[Question] Evil

[WhistleBlower]

As we know OP makes you question what is evil.


Something disturbs me though, people keep saying someone's action is not evil simply cuz the person didn't do that action out of evil intent they did it out of selfishness or whatever reason.


Since when does a person have to commit an evil act out of evil for it to be viewed as evil?


for instance we have serials killers, rapist, thieves, Hitler , Israel and so forth .. A lot of those people did not view their actions as evil or did them out of evil intent but their act remain evil.


So why do people try to make a thousand excuse for evil?

 

[knation]

Everyone has their own opinion. But my opinion on evil is anything that goes against God's wishes. Which would mean that im guilty of doing at least something evil. Whether it be minor or major.

 

[WolfHaley]

Nothing is inherently evil. We label things as evil and label things as good. Something is good or evil when it's convenient to label it as so.

 

[FranklinGTAV]

okay , lets discuss on why konoha would let sasuke become hokage , since the subject is about evil.

on other end... ace wasn't evil , therefore akainu was the evil one , but... the one who decided to be killed was ace himself , because remember , ace put in front of luffy , because akainu would about to kill luffy bc he was the son of dragon and guess what , we don't know what dragon did to akainu so that he would become so obsessed with luffy , some might say that it is because dragon is the most wanted man , because of what his goal is... but i think that it's an whole another reason.

 

[Zexion~]

OP Makes you question evil because of the awful character design >.>


They are too cliche

True evil comes with a good face U_U

 

[Chihaya]

It just depends on perspective. Everyone looks at things differently. The marines think Pirates are evil, yet pirates think Marines are the evil ones. Pirates want the freedom, but Marines want the balance and peace or whatever

 

[CloyEscapade]

Just randomly throwing in Israel with hitler here...

 

[narutojunky]

I don't think that people are making excuses for Evil about One Piece.

I think that they are making excuses for Forgiveness, because Redemption is a quality in characters and art that is often sought after.

Basically there are three "evil" scenarios that are commonplace.

1.There are some forms of minor evil that are forgiven and represent the readers mundane sins and their desire to be redeemed/accepted.

2.However, sometimes there are major actions committed that require redemption and those actions require the readers forgiveness, not their desire to be forgiven.

3.Yet sometimes there are actions that are EVIL and the problem is simply removed (i.e. the antagonist is killed, and it is understood as killing and not a metaphorical change or what not) and this is where righteous anger plays a role for the reader.

I'm more of a Naruto guy at this point so here are some characters that I think illustrate my points well.

1. minor redemptive evil - Neji, Team Taka, Sasuke
2. major redemptive evil- Obito, Gaara, Sasuke, Oorochimaru
3. major non-redeemable EVIL- Kakuzu, Hidan

I think that when dealing with this type of fiction and looking for honest real world applications of ethics from them can be difficult.

The crux of the problem is that there is right and wrong(where does this come from?!?!?), however, there is also forgiveness which seems to be the only way to escape cycles of violence like the ones that Hitler made, or the ones that the Israelis and Palestinians are stuck in, or Ukraine and Russia, or insert race problems here, or whatevs.

Eye for an eye simply doesn't work, and in the face of that realization how do we dole out punishment? judgement? exclusion?

I suppose the problem is this: one to one correlations of these fictions in regard to reality are difficult in the face of any extreme absurdity involving violence.

Great Question!

p.s. Also intent is a huge thing, its the difference between manslaughter(sorry I ran you over with my car on accident) and murder(I am not sorry I ran you over with my car on purpose). So intent has divvied up Evil and its various shades for at least 230 years in the states, but the idea is much older.

 

[U mAd]

i see what u did there hitler,israel. well i believe things such as killing people,toture or hurting anyone without any justification is wrong and anime evil and real world evil cannot be compared.they say that the world's a cruel place for a reason.

 

[Love Cook]

I think Luffy said it best in FI.

Are we Good or Evil ? That's up for you to decide.

Even Blackbeards actions can be explained, and he hasn't done a lot of different things than Luffy did. How many dreams did Luffy crush in the process ?

OP Makes you question evil because of the awful character design >.>


They are too cliche

True evil comes with a good face U_U

Well, I found something else with awful character design

Now get back in your hole troll.

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[Fireplay]

OP is a story about pirates. No one is "good"

In OP what defines a pirate between good and evil is the people who interact with him/her.
Luffy isn't all good either, he robbed Skypiea. They're all pirates which automatically means that they're outlaws.

There are two types of pirates...

First is the "Peace Main" category which most of you would consider "good"

Shanks
Luffy
Ace
etc. Belong in this category

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Peace Main

Described in Romance Dawn Version 1, a peace main is a pirate who goes on adventures and does not really care about amassing treasure or fighting other pirates. Luffy, Brook, Shanks, and Whitebeard are all good examples of pirates based on the old peace mains (along with their respective crews) from Romance Dawn. That is not to say that they will not steal treasure from others if it is there and the chance is open, but their primary goal is usually not to own it and greed is generally not their motivation. More often than not, a peace main pirate sees his or her own crew as their most valuable treasure.

Some pirates start out as peace mains but may have a life changing experience, possibly a great loss or general corruption over time, and become more like a morganeer. The best example of this is Crocodile, who is said to have been very much like Luffy in his youth, or Gekko Moriah, who stated that he was exactly like Luffy until he lost his crew in the New World. Peace mains have been described in Wanted! Chapter 5 as a pirate that goes on adventures funding themselves on the spoils of battles with morganeers.

The second is Morganeer which you could consider "evil"

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Morganeer

The morganeer fight for treasure and personal ambition. They are greedy and love to fight just to cause other people pain and misery. Most of the other pirates Luffy and his crew meet are morganeers. Luffy dislikes them and only wants to recruit peace main pirates. Even in the beginning storyline, most One Piece villains are based on the concept of morganeer pirates, such as Buggy, Kuro, and Don Krieg. The peace main pirates however, only steal from them, so it is safe to say that the relations between the two are not the best.

Morganeer pirates do not see their crew as a valuable asset to them and will easily kill them for opposing them as demonstrated by Don Krieg. Kuro also did not think twice about slaughtering his own underlings, and the only sympathy he showed towards his crew was because Luffy stopped him so that they would not have to suffer. Luffy was disgusted to see Kuro slashing his own men half to death.

Also, a majority of the morganeer type pirates shown in One Piece do not dream at all, and if they do, it is about achieving world domination or something along the lines of that. There are only a few morganeer pirate captains who have an amiable relationship with their crew like Vander Decken IX, Brownbeard, Arlong, Buggy, Doflamingo and even Blackbeard himself.