Evolution/Stages of Madara Uchiha

[KingHashirama]

Thread is to remind everyone the different stages of Madara Uchiha, since everyone confuses his prime and VOTE form.

MS Madara:​

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EMS Madara:​

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VOTE Madara:​

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People when usually say "EMS Madara" they refer to VOTE Madara, however Madara with just the EMS had lost to a non-SM Hashirama. Vote Madara is in a whole another league compared to Ems Madara.

As we saw from Today's chapter there is quite a difference between Normal PS and Kurama + PS. Ems Madara is was inferior to Hashirama at VOTE.


Also for the ones claiming "oh he could summon the 9-tails." He can't summon it when ever he wants.. why? due to the jinchurikis. Not to mention he got Kurama's help only for his battle against Hashirama.


Do you guys believe there is a vast difference between VOTE and EMS Madara?

 

[Crossroads]

Prime Madara is VotE Madara.

 

[-immortal-]

Prime Madara is VotE Madara.

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[KingHashirama]

Prime Madara is VotE Madara.

Prime Madara is simply Madara with Perfect Susanoo.

 

[Minator93]

I always differentiate between EMS Madara and VOTE Madara U_U

 

[Crossroads]

Prime Madara is simply Madara with Perfect Susanoo.

The summoning was once part of his arsenal, had he not been weakened in battle.. he would have kept Kurama swayed until death.

Prime Madara was EMS Madara + Kyuubi, otherwise known as, VotE Madara.

 

[Gerkak]

Prime Madara is VotE Madara.

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[KingHashirama]

The summoning was once part of his arsenal, had he not been weakened in battle.. he would have kept Kurama swayed until death.

Prime Madara was EMS Madara + Kyuubi, otherwise known as, VotE Madara.

Arsenal: a collection of weapons

When determining the prime of someone their weapons aren't included. You should know this. Michael Jordan's prime does not include him having a basketball. Simply includes his ability to play basketball. Just as Madara had the ability to Control Kurama. Because if we are including Kurama as Madara's power simply because he can TELEPORT IT from one place to where he is.. that would be mean the Senju clan and Konoha should be Hashirama's power in prime.

Do you see the flaw in your logic?

@Bold, you have no evidence.

 

[Crossroads]

Arsenal: a collection of weapons

When determining the prime of someone their weapons aren't included. You should know this. Michael Jordan's prime does not include him having a basketball. Simply includes his ability to play basketball. Just as Madara had the ability to Control Kurama. Because if we are including Kurama as Madara's power simply because he can TELEPORT IT from one place to where he is.. that would be mean the Senju clan and Konoha should be Hashirama's power in prime.

Do you see the flaw in your logic?

@Bold, you have no evidence.

All of the Bijuu's were treated as weapons until Bee and the Hachibi, the Manga states this. You should stop making analogies, because you're not very good at them. I guess ShinSusenju isn't part of Hashirama's prime.. right?

There is no flaw in my logic, you've already been disproved on this topic by many other members in another thread you made, so let's not discuss it too much further.

And you have no evidence that the Kyuubi wouldn't have been had he not been weakened in battle, *yawn*

 

[KingHashirama]

All of the Bijuu's were treated as weapons until Bee and the Hachibi, the Manga states this. You should stop making analogies, because you're not very good at them. I guess ShinSusenju isn't part of Hashirama's prime.. right?

There is no flaw in my logic, you've already been disproved on this topic by many other members in another thread you made, so let's not discuss it too much further.

And you have no evidence that the Kyuubi wouldn't have been had he not been weakened in battle, *yawn*

Try to understand what you post. Even you stated "AS" weapons. But were they weapons? no. No living person can be a weapon. They can be used AS one.. Just like Hashirama can use the Senju clan as weapons.. Shinsuusenju isn't a summoning smartass, its a creation.


Yea the only thing is you guys believe you disproved it.. but sadly all you guys do is ignore what I say and go with your ONE SIDED logic.

Yea but here is the thing claimed it first =]. Now prove it or you have no point in declaring BS stuff.

 

[damon hunt]

ms,ems,vote,prime,non prime its still madara goddammit debating what kind of madara was madara

 

[Draphsin]

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Prime = person's maximum potential, EMS madara's potential ended at kurama + PS which is as crossroads already said, VoTE madara.

 

[Crossroads]

Try to understand what you post. Even you stated "AS" weapons. But were they weapons? no. No living person can be a weapon. They can be used AS one.. Just like Hashirama can use the Senju clan as weapons.. Shinsuusenju isn't a summoning smartass, its a creation.
Yea the only thing is you guys believe you disproved it.. but sadly all you guys do is ignore what I say and go with your ONE SIDED logic.

Yea but here is the thing claimed it first =]. Now prove it or you have no point in declaring BS stuff.

They were viewed as weapons at the time, so I'm considering the Kyuubi to be a weapon of VotE Madara's arsenal. I know ShinSusenju isn't a summoning, but it paralleled with your terrible analogy, which is why I brought it up. You were disproved like 4-5 times over, by unbiased and logical members, one sided logic..? Quite the contrary. You cannot prove that Madara wouldn't have been able to keep the Kyuubi under his control had Hashirama not beat him half to death. Do you think that if Madara and Hashirama didn't fight, that out of nowhere Madara would just "lose" control? Madara Uchiha? You've got to be kidding, stop being so ludicrous.

 

[Strict]

VOTE Madara = EMS Madara, just with more experience.

 

[Crossroads]

VOTE Madara = EMS Madara, just with more experience.

And the strongest remnant of a God, (Kyuubi).

 

[KingHashirama]

They were viewed as weapons at the time, so I'm considering the Kyuubi to be a weapon of VotE Madara's arsenal. I know ShinSusenju isn't a summoning, but it paralleled with your terrible analogy, which is why I brought it up. You were disproved like 4-5 times over, by unbiased and logical members, one sided logic..? Quite the contrary. You cannot prove that Madara wouldn't have been able to keep the Kyuubi under his control had Hashirama not beat him half to death. Do you think that if Madara and Hashirama didn't fight, that out of nowhere Madara would just "lose" control? Madara Uchiha? You've got to be kidding, stop being so ludicrous.

Key word is as weapons. Weapons are never included when you judge someone's prime. Prime has to do with the ability. And no Shinsuusenju did not parallel with my analogy, considering it isn't a being. It is basically Hashirama in the form a big buddha statue. Just like how Madara has PS. Did you see me talking about PS? No... Sadly you fail to see the flaws in your post.

Now why didn't Madara take back Kurama here, he sure was in a healthy condition? Oh wait yes.. cause he freaking couldn't, because Hashirama had that fox locked down.

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No no no now your talking about not in that fight?? Madara only got KURAMA FOR THAT FIGHT. You can't make stupid ass scenarios that can't happen. lmao. Bro you sound so desperate.

 

[Crossroads]

Key word is as weapons. Weapons are never included when you judge someone's prime. Prime has to do with the ability. And no Shinsuusenju did not parallel with my analogy, considering it isn't a being. It is basically Hashirama in the form a big buddha statue. Just like how Madara has PS. Did you see me talking about PS? No... Sadly you fail to see the flaws in your post.

Now why didn't Madara take back Kurama here, he sure was in a healthy condition? Oh wait yes.. cause he freaking couldn't, because Hashirama had that fox locked down.

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No no no now your talking about not in that fight?? Madara only got KURAMA FOR THAT FIGHT. You can't make stupid ass scenarios that can't happen. lmao. Bro you sound so desperate.

I have a feeling you skip every other word while reading, anyway. Who are you to say weapons aren't included when judging someone's prime? That's just your personal opinion, don't spout that nonsense like it's factual. And yes, ShinSusenju did parallel with your analogy.. is a basketball a being? Nope.. You're not countering anything, you're not proving your claim, and you're certainly not getting your insane point across.

@Bold, this clearly proves you lack reading comprehension. Where did I say that Madara had the power to take back the Kyuubi from Hashirama?
All I stated was, if Hashirama never fought Madara at VotE, Madara would've maintained control over the Kyuubi (unless someone greater than or equal to Hashirama took it from him, and someone like that didn't exist at the time). <--You can't prove that wrong.

@Underlined, what exactly are you talking about? This is what people do when they're losing an argument, they bring up something completely irrelevant and incoherent, you make it sound as if you're laughing about the matter when reality is you're pulling things out of your ass to try and back up some claim of lunacy. Had Madara stayed away from Hashirama, the Kyuubi would have never left his grasp.

Conclusion: The strongest Bijuu(aside from the God Tree), Kurama/Kyuubi, was a part of Madara's arsenal before being stripped of this entity by Hashirama Senju.

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[KingHashirama]

I have a feeling you skip every other word while reading, anyway. Who are you to say weapons aren't included when judging someone's prime? That's just your personal opinion, don't spout that nonsense like it's factual. And yes, ShinSusenju did parallel with your analogy.. is a basketball a being? Nope.. You're not countering anything, you're not proving your claim, and you're certainly not getting your insane point across.

@Bold, this clearly proves you lack reading comprehension. Where did I say that Madara had the power to take back the Kyuubi from Hashirama?
All I stated was, if Hashirama never fought Madara at VotE, Madara would've maintained control over the Kyuubi (unless someone greater than or equal to Hashirama took it from him, and someone like that didn't exist at the time). <--You can't prove that wrong.

@Underlined, what exactly are you talking about? This is what people do when they're losing an argument, they bring up something completely irrelevant and incoherent, you make it sound as if you're laughing about the matter when reality is you're pulling things out of your ass to try and back up some claim of lunacy. Had Madara stayed away from Hashirama, the Kyuubi would have never left his grasp.

Conclusion: The strongest Bijuu(aside from the God Tree), Kurama/Kyuubi, was a part of Madara's arsenal before being stripped of this entity by Hashirama Senju.

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Because you can have a strong weapon, and still be weak yourself. ... pretty common sense.. you just have to apply it sometimes you know.

And ohh you meant the basketball thing. Not the Basketball was a reference to weapons not Kyuubi. Shinsuusenju is Hashirama himself.

Dude you said if Madara wasn't weak he would've been able to sway the Kyuubi.. and the only time he had the kyuubi was against Hashirama.... So it is only logical that a person would think you are talking bout their fight and not a retarded scenario that you made up.

Had Madara stayed away from Hashirama, he would've never gotten the Kurama, since Kurama was for using it against Hashirama...

Conclusion Arsenal has nothing to do with prime. Once you get what a prime of a person you will start to realize it. Right now your being a typical follower and restating what others like you who only go 1 sided with their logic have stated.

Not to mention you ignored my point about Senju clan and Konoha being Hashirama's power...

 

[Draphsin]

Conclusion Arsenal has nothing to do with prime.

Holy sh*t this is sig worthy...

 

[Crossroads]

Holy sh*t this is sig worthy...

Lol, that made me laugh.

He's trying to fight quality with quantity, he's just regurgitating his former posts.