Explaining Obito and Itachi

Lilt

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Alright, so everybody knows I'm an Itachi fan, but you'll learn something new if you read.

1. Obito's Zetsu Body

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Notice that the right side of Obito's body (his right) is where Madara replaced destroyed flesh with White Zetsu.

2. Obito's Zetsu Body Replacement Technique

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As you can see, Obito can easily swap out injured Zetsu parts with fresh parts via Kamui.

3. Amaterasu Mechanics

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Madara's soul says that Amaterasu ignites exactly where the user is looking.

4. Itachi's Fail-Safe Activation

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As you can see, Itachi's design was to hit Obito's eye and face, which would remove Kamui & kill him.

5. Sasuke's shifting gaze

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However, Sasuke moved his eye to look at Obito's (Zetsu!) shoulder. So Obito swapped it out.

6. Obito versus Itachi (read the entire scan carefully)

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Now there's a lot here. I'll first focus on what nobody focuses on: "as a last-ditch effort to kill me.." Interesting, isn't it? That idiom, 'a last-ditch effort' has a strong implication of a final attempt, and implies that there were previous attempts. Itachi had been trying to kill him, but at the same time, we know Obito never even revealed Kamui's potential.

That, taken in conjunction with this what Obito later says, 'Itachi never ceases to amaze me.' and 'If I hadn't guarded my secrets closely (even Kamui,) I'd certainly be dead.' in conjunction with the scene Kishimoto wrote in his movie, where Obito chooses to teleport away from Itachi and not engage... all paints a clear portrait. Itachi had been actively trying to kill Obito, and cut off the snake's head so to speak, but that Obito kept his distance via teleportation.

Now, why else would Obito not show his face in Akatsuki, his own organization, until he knew Sasuke and Itachi were just about to have their final fight? Why else would he tell Zetsu that Itachi had been the only thing stopping him from attacking Konoha and capturing Naruto? Itachi was a great problem for Obito.

Also, before I'm attacked this has no true bearing on a battle between them, rather, it shows that Obito had such a high opinion of Itachi that he wasn't willing to risk his plans or his life by crossing Itachi, regardless of how well readers think Obito would do in those situations. After all, it's one thing to casually observe a fight, and another thing to risk everything to find out. Essentially, Obito didn't want to risk it against someone that continualy surpassed his expectations.

Itachi's huge impact on the war―saving Naruto and Bee, sealing Nagato, converting Sasuke, and arguably converting Kabuto and Orochimaru―shows how Itachi could literally tip the scales if Obito were executing his plans by himself. Perhaps not with raw power, but with knowledge and charisma i.e. talk no jutus. So whether you want to call it caution or fear, Obito was not going to cross Itachi because he knew how dangeorus Itachi was.

Hence why he let Itachi believe he was going to continue on with their pact, and Itachi instilled a fail-safes in the event (which he considered likely, given his conversation with Naruto before implanting Kotoamatsukami) that Obito would double-cross him and corrupt Sasuke with the truth after Itachi died deceiving Sasuke.

Basically, the first fail-safe not working was essentially cricrumstantial. Everything would have worked out perfectly if not for Sauske moving his eye, because Sasuke would never have learned the truth and would have returned to Konoha hero, with his vengeance satiated. The second fail-safe was similarly circumstantial, because while it was ultimately designed to persuade an EMS Sasuke to help Konoha, it instead allowed Itachi to save Naruto, Bee, and then use talk no jutsu on Sasuke, and possibly Kabuto and Orochimaru. So his plans were very well-designed, despite them not going as planned...

tl;dr: This is not a versus thread. It's an explanation of how Obito survived and the general situation of their relationship. Namely, that Obito was relatively unsure about Itachi's potential (as he said he was constantly amazing him) and thus chose to keep him safely at a distance and let the pact ride out before proceeding.
 
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Could be. I dont think itachi went to akatsuki just for the lulz.
But thats why Obito is obito lol. Strongest ninja alive, and thats hell of a title.
Unlike with konan and even minato:)p) both of which he underestimated, he had no room for such mistake vs itachi, well he also got izanagi :p
 

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You aren't trying to make it out as a versus thread, you're just explaining that situation right?

EDIT: Went through it again, ignore that. Nice job explaining it!
 
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Well I agree with you there mate,,,and not because I'm a an Itachi fan or an obito hater,,it is what it is!

But Obito fanboys are going to stomp you!!
 

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nice thread.

Haters gona hate tho.

call it what u want.

obito was scared of itachi, if he wasnt he would have cared out his plans in part one.
 

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You can't dodge something that instant appears, and that's exactly what Sasuke, Ei, and to a lesser extent, Gyuuki did. What "Madara's soul" (which is just Madara's will, not Madara himself) said is a hyperbole.

Sasuke's gaze didn't shift, he was looking in the same direction. And if Itachi designed his Amaterasu trap to blast Obito in the eye, then why did it appear elsewhere if Sasuke's gaze did move?

Obito was just giving Itachi praise, but what could Itachi had done if he did know about Obito's other secrets? Still place a trap Amaterasu into Sasuke for it to still fail?

Obito was using Itachi as his pawn to get Sasuke. There was nothing stopping Obito from eradicating Itachi if he so chose to, whether it be himself or via Akatsuki, and he was very confident in fighting Edo Itachi.
Itachi knew almost everything about Obito, but Obito turned out to be much more powerful than Itachi believed. It was Itachi whom was not willing to take any risks against Obito. This reflects Itachi's statement that Obito is more powerful than him.
 

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Sasuke's gaze didn't shift, he was looking in the same direction. And if Itachi designed his Amaterasu trap to blast Obito in the eye, then why did it appear elsewhere if Sasuke's gaze did move?
Amaterasu appears on the exact spot where the user is focusing. So it appearing on Obito's shoulder, not his eye, which activated the trap, indicates that Sasuke shifted his gaze. The only other explanation would be that Madara's soul was wrong about how Amaterasu works...

Obito was just giving Itachi praise, but what could Itachi had done if he did know about Obito's other secrets?
First, this isn't a versus thread. But I'll answer this: Izanami's usage through clones, for one. We've seen numerous weaknesses of Kamui be exploited by that jutsu. Konan used exploding tags, meaning an exploding bunshin could be dangerous to Obito. We've also seen that Obito has difficulty using Kamui offenseively against multiple opponents, which is another reason clones are dangerous to him, because it leaves him vulnerable to counterattacks. Lastly, we've seen Itachi use Izanami through clones, meaning that if Obito warped two clones in the same fashion, he'd be caught.

Obito was using Itachi as his pawn to get Sasuke. There was nothing stopping Obito from eradicating Itachi if he so chose to.
Now, now, we know that's not true... if Obito truly felt he could subjugate Itachi so easily, then he would have, and simply puppeteered the weakened Itachi with genjutsu just like he did to Yagura. Or keep him in the Kamui realm until he needed him. Or even use a White Zetsu clone to impersonate a weakened Itachi, right down to the chakra signature, for Sasuke's benefit. The reason Itachi was around so long, inhibiting Obito's plans, was because Obito was unsure of Itachi's capabilities.

and he was very confident in fighting Edo Itachi.
You mean along with Kabuto, Nagato, etc? If you he truly was confident, then that's proof of idiocy, not strength.
 

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I'm a bit confused as to the 2nd and 3rd pages you posted about. You said he used Kamui to obtain fresh body parts, but I thought he just broke off his arm and kicked it, didn't he? What does Kamui have to do with that? You see the arm sleeve flapping ( ) later after.
 
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