Explanation On How Tobi Can Be Obito

[redsglory1974]

Actually kishi's too lazy to draw otherwise and save his time alot T.T

 

[Who]

didn't nagato get his eyes when he was a child according to jiraya.
that means that obito was to young if he wasn't even born when jiraya begun to train him. obito was about 10 durning the third great ninja war. so if jiraya trained nagato after he saw his eyes durning the second great ninja war then there is more than one tobi or obito is lying

 

[natssuu]

I think you are the only one who doesn't know how to get MS. Ask anybody, everybody will tell you the same as me. Go reread the manga.

You can't prove your statement, and you tell me to reread the manga? -b logic

 

[Kyno]

If you use a messed up time line to support your theory, then your theory is weak. You can't base your thoughts off of bad writing. You would have to prove how the timeline could have been altered in order to say that time doesn't matter. Like I have here:

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I proved that kamui bends time, therefore making tobi's age after requiring ms irrelevant. You need proof that such a time bend is possible to base your theory or points within your theory on it.

 

[Kyno]

And on top of that, if Obito used oro's jutsu he would not be able to switch appearances. Just like in impure world resurrection, the original body is lost in the process, along with its soul

 

[Kyno]

Your theory is interesting and contains some interesting ideas, but as a whole it is flawed

 

[FizzyDrink]

I must agree with Kyno (although not I sure about the Kamui bending time thing...). You have to account for the timeline. I'm fairly certain that everything in the timeline can be explained, contrary to your belief. And proving your theory by saying "well the manga has been wrong before" is literally just a different way of saying "yes, my theory is wrong and impossible, but Kishi's messed up before, maybe he'll mess up and my theory will work!". Basically your theory doesn't fit the timeline. Try reworking it.

I personally believe in a much simpler theory. Izuna turns out to still be alive. Finally he comes near death (having elongated his life with Hashi cells/Zetsu) and goes looking for a body to take over. Obito's body is perfect, because no one would notice that someone took it. So he takes it with the help of Zetsu, and now uses it. This explains pretty much everything I believe.

 

[Kyno]

I must agree with Kyno (although not I sure about the Kamui bending time thing...). You have to account for the timeline. I'm fairly certain that everything in the timeline can be explained, contrary to your belief. And proving your theory by saying "well the manga has been wrong before" is literally just a different way of saying "yes, my theory is wrong and impossible, but Kishi's messed up before, maybe he'll mess up and my theory will work!". Basically your theory doesn't fit the timeline. Try reworking it.

I personally believe in a much simpler theory. Izuna turns out to still be alive. Finally he comes near death (having elongated his life with Hashi cells/Zetsu) and goes looking for a body to take over. Obito's body is perfect, because no one would notice that someone took it. So he takes it with the help of Zetsu, and now uses it. This explains pretty much everything I believe.

Thank you, and read my link, and tell me if and why I'm wrong.

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[punj]

This theory satisfies me, so i will say that you did well, compiling it..

+rep

It is minimum you deserve

 

[Who]

yeah the time bending is right. but because he exists in a parallel dimension where the time is slower then the one we are in. then he must age in the dimension his body exists in. so if he where to train in there he must also age in there so he should look way older then kakashi if he has been training like that since the age of 14.

 

[CrossEyedOochiha]

My theory on how Tobi can be Obito is that Uchiha Madara was able to copy Mu's splitting technique and when he lost to Hashirama he split and since he unsealed the Rinnegan he is able to do what Pain did and use dead bodies to fight for him but since he is only half the Madara he can only create one.

Another theory I had is Obito is Madara, after losing to Hashirama he used Izanagi to bring himself back as a boy.

What do you guys think?

 

[taugamanoy]

oh! all i knew is that obito just disguised from the very start!

 

[Shouten]

Very good theory, but a little complicated. Your theory could be true, but not all of it, only much simpler.

 

[wcdregon]

Good theory but in flashbacks they show nagato's Rinnegan activate for the 1st time. Not a single person in the story with implanted eyes is able to deactivate them. Ive done extensive research on this topic and even with the reveal i'm not convinced Tobi = Obito adn if it s the real Obito, its not natural he was either revived or transplanted

 

[Badass09]

Now I'm going to explain how Tobi can be Obito and his connections with Madara, Zetsu and Orochimaru. So, please read.

-After Madara's fight with Hashirama, Madara obtained Hashirama's DNA. Madara then implanted it in himself, gaining Rinnegan and being able to live a little longer. After that he created Zetsu with remaining Hashirama DNA, and then he made Zetsu make a perfect clone of Madara himself. Then Madara told Zetsu about Moon's Eye plan, all his knowledge about ninja world, SO6P, Uchiha and Senju, simply everything he knew, and also his plan which I'm going to explain now.

-All of this what I'm going to explain was part of Madara's plan.

-Madara somehow found Obito's body and then revived him with the same jutsu Nagato used to revive ninja of Konoha, and then Madara died. Zetsu and Madara's Zetsu clone told Obito everything that Madara told them. That explains how Obito knew so much. Zetsu maybe also told Obito some lies to fuel his hatred for Konoha and Uchiha, but I'm not sure. Also, at some point later, he found out about Rin's death after which he gained MS. He then felt a lot of hatred towards Kakashi and ninja world, and became what he is now. Obito then decided to follow Madara's wish and complete Moon's Eye plan.

-Obito then started searching for Nagato. When he found him, Obito put Nagato under genjutsu and transplanted Rinnegan into him, which he previously took from Madara's dead body after Madara revived him. Because of a genjutsu Obito put him in, Nagato believed he had Rinnegan from the beginning. The plan here was, that Nagato was supposed to revive Madara with Rinnegan in time for Moon's Eye plan, so Nagato would die and Madara and Obito would be controlling the world with Moon's Eye.

-After that, he went to Orochimaru and Orochimaru told him how to do Immortality jutsu (The one Orochimaru wants to take over Sasuke's body). If not that jutsu, then something similar. Then, Obito took over Madara's Zetsu clone using that jutsu.

-That's where it all begins. In fight with Minato, Obito switched to Madara's Zetsu clone using the jutsu Orochimaru thought him. That explains how he could control Kurama and be so strong to put up a fight with Minato, and that's also why Minato thought it was Madara. When Minato hit him with Rasengan, his arm looked like from Zetsu, which indeed was, because it was Madara's Zetsu clone.

-Also, The one who controlled 4th Mizukage was real Madara, and here:

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Obito switched to Madara's Zetsu clone to convince Kisame he was Madara.

-That's it. Hope you liked my theory. Please, also, post on this thread as much as you can so it gets on hottest threads and people can see it, so they won't be mad at Kishi revealing Tobi as Obito.

Wrong wrong, Rinnengan can't revive everyone it pleases, It can only revive people whose were dead by the hands of the one using Rinnengan and the time to revive is just about 30 minutes I mean if a dude gets killed by Nagato and if Nagato does not revive him before 30 minutos then he will not be able to revive him just like happened with Jiraya... Not sure if its 30 minutes but there is time limite. So ya your theory is not the right one I am sorry. U_U

BTW I did not read everything... I am sorry once again.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Nice theory, I don't think it will happen exactly as you said but some things are likely good work +rep

 

[Blaze95]

I'm pretty sure that we are forgetting that Nagato would have been older then Obito. Bc Nagato was part of the 2nd great war while it is believed that Obito died during the 3rd so that's why i believe theres more to the story. Its doesnt make sense now but it will once a few more chapters come out and explains the whole thing. I think that the original Tobi is Madara then after he dies Obito took over the identity of Tobi/Madara.

 

[Expulso]

Wrong wrong, Rinnengan can't revive everyone it pleases, It can only revive people whose were dead by the hands of the one using Rinnengan and the time to revive is just about 30 minutes I mean if a dude gets killed by Nagato and if Nagato does not revive him before 30 minutos then he will not be able to revive him just like happened with Jiraya... Not sure if its 30 minutes but there is time limite. So ya your theory is not the right one I am sorry. U_U

BTW I did not read everything... I am sorry once again.

Nothing you wrote is correct. After Nagato revived Konoha ninja, Obito was pissed that it was not used for his brother, at that time we thought he was Madara. And time Izuna died was long time ago, not 30 minutes, who told you there was a time limit, That's only your Opinion.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Yes there is a reason: mind-twisting and phycological impact over the reader by misleading him to think pretty accurate data with solely a 0.01 percentage of error.

The same goes for those who still think its just a deception: Kishi wants you to doubt it. :shrug: But he has done this already when Tobi said he was Madara...so a change of identity for the 3rd time is too much. How many twists do you want? 4?5? 2 was enough IMO...Mrs.Freud...XD

 

[Badass09]

Nothing you wrote is correct. After Nagato revived Konoha ninja, Obito was pissed that it was not used for his brother, at that time we thought he was Madara. And time Izuna died was long time ago, not 30 minutes, who told you there was a time limit, That's only your Opinion.

You did not get what I said, and yeah he can't revive everyone he pleases and don't you dare defying me. U_U

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He could not bring Jiraya back to life and this translation isn't exactly what he said from kishis hands.

You are the one coming up with opinions...





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Said to exist outside the realm of life and death, Nagato could use the Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique to resurrect the recently deceased.[2] The souls of these people would be released from the mouth of the King of Hell and return to their bodies.

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