Establshing why Onoki's Earth Golem > V4 Susanoo

[Edogawa]

Physical Strength

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Ay's punch clearly pulverised V3 Susanoo and only accomplished that feat, because Onoki applied his Added Weight Rock Jutsu to enhance Ay's physical strength. While Ay himself is naturally strong, no doubt about that, but we've seen Ay's physical strength only dealt minimum damage to ribcage Susanoo from MS Sasuke. Tsunade herself is stated to be physically stronger than him. So how could Ay, who can't break ribcage Susanoo to breaking V3 Susanoo? Obviously because of Onoki applying his Added Weight Rock Jutsu.

Earth Golem with Weight Added Rock Jutsu can deliver much greater output force than what Ay did, just by telling the sheer size difference. Earth Golem was seen different in size, which tells us Onoki can adjust the size for any situation he sees fit. Well, I'll be using this size comparison down below:


Size


Compare when Onoki created the largest Earth Golem he ever had; you could hardly see Ay or Madara:

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If Ay with his tiny size compared to the Earth Golem, could break V3 Susanoo from Madara with Weight Added Rock Jutsu, then I see no reason as to why biggest Doton Golem can't do the same if Onoki applies Weight Added Rock Jutsu to deliver a final blow to V4 Susanoo.

 

[Lord Tywin]

You'd be right when you show the normal striking power of the golem compared to Ay's

 

[DrProof]

No offensive feats (iirc) for the Earth Golem to presume this.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

didn't ononoki already shit on the susanoo's by changing their weight while hiding underground?

 

[Edogawa]

didn't ononoki already shit on the susanoo's by changing their weight while hiding underground?

And there is that too.

You'd be right when you show the normal striking power of the golem compared to Ay's

Don't need to. Size difference can speak for itself. Who strikes harder? 400 ibs man or 200 ibs man? That isn't even a relative comparison, when the Golem is some 100x times bigger than Ay.

Kidgamer banned? :lol Good riddance that shit librarian poster is banned. Hope it's a permanent one.

 

[BLAZE]

lmao

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[Lord Tywin]

And there is that too.



Don't need to. Size difference can speak for itself. Who strikes harder? 400 ibs man or 200 ibs man? That isn't even a relative comparison, when the Golem is some 100x times bigger than Ay.

Kidgamer banned? :lol Good riddance that shit librarian poster is banned. Hope it's a permanent one.

What? Choji's larger than Tsunade too does he hit harder than Tsunade?

 

[Zee U]

What's next? Domu is more durable than Susanoo? Oh wait...

 

[BLAZE]

Hope it's a permanent one.

lel this is coming from someone with 4 or 5 perma banned accounts

 

[TRE MERCER]

Didn't Gaara and Oonoki strongest defense barely manage against Susanoo magatama's lmao stop

 

[Edogawa]

What? Choji's larger than Tsunade too does he hit harder than Tsunade?

That comparison doesn't work. It's not like Choji is so much larger than Tsunade. And besides that, Tsunade enhances her strength using Chakra, Choji doesn't. Ay's full powered punches were barely phasing ribcage Susanoo from MS Sasuke, and the moment Onoki applied his Doton Jutsu, Ay negged V3 Susanoo from Madara. Don't see why Golem can't do better, when it's 100x times bigger and enhanced by Weight Added Rock Jutsu.

 

[1yesman9]

You can kinda think of the force equation to understand why your proof isn't sufficient. Force = mass * acceleration. For our purposes acceleration can be substituted for strength + chakra enhancement, and mass can be substituted for weight. We can think of weighted boulder as a multiplier.

Ay's attack = (ay's mass) * ( ays strength + chakra enhancement )
Ay's attack & Ohnoki = ( ay's mass * weighted boulder) * (ays strength + chakra enhancement )
golem attack & Ohnoki = (golems mass * weighted boulder) * golem's strength

You tell us that golems mass * weighted boulder > ay's mass * weighted boulder. That's true but,
if ay's strength + chakra enhancement > golems strength ( the amount of acceleration he's outputting ) then it's still possible for ay's attack to be stronger. ( 3 * 2 > 2 * c only if c is less than 3.) So you still have to show us that the golem's strength ( the acceleration he's putting into the attack ) is greater than Ay's. In other words, show the normal striking power of the golem.

The size difference is sufficient in the real world because the acceleration won't vary too much between two humans. In the ninja world the acceleration can vary alot because of it's based on chakra enhancement, which can vary ALOT. Like for example, it isn't obvious that max size PTS choji can outlift tsunade despite the massive difference in size.

 

[Edogawa]

You can kinda think of the force equation to understand why your proof isn't sufficient. Force = mass * acceleration. For our purposes acceleration can be substituted for strength + chakra enhancement, and mass can be substituted for weight. We can think of weighted boulder as a multiplier.

Ay's attack = (ay's mass) * ( ays strength + chakra enhancement )
Ay's attack & Ohnoki = ( ay's mass * weighted boulder) * (ays strength + chakra enhancement )
golem attack & Ohnoki = (golems mass * weighted boulder) * golem's strength

You tell us that golems mass * weighted boulder > ay's mass * weighted boulder. That's true but,
if ay's strength + chakra enhancement > golems strength ( the amount of acceleration he's outputting ) then it's still possible for ay's attack to be stronger. ( 3 * 2 > 2 * c only if c is less than 3.) So you still have to show us that the golem's strength ( the acceleration he's putting into the attack ) is greater than Ay's. In other words, show the normal striking power of the golem.

The size difference is sufficient in the real world because the acceleration won't vary too much between two humans. In the ninja world the acceleration can vary alot because of it's based on chakra enhancement, which can vary ALOT. Like for example, it isn't obvious that max size PTS choji can outlift tsunade despite the massive difference in size.

All of this is inapplicable because Ay doesn't use his Raiton Armor to enhance his striking power but his speed and reflexes, as stated by Shee.