Establishing why: Zetsu > Sakura

[Shura]

Alright since you wanted me to counter these Caterpie.

K. I won't be debating this since i see Zetsu taking it most likely wo intel; but there are these just for sayin:

b) Hirudora has a

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; damage would depend on what would Gai aim at; and the ground was little destroyed at the places attack went through. Also; he can use

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; a tech that he prefers to use before Hirudora. It was able to

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; it might harm something that is underground depending on the aim.

c) Well; there is this, the

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; it even obliterated the sharks in water and repelled the heavy mass; it might have the same effect to spores if they would get attached like they did to Mei;

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gives him more edge since Zetsu can't absorb.

d) It depends whether he would defeat Zetsu or not before gates i suppose.

B] Yes, Hirudora can probably affect the ground a little. However, in that scan that might as well just be Hirudora blowing the rocks away which would create something like a small dirt [dust] wave so I'm not even sure how much it affects the ground. After all, Hirudora like I said seems to be like an advanced Fuuton technique as seen when it blew away the water around Kisame and Kisame himself. [

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] Anyways, that won't be deep enough to get to Zetsu I believe. As for Asakujaku, fair point, but then again it didn't really destroy the Suna shinobi's body [

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] so I don't really believe that it would be capable of tearing throught the ground and reaching Zetsu.


C] I can't believe I forgot about that. Yeah, that would indeed get rid of the spores so Zetsu would have to wait until Gai has to get out of his Gates mode.

How will he sense her?? Come on dude show some feats... Why was he not able to sense Sakura attack him in the medical camp??

Didn't you read the scan. Zetsu was capable of sensing Naruto and Killer Bee from the land when they were on the turtle island. [

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] His sensing capabilities are quite good. And as to why he didn't sense Sakura attack him in the medical camp, only Black Zetsu has the ability to sense. That was White Zetsu and since Black Zetsu is here he would sense Sakura.

And all he can do is try to avoid..

He is better against someone like Sasori or Hidan or Kakuzu.... against someone who physically destroys the earth he is not going to stand a chance.

No. Not try. He will avoid it. Look at how fast he actually is when he is using Mayfly. [

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] He suddenly appeared out of the ground with Mayfly and shocked all of the Kage. Furthermore he was capable of escaping Kirin with Malfy as seen when he was on the roof of the Uchiha hideout along with Itachi [

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] and later when Kirin striked down and destroyed the whole Uchiha hideout [

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], we saw Zetsu safe on the ground below the Uchiha hideout which means that Zetsu was fast enough to travel from the top of the Uchiha hideout to the ground below of Uchiha hideout with Mayfly. [

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] He will have no trouble avoiding Sakura's punches.

 

[paratise]

Alright since you wanted me to counter these Caterpie.




B] Yes, Hirudora can probably affect the ground a little. However, in that scan that might as well just be Hirudora blowing the rocks away which would create something like a small dirt [dust] wave so I'm not even sure how much it affects the ground. After all, Hirudora like I said seems to be like an advanced Fuuton technique as seen when it blew away the water around Kisame and Kisame himself. [

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] Anyways, that won't be deep enough to get to Zetsu I believe. As for Asakujaku, fair point, but then again it didn't really destroy the Suna shinobi's body [

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] so I don't really believe that it would be capable of tearing throught the ground and reaching Zetsu.


C] I can't believe I forgot about that. Yeah, that would indeed get rid of the spores so Zetsu would have to wait until Gai has to get out of his Gates mode.

b) After those scans Suna shinobi is seen as dropped right into water so flames probably went down before his body burnt completely; and harming surroundings/rocks/earth is easier to harm an actual human in NV standarts. For ex, Lee was able to survive Gaara's attack which pulvirized a wall : [

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]. It is not much surprise to see a body not burning 100 % ( + dropped in water); but same can't be said for ground/rocks etc.

As for tearing ground, it is not that hard of a job for a fighter in NV standarts, they don't work in our type of physics.
For example; a 13 year old base Lee was able

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]. In 4th gate,

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. Gai is much more superior to him in physical strength; An Asakujaku or Hirudora aimed at ground might very well be able to get through; since these techs are superior regarding to power and speed compared to former feats i've mentioned and Gai is superior to 13 year old Lee at pretty much anything.

 

[Shura]

b) After those scans Suna shinobi is seen as dropped right into water so flames probably went down before his body burnt completely; and harming surroundings/rocks/earth is easier to harm an actual human in NV standarts. For ex, Lee was able to survive Gaara's attack which pulvirized a wall : [

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] [

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]. It is not much surprise to see a body not burning 100 % ( + dropped in water); but same can't be said for ground/rocks etc.

As for tearing ground, it is not that hard of a job for a fighter in NV standarts, they don't work in our type of physics.
For example; a 13 year old base Lee was able

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. [

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]. In 4th gate,

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. Gai is much more superior to him in physical strength; An Asakujaku or Hirudora aimed at ground might very well be able to get through; since these techs are superior regarding to power and speed compared to former feats i've mentioned and Gai is superior to 13 year old Lee at pretty much anything.

B] Fair point. I agree.

As for tearing the ground point, yes, while it may be a good point it takes some time to tear the ground deep enough to actually reach Zetsu and not just damage the surface [Seeing as how Hirudora didn't seem to go deep underground] while in that time Zetsu can simply travel to a new location without his enemy even noticing that and he travels quite fast.

No. Not try. He will avoid it. Look at how fast he actually is when he is using Mayfly. [

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] He suddenly appeared out of the ground with Mayfly and shocked all of the Kage. Furthermore he was capable of escaping Kirin with Malfy as seen when he was on the roof of the Uchiha hideout along with Itachi [

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][

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] and later when Kirin striked down and destroyed the whole Uchiha hideout [

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], we saw Zetsu safe on the ground below the Uchiha hideout which means that Zetsu was fast enough to travel from the top of the Uchiha hideout to the ground below of Uchiha hideout with Mayfly. [

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] He will have no trouble avoiding Sakura's punches.

 

[KingHashirama]

Didn't you read the scan. Zetsu was capable of sensing Naruto and Killer Bee from the land when they were on the turtle island. [

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] His sensing capabilities are quite good. And as to why he didn't sense Sakura attack him in the medical camp, only Black Zetsu has the ability to sense. That was White Zetsu and since Black Zetsu is here he would sense Sakura.



No. Not try. He will avoid it. Look at how fast he actually is when he is using Mayfly. [

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] He suddenly appeared out of the ground with Mayfly and shocked all of the Kage. Furthermore he was capable of escaping Kirin with Malfy as seen when he was on the roof of the Uchiha hideout along with Itachi [

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][

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] and later when Kirin striked down and destroyed the whole Uchiha hideout [

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], we saw Zetsu safe on the ground below the Uchiha hideout which means that Zetsu was fast enough to travel from the top of the Uchiha hideout to the ground below of Uchiha hideout with Mayfly. [

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] He will have no trouble avoiding Sakura's punches.

Sir reread what you said... You said he would be able to sense her coming down with the punch... Which means he can sense in the air. He was only able to sense Naruto and B because they were running on the ground. So the white zetsu is completely a non-sensor. Which makes it easier for Sakura.

no no it is "try". Sakura's punch itself is at a high speed...the area she covered with that leap and the speed she came down with should tell you that. Notice how Kirin was focused on a specific point of damage. While Sakura's punch covers a wider range. Not only that if you notice Zetsu was still within the range of the side-damage cause by kirin.

If you believe the diameter of Kirin's damage is bigger than Sakura's punch then you are highly mistaken.

 

[Shura]

Sir reread what you said... You said he would be able to sense her coming down with the punch... Which means he can sense in the air. He was only able to sense Naruto and B because they were running on the ground. So the white zetsu is completely a non-sensor. Which makes it easier for Sakura.

Incorrect. It appears that you haven't read what Zetsu himself has stated. He stated that ''They are finally out in the open.''. It had nothing to do with them standing on the ground because otherwise he would have sensed them when they weren't out in the open.

no no it is "try". Sakura's punch itself is at a high speed...the area she covered with that leap and the speed she came down with should tell you that. Notice how Kirin was focused on a specific point of damage. While Sakura's punch covers a wider range. Not only that if you notice Zetsu was still within the range of the side-damage cause by kirin.

If you believe the diameter of Kirin's damage is bigger than Sakura's punch then you are highly mistaken.

At high speed? Sakura needed to jump and come down crashing in order to make such a powerful impact. [

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] It certainly does take more time than a strike of a lightning which Zetsu escaped. And Kirin certainly does effect more ground than Sakura's punch since it was capable of destroying the whole Uchiha hideout. [

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] When we look at the panel in which Sakura destroyed the ground, we can clearly see the mini Juubis in the air. [

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] However if we look at the scan in which Kirin was shown to be forming itself over the Uchiha hideout, we could barely even see the wall on which Sasuke was standing on top of the Uchiha hideout. We see it as a slim line and we can't see Sasuke at all. It should be clear which technique affects more ground. If Zetsu escaped Kirin, he will escape Sakura's punch.

 

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B] Fair point. I agree.

As for tearing the ground point, yes, while it may be a good point it takes some time to tear the ground deep enough to actually reach Zetsu and not just damage the surface [Seeing as how Hirudora didn't seem to go deep underground] while in that time Zetsu can simply travel to a new location without his enemy even noticing that and he travels quite fast.

No. Not try. He will avoid it. Look at how fast he actually is when he is using Mayfly. [2] He suddenly appeared out of the ground with Mayfly and shocked all of the Kage. Furthermore he was capable of escaping Kirin with Malfy as seen when he was on the roof of the Uchiha hideout along with Itachi [3][4] and later when Kirin striked down and destroyed the whole Uchiha hideout [5], we saw Zetsu safe on the ground below the Uchiha hideout which means that Zetsu was fast enough to travel from the top of the Uchiha hideout to the ground below of Uchiha hideout with Mayfly. [6] He will have no trouble avoiding Sakura's punches.

I see.
But there is this; when he used mayfly to avoid Kirin; no one was aiming him.
Same can be said for kage summit.
Characters can dodge/avoid things when they are not at the aim of attack; even Karin dodged Mei's lava at kage summit since the attack was not meant for her.

However; in Gai's case, he would be after Zetsu and would have means to harm him; and at 6th or 7th gates' attacks; the speed goes at high ranges enough to overwhelm most shinobi barring a selected few.
Kisame was able to keep up with his base speed; hence he sent him to deep of water with a punch. However at 6th gate, he barely reacted [

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Speed of his atacks may be very well able to contend with Zetsu.

 

[KingHashirama]

Incorrect. It appears that you haven't read what Zetsu himself has stated. He stated that ''They are finally out in the open.''. It had nothing to do with them standing on the ground because otherwise he would have sensed them when they weren't out in the open.



At high speed? Sakura needed to jump and come down crashing in order to make such a powerful impact. [

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] It certainly does take more time than a strike of a lightning which Zetsu escaped. And Kirin certainly does effect more ground than Sakura's punch since it was capable of destroying the whole Uchiha hideout. [

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] When we look at the panel in which Sakura destroyed the ground, we can clearly see the mini Juubis in the air. [

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] However if we look at the scan in which Kirin was shown to be forming itself over the Uchiha hideout, we could barely even see the wall on which Sasuke was standing on top of the Uchiha hideout. We see it as a slim line and we can't see Sasuke at all. It should be clear which technique affects more ground. If Zetsu escaped Kirin, he will escape Sakura's punch.

Yea.. because now they weren't inside a turtle.. they were in the open sky and field.. but in the end he sensed them because they were on land.. Before they were on the turtle =]. And it only shows that Zetsu has a range in sensing.


In the end Sakura's punch was at a high speed. Sure if you want to look at the radius of the Uchiha hide out.. go ahead.. it will turn out to be smaller than the area Sakura destroyed. The Juubi clones are about the size of the trees..and they looked like ants. hmm give me some time to make up a scaling comparison between those 2. Plus in the scan you posted Itachi and Sasuke aren't shown..Since they were inside the hideout on the top.

 

[Shura]

I see.
But there is this; when he used mayfly to avoid Kirin; no one was aiming him.
Same can be said for kage summit.
Characters can dodge/avoid things when they are not at the aim of attack; even Karin dodged Mei's lava at kage summit since the attack was not meant for her.

However; in Gai's case, he would be after Zetsu and would have means to harm him; and at 6th or 7th gates' attacks; the speed goes at high ranges enough to overwhelm most shinobi barring a selected few.
Kisame was able to keep up with his base speed; hence he sent him to deep of water with a punch. However at 6th gate, he barely reacted [

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]. After 7th gate, Gai caught him at the mere moment of twitching [

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Speed of his atacks may be very well able to contend with Zetsu.

True. However, even if it is true that Sasuke wasn't aiming Kirin at Zetsu, the range of the Kirin would still catch Zetsu in it so he did manage to escape it. Just look at the range of the jutsu. [

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] It was capable of destroying the whole Uchiha hideout and if we look at the scan in which Kirin was shown to be forming itself over the Uchiha hideout, we could barely even see the wall on which Sasuke was standing on top of the Uchiha hideout. We see it as a slim line. It's quite impressive that Zetsu's Mayfly is good enough to help Zetsu escape something like Kirin so he should be capable of escaping Gai's attacks.

 

[Shura]

Yea.. because now they weren't inside a turtle.. they were in the open sky and field.. but in the end he sensed them because they were on land.. Before they were on the turtle =]. And it only shows that Zetsu has a range in sensing.

Zetsu was capable of sensing them because they entered the range in which he can sense, not because they were on the ground. =/ And yeah, of course he does have a range in sensing. Every sensor does. However, Zetsu was capable of sensing them when they were on the turtle island all the way from the land which is quite impressive so his sensing range won't be a problem to him.

In the end Sakura's punch was at a high speed. Sure if you want to look at the radius of the Uchiha hide out.. go ahead.. it will turn out to be smaller than the area Sakura destroyed. The Juubi clones are about the size of the trees..and they looked like ants. hmm give me some time to make up a scaling comparison between those 2. Plus in the scan you posted Itachi and Sasuke aren't shown..Since they were inside the hideout on the top.

Eh, the Juubi clones are as big as two normal people [standing on each other]. [

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] They're not really as big as the trees. And yeah, you have a point that we couldn't see Sasuke because he was inside, but even if he was outside I doubt that we could see him at all because that wall looked like a small slim line in that scan.

 

[KingHashirama]

Zetsu was capable of sensing them because they entered the range in which he can sense, not because they were on the ground. =/ And yeah, of course he does have a range in sensing. Every sensor does. However, Zetsu was capable of sensing them when they were on the turtle island all the way from the land which is quite impressive so his sensing range won't be a problem to him.



Eh, the Juubi clones are as big as two normal people [standing on each other]. [

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] They're not really as big as the trees. And yeah, you have a point that we couldn't see Sasuke because he was inside, but even if he was outside I doubt that we could see him at all because that wall looked like a small slim line in that scan.

Wait wait, wasn't the turtle suppose to be like this non-sense-able place?

And well personally, it depends on how the fight goes. I mean he can easily catch her from the bottom. But then if he comes up on the ground face to face.. he is pretty much screwed.

But what I got confirmed form the thread is that Zetsu indeed is much dangerous than Deidara/Zetsu/Kakuzu/Hidan.

 

[Misconception]

I completely agree...