacking it only shows that it was the only thing you COULD attack.

4) Kimmimaro was slowly dying from disease huh... How long did that take? Because he met Oro sometime in PT1 and there is a 2 year gap between PT1 and PT2 alone not to mention the time it takes from him to be killed by Gaara. God knows how long it would have taken him to die if not for that. And as we know Oro would have only needed to be in him for 3 years.

But here is the BEST PART

5) "And your KKG point is absolute bull*hit. Why do you think he wanted Sasuke's body? So he could obtain the Sharingan WHICH IS A KKG while also having a youthful body." WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? I KNOW HE CAN GET KKG FROM MOVING INTO A NEW BODY. What I was saying if you bother to read was that he DOES NOT KEEP THE KKG FROM HIS OLD BODY WHEN HE MOVES TO A NEW ONE. IF HE GOT SASUKES BODY HE WOULD HAVE SHARINGAN FOR 40+ YEAR UP UNTIL HE SWITCHED TO A DIFFERENT BODY. BUT HE DOES NOT KEEP THE KKG OF THE OLD BODY WHEN HE MOVES TO A NEW ONE ANd YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING TO DISPROVE THIS.


YOU COMPLETELY IGNORED EVERY SINGLE POINT I MADE. COMPLETELY!!

I advise you re-read what I posted and make another comment that actually answers some of the questions I have asked which I will add to the thread so you can better understand them.






You look like an idiot given the fact that you didnt answer a single question I asked. You spent half your time arguing about WHETHER OR NOT Orochimaru would want to get 5 Nature Type KKG over other kinds of KKG. Then you say "HE WANTS TO GET SASUKE" as if you said something profound.

You know what, I think this is getting a bit out of hand. I do see what you are saying although I still have MANY points to disapprove 1-4, it's just I really don't have time for this but I do apologize for the KKG scuffle as I misread what you said and also for those end statements of my reply. I can admit I got a bit excited because honestly I was just in a bad mood at the time. How about let's just reconcile? I still think that some of my points are correct but I do apologize for getting out of hand and getting riled up, therefore making myself misread what you said. How about it? Let us just reconcile.

 

[AfricanProdigy]

And a little side note, I didn't read the questions so much, I mostly just answered to your reply on my thread, so sorry for any confusion. I can answer them, if you give me a moment.

 

[FearxDeath]

Not gonna lie I was getting pretty steamed as well. And I wouldnt blame you for being upset I mean I pretty much called you out. Even though I arguably had good reason to x__x. I just have a pet peeve when I see uninformed people or something like that, no offense what so ever intended, its just that I and some other guys like Dr.Proof and Derp Obito. but work into theories which require scans and clear evidence of what is going on. So when I see a thread marked theory I get a little excited, I go in to see it and see something like what you posted and got disappointed since it was bad info. Then I saw every saying good theory and stuff like that and sorta lost it.

I have this tendency to be an ******* when i really am not trying to. To be frank I wasnt trying to make you look like a fool or anything I just wanted to clarify things and I haven't mastered a way of showing an argument to be wrong politely x__x.

But come on you have to admit I did make a good case as to why your theory was wrong? If you have a rebuttle or counter of any sorts I would love to hear it.

Just read your new comment, I await your reply

 

[AfricanProdigy]

Not gonna lie I was getting pretty steamed as well. And I wouldnt blame you for being upset I mean I pretty much called you out. Even though I arguably had good reason to x__x. I just have a pet peeve when I see uninformed people or something like that, no offense what so ever intended, its just that I and some other guys like Dr.Proof and Derp Obito. but work into theories which require scans and clear evidence of what is going on. So when I see a thread marked theory I get a little excited, I go in to see it and see something like what you posted and got disappointed since it was bad info. Then I saw every saying good theory and stuff like that and sorta lost it.

I have this tendency to be an ******* when i really am not trying to. To be frank I wasnt trying to make you look like a fool or anything I just wanted to clarify things and I haven't mastered a way of showing an argument to be wrong politely x__x.

But come on you have to admit I did make a good case as to why your theory was wrong? If you have a rebuttle or counter of any sorts I would love to hear it.

Just read your new comment, I await your reply

Of course, I admit you have good points. One I would like to highlight on is the one with Edo Tensei, which almost shut me down TBH lol XD

 

[AfricanProdigy]

Oh, and for the Nature/time limit stuff I accidentally put 12 years instead of 9 just because I forgot to take into account that he has TWO Natures that he was born with.