Everyone is severely underrating kakashi and severely overrating obito

[uchihakhalil]

dude obito was fighting half assed and still stabbed kakashi, kakashi won because of plot no jutsu and he still got stabbed so nobody won. kakashi would have been long dead without kurama chackra and thats a fact.

 

[Draphsin]

mokuton and outer path take skills to be useful the reason they were so op is because pain and hashi used them their entire life

Madara taught obito how to use rikudou's jutsu (rinnegan). His outer path was stated to be better than nagato's. He had absolutely no excuse to hold back human path

Mokuton doesnt require skill to master either, just look at madara with his first time using it, he created a forest in an instant. Obito can spawn mokuton from his arm, why did he not utilize it better during the battle??

and jinchuuriki paths weren't his it was a fair 1v1 fight no tricks or nothing and he lost

The jinchuuriki paths are his whether you think so or not. Obito has all the components to make the paths for himself. The only thing that kabuto did was give the paths immprtality. Obito provided everything else.

& you are 100% wrong to say that "it was a fair fight", obito was restricted of his best move, kamui. The only way to make it a fair 1v1 would be if you gave them equal footing in the real world, with no restrictions. Obito had multiple restrictions, case closed...

 

[BasedRikudo]

Kakashi had his chakra restored by kurama, and Obito has been fighting for days now.

also the fact that Obito decided not to use any rinnegan techs means he wasn't going all out


also this.....Bakufu Ranbu would have been too much for Kakashi to handle and he didn't even use it again...instead he used a basic Katon

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Or since y'now in actual time this fight was about 30 seconds kakashi just got to the point and killed obito it had been stated several times that kakashi gave up a few chances to kill him obito didn't have enough time to try rinnegan techs or try different ways of fighting because kakashi was too fast for him

 

[Altaneen]

-borrowed powers

kakashi also mastered kamui and couldn't use it during the fight

I find it funny you say "borrowed powers" then immediately talk about Kakashi's Kamui lol. Obito has been fighting non stop, while Kakashi has been fed Kurama chakra non stop. Let's not pretend fatigue had nothing to do with it.

 

[BasedRikudo]

Madara taught obito how to use rikudou's jutsu (rinnegan). His outer path was stated to be better than nagato's. He had absolutely no excuse to hold back human path

Mokuton doesnt require skill to master either, just look at madara with his first time using it, he created a forest in an instant. Obito can spawn mokuton from his arm, why did he not utilize it better during the battle??



The jinchuuriki paths are his whether you think so or not. Obito has all the components to make the paths for himself. The only thing that kabuto did was give the paths immprtality. Obito provided everything else.

& you are 100% wrong to say that "it was a fair fight", obito was restricted of his best move, kamui. The only way to make it a fair 1v1 would be if you gave them equal footing in the real world, with no restrictions. Obito had multiple restrictions, case closed...

Oh he only had to give them immortality no big deal not that hard to bring people back to life and you're forgetting kakashis kamui was taken from him also which is his best move. Also yamato has mokuton how come his isn't so op?

 

[Lightbringer]

Or since y'now in actual time this fight was about 30 seconds kakashi just got to the point and killed obito it had been stated several times that kakashi gave up a few chances to kill him obito didn't have enough time to try rinnegan techs or try different ways of fighting because kakashi was too fast for him

how exactly can you deduce the time of the fight from still images?

Obito could've killed kakashi too when he was beating him senseless but instead went for a monologue

and preta path is instant....it would have cancelled out chidori and restored Obito's chakra

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[BasedRikudo]

I find it funny you say "borrowed powers" then immediately talk about Kakashi's Kamui lol. Obito has been fighting non stop, while Kakashi has been fed Kurama chakra non stop. Let's not pretend fatigue had nothing to do with it.

something you were given when you were 8 > something you were given two days ago
and according to obito fanboys obito has the most chakra in nv and kakashi has terrible chakra reserves so they likely had about about equal amounts of chakra

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Stopped reading when you said Kakashi is possibly the most intelligent person in NV.

Orly?

And who's next?

Shikaku, Minato, Itachi are all dead.

Shikamaru has been -COMPARED- to Kakashi but never put above him.

 

[Optimistic]

Obito didnt use any mokuton, outer path, he didnt possess his jinchuuriki paths & his katon was severely nerfed...

Kakashi won because obito was nerfed hardcore, under normal circumstances the situation would be much much different...

You mean Kabuto's 6 Jins.Obito only took control of them using the rods.

 

[BasedRikudo]

how exactly can you deduce the time of the fight from still images?

Obito could've killed kakashi too when he was beating him senseless but instead went for a monologue

and preta path is instant....it would have cancelled out chidori and restored Obito's chakra

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there was only a few stills of them fighting they were mostly talking

but something like preta path probably needs to become instinctive it's kinda hard to go from dodging things and protecting yourself from hits to relying on an invisible force field

 

[spike2068]

Madara taught obito how to use rikudou's jutsu (rinnegan). His outer path was stated to be better than nagato's. He had absolutely no excuse to hold back human path

Mokuton doesnt require skill to master either, just look at madara with his first time using it, he created a forest in an instant. Obito can spawn mokuton from his arm, why did he not utilize it better during the battle??





The jinchuuriki paths are his whether you think so or not. Obito has all the components to make the paths for himself. The only thing that kabuto did was give the paths immprtality. Obito provided everything else.

& you are 100% wrong to say that "it was a fair fight", obito was restricted of his best move, kamui. The only way to make it a fair 1v1 would be if you gave them equal footing in the real world, with no restrictions. Obito had multiple restrictions, case closed...

obito was the one who created the situation in which his kamui could not work lol. He chose to fight kakashi in that setting knowing the limitations on his body and the restrictions of the techs he could use. Don't make ****ing excuses for an idiot that underestimated his opponent and lost. Its not like kakashi forced him to fight obito chose it. If anything it shows a lack of intelligence on the battlefield to not forsee just haow bad he was going to be held back without his precocious kamui

 

[Lightbringer]

there was only a few stills of them fighting they were mostly talking

but something like preta path probably needs to become instinctive it's kinda hard to go from dodging things and protecting yourself from hits to relying on an invisible force field

that doesn't mean they there wasn't time for Obito to use rinnegan techs or his bakufu ranbu.

Bakufu ranbu is just as fast as katon....and Obito used the basic katon in that fight


obito has shown to have one of the best reflexes in the manga, dodgin Naruto/Bee/Kakashi/and Guy all at once; he would have managed to use Preta. Nagato used preta on Bee's Lariet and that was mid-hit.

 

[Altaneen]

something you were given when you were 8 > something you were given two days ago
and according to obito fanboys obito has the most chakra in nv and kakashi has terrible chakra reserves so they likely had about about equal amounts of chakra

No sense arguing with you black jesus, I was unaware you set the guide lines of borrowed powers being okay.

Carry on.

 

[Draphsin]

Oh he only had to give them immortality no big deal not that hard to bring people back to life

Idk what youre trying to say here, obito was stated to have a better outer path than nagato, it is fact...

and you're forgetting kakashis kamui was taken from him also which is his best move.

Does kakashi rely on kamui like obito does??? Kakashi was an amazing shinobi even without the sharingan, obito relys on his sharingan. Their fighting styles are completely different & kakashi cant constantly spam his best move

Also yamato has mokuton how come his isn't so op?

He's not a senju, he doesnt have the massive chakra/stamina that senjus possess. Just because he has senju dna doeant mean he can fully utilize hashi's power, just look at danzo.

You mean Kabuto's 6 Jins.Obito only took control of them using the rods.

Obito took control of them due to the outer path's ability.

 

[BasedRikudo]

that doesn't mean they there wasn't time for Obito to use rinnegan techs or his bakufu ranbu.

Bakufu ranbu is just as fast as katon....and Obito used the basic katon in that fight


obito has shown to have one of the best reflexes in the manga, dodgin Naruto/Bee/Kakashi/and Guy all at once; he would have managed to use Preta. Nagato used preta on Bee's Lariet and that was mid-hit.

He didn't use bakafu ranbu because he didn't know kakashi was going to stab him directly in his chest after

and he has good reflexes but that screws up using outer path more because it makes it harder for him to trust it and nagato much more skilled at it because he had it his whole life

 

[AfricanProdigy]

Gedo Statue
Six Paths
Six Biju
I rest my case.

Don't forget all five natures and all Jutsu in existence. Otherwise ^^^^^^^^^this

 

[Draphsin]

obito was the one who created the situation in which his kamui could not work lol. He chose to fight kakashi in that setting knowing the limitations on his body and the restrictions of the techs he could use. Don't make ****ing excuses for an idiot that underestimated his opponent and lost. Its not like kakashi forced him to fight obito chose it. If anything it shows a lack of intelligence on the battlefield to not forsee just haow bad he was going to be held back without his precocious kamui

Lmfao, nice try but none of what you said changes the fact that obito in his prime sh*ts on kakashi. So what if he made a bad decision & payed the price for it. Kakuzu did the exact same thing, LOL.

Again dreaming about an imaginary Obito? Paths were not his to begin with.

lol...The paths were his to begin with, obito used the outer path to control the jinchuuriki.

He never used Mokuton because his mokuton are shit even compared to Yamato.

So what??? He used it & was still able to capture BM natuto, now you're making excuses as to why obito wouldnt even use his entire arsenal. He had mokuton, so why not use it??

His other skills are terribly lacking. I always said that, but you were ignoring those statements all the time. This chapter only helped to confirm this

His outer path is better than nagato's & this is a fact. Therefore this entire point is invalid....

 

[Lightbringer]

He didn't use bakafu ranbu because he didn't know kakashi was going to stab him directly in his chest after

and he has good reflexes but that screws up using outer path more because it makes it harder for him to trust it and nagato much more skilled at it because he had it his whole life

that doesn't make much sense.

he used katon here, an easily dodgeable/counterable move

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when he could have used bakufu ranbu in its place and fry kakashi


also he could have used preta path here; he saw Kakashi's chidori kunai and reacted to just attacking head on. He could have applied preta and attacked at the same time.

A kunai without lightning augment wouldn't have put a whole through his chest and he would have won the fight.

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[BasedRikudo]

Idk what youre trying to say here, obito was stated to have a better outer path than nagato, it is fact...



Does kakashi rely on kamui like obito does??? Kakashi was an amazing shinobi even without the sharingan, obito relys on his sharingan. Their fighting styles are completely different & kakashi cant constantly spam his best move



He's not a senju, he doesnt have the massive chakra/stamina that senjus possess. Just because he has senju dna doeant mean he can fully utilize hashi's power, just look at danzo.



Obito took control of them due to the outer path's ability.

obito has demonic statue of the outer path which is the gedo mazo

and kakashis kamui is his best move you can't count it as a negative thing that kakashi is versatile and obito isnt

and what does obito have SENJU DNA

and obito took control of them because of rods

 

[Draphsin]

also he could have used preta path here; he saw Kakashi's chidori kunai and reacted to just attacking head on. He could have applied preta and attacked at the same time.

A kunai without lightning augment wouldn't have put a whole through his chest and he would have won the fight.

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Assuming he doesnt have preta, he could've easily used mokuton to prevent kakashi from moving forward:

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