Exceeding the speed of light O_O

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So apparently some nifty scientists have managed to get particles to exceed the speed of light. What do you think?

This article is about a week old, and I couldnt find any mention of it in the forums so I'd thought I'd share it cause it's kinda interesting.

An international team of scientists says it has recorded sub-atomic particles travelling faster than light - a finding that could overturn one of Albert Einstein's long-accepted fundamental laws of the universe. Antonio Ereditato, spokesman for the researchers, said that measurements taken over three years showed neutrinos pumped from CERN near Geneva to Gran Sasso in Italy had arrived 60 nanoseconds quicker than light would have done.

"We have high confidence in our results. We have checked and rechecked for anything that could have distorted our measurements but we found nothing," he said. "We now want colleagues to check them independently."
If confirmed, the discovery would undermine Einstein's 1905 theory of special relativity, which says that the speed of light is a "cosmic constant" and that nothing in the universe can travel faster.

That assertion, which has withstood over a century of testing, is one of the key elements of the so-called Standard Model of physics, which attempts to describe the way the universe and everything in it works. The totally unexpected finding emerged from research by a physicists working on an experiment dubbed OPERA run jointly by the CERN particle research centre near Geneva and the Gran Sasso Laboratory in central Italy.

A total of 15,000 beams of neutrinos - tiny particles that pervade the cosmos - were fired over a period of 3 years from CERN towards Gran Sasso 730 kilometres away, where they were picked up by giant detectors.
Light would have covered the distance in around 2.4 thousandths of a second, but the neutrinos took 60 nanoseconds - or 60 billionths of a second - less than light beams would have taken.

"It is a tiny difference," said Ereditato, who also works at Berne University in Switzerland, "but conceptually it is incredibly important. The finding is so startling that, for the moment, everybody should be very prudent."
Ereditato declined to speculate on what it might mean if other physicists, who will be officially informed of the discovery at a meeting in CERN on Friday, found that OPERA's measurements were correct.
"I just don't want to think of the implications," he said. "We are scientists and work with what we know."

Much science-fiction literature is based on the idea that, if the light-speed barrier can be overcome, time travel might theoretically become possible.
The existence of the neutrino, an elementary sub-atomic particle with a tiny amount of mass created in radioactive decay or in nuclear reactions such as those in the Sun, was first confirmed in 1934, but it still mystifies researchers.
It can pass through most matter undetected, even over long distances, and without being affected. Millions pass through the human body every day, scientists say.

To reach Gran Sasso, the neutrinos pushed out from a special installation at CERN - also home to the Large Hadron Collider probing the origins of the universe - have to pass through water, air and rock.The underground Italian laboratory, some 120 kilometres to the south of Rome, is the largest of its type in the world for particle physics and cosmic research. Around 750 scientists from 22 different countries work there, attracted by the possibility of staging experiments in its three massive halls, protected from cosmic rays by some 1400 metres of rock overhead.
 

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Thats cool that they can transmit something faster than the speed of light, but what can they apply this to? What types of doors does this open? I noticed that it mentions that time travel could theoretically be possible but I highly doubt that it is.
 

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Thats cool that they can transmit something faster than the speed of light, but what can they apply this to? What types of doors does this open? I noticed that it mentions that time travel could theoretically be possible but I highly doubt that it is.
Time Travel was never actually shot down...

This itself is not useful, but the things they can do..oh boy, we are about to Enter a new Era for humanity.
 

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Time Travel was never actually shot down...

This itself is not useful, but the things they can do..oh boy, we are about to Enter a new Era for humanity.
Maybe this is how the world will end? They'll time travel and somehow mess up the so called "Time-space continuum" or whatever it's called.

I kinda doubt it/hope that it isnt possible but this is an interesting topic nevertheless.
 

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Maybe this is how the world will end? They'll time travel and somehow mess up the so called "Time-space continuum" or whatever it's called.

I kinda doubt it/hope that it isnt possible but this is an interesting topic nevertheless.
Nah, you never know.
We humans always think with the Negative way of things.
What if they actually make it back in time, and transfer all knowledge so far to the Past?
Imagine just how more Advanced the World would be. O_O
 

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I don't see us doing much with the knowledge for a few more years. Considering this goes against Einstein's theory of relativity, everything we know about the world now could actually be wrong. It's really just amazing to think that.
 

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I'll get more excited when they do two things. First, better understand their results, as neutrinos are not anywhere near as well understood as other particles. Second, have it repeated independently by another group and preferentially another site. Besides neutrino's at this point have very little application if not none to our life besides theory. It will be some time before we know more.

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I don't see us doing much with the knowledge for a few more years. Considering this goes against Einstein's theory of relativity, everything we know about the world now could actually be wrong. It's really just amazing to think that.
actually all wrong is a big overstatement, the theory was only that, a theory altough be it largely accepted

it helped us predict, calculate, ... many things that were actually correct so even IF he was wrong its still a pretty damn good theory to have, so even if this new discovery will stand Einsteins theory wont just be abandoned

thats why its a theory: something that heps us with our work in science, a model to better understand the laws of nature, some other alien species could describe it completely differently and picture it otherwise but would still be the same

A few years ago the city council of Monza, Italy, barred pet owners from keeping goldfish in curved bowls. The measure's sponsor explained the measure in part by saying that it is cruel to keep a fish in a bowl with curved sides because, gazing out, the fish would have a distorted view of reality. But how do we know we have the true, undistorted picture of reality?
The goldfish view is not the same as our own, but goldfish could still formulate scientific laws governing the motion of the objects they observe outside their bowl. For example, due to the distortion, a freely moving object would be observed by the goldfish to move along a curved path. Nevertheless, the goldfish could formulate laws from their distorted frame of reference that would always hold true. Their laws would be more complicated than the laws in our frame, but simplicity is a matter of taste.

Even atoms arent actually facts theyre just models so that we can understand and predict better.

Hope u get it XD (this post is for everyone the qute is just because of the everything we know could be wrong part), sorry but I wrotte this in a hurry I could go on and on and on ...
 

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Thats cool that they can transmit something faster than the speed of light, but what can they apply this to? What types of doors does this open? I noticed that it mentions that time travel could theoretically be possible but I highly doubt that it is.
Space Travel.. If they somehow apply it to Space Shuttles.. Plus my science teacher told me, humans are unable to survive the speed of the speed of light. Unless we somehow genetically engineer ourselves to tolerate extreme speeds, we will not be using that type of speed any time soon.
 

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Space Travel.. If they somehow apply it to Space Shuttles.. Plus my science teacher told me, humans are unable to survive the speed of the speed of light. Unless we somehow genetically engineer ourselves to tolerate extreme speeds, we will not be using that type of speed any time soon.
Whose to say they can extrapolate these findings, if they're valid, to something beyond the very special case of neutrinos that have special properties such as their lack of charge, low mass, conditions for creation, etc.

I would like to see the math underlying these findings to explain them because I I'd like to know what they used to explain their way around relativity, considering in that framework they would've used up an infinite amount of energy to do this, but didn't.

I still want these findings repeated and the theory fleshed out before I go crazy about it. It's not the first time this kind of thing has happened and proved to be false. I presume people don't know or remember the false claims of success at stable cold fusion? When there is strong theory behind something it's a he'll of a lot easier to accept it. This feels somewhat rushed to me.

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