Establishing why: Zetsu > Sakura

[KGB Kakuzu]

Psst...who can Zetsu defeat from the ninja listed in here:

Konan- yes
Hidan- Yes
Mei- Probably
Chiyo- yes
Tsunade- yes
Zabuza- most likely
Juugo- yes (assuming he doesn't die of absorbing Natural energy...if that's an attack method of course).
Suigetsu- plants like water
Gai- inclined to say no, if he surfaces Gai is too fast
Neji- possibly, Byakugan can see him, question of Mokuton
Mifune- possibly, has raw cutting power, but underground Zetsu wins
Darui- most likely
Kitsuchi- no (Doton)
Kimimaro- possibly
Temari- pending if he stays underground
Lee- same as Gai
Asuma- yes
Kankuro- yes
Chouji- yes
Shino- Venus flytraps like bugs

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1. Sakura only caught Zetsu because of the Tonton comment: fact of lif is, there were too many different responses Zetsu could have given (instantly making him blend perfectly).

2. That's a clone as opposed to either of the original two




In an actual vs fight, Zetsu can dominate if he's allowed to fight without plot AKA: with his style and not running around on the surface.

However, arguably, and for the most part, Zetsu is probably the single most OP character. Why?! Because he's the best shinobi taking the word LITERALLY. His stealth is unmatched. All he has to do is barely surface from the ground, absorb a little chakra from a passerby, and he instantly can move in to assassinate an enemy.

Especially since they can move Black Zetsu as an attacking enemy while white Zetsu can produce a number of clones... Turning to assassinate the target.


If not simply poisoning or assassinating during sleep.

Only people odd anatomy or healing abilities could possibly survive an assassination, and that's assuming decapitation isn't the method.


Zetsu: Bio-Ninja

Whatever you say, I won't waste my time in this nonsense. Zzz

If you wish to say such, build an argument and counter the OP's points. Otherwise nothing you say can be truly factored in. This is the point of debate.

 

[Shura]

I'm pretty sure he can't spam spores...They just go airborn when one of his clones die my man,

He kinda can since he has Senju DNA which means that his Chakra reserves are pretty big. Konan can't really get rid of the Spores nor does she have any knowledge on them.

Not to mention it doesn't matter, Konan can use Shikigama dance to replace the paper the spores contaminated with new ones....

Possible, but unlikely since the Spores would absorb the Chakra she would try to use for that.

And then launch multiple paper bombs at Zetsu.

Eh, I don't see how exactly are paper bombs getting to Zetsu who is hiding underground while using Mayfly. Not to mention that Zetsu can simply go somewhere far away and then keep on sending Kisei Bunshin to Konan from there. He is a sensor so he would know where she is at all times while Konan would have no idea as to where Zetsu is hiding.

Not to mention she can use paper clones to confuse him if he is going to be underground as much as you say.

You can't really use paper clones to confuse or trick him when he can sense where Konan is all at times.

And no the spores don't immediately drain you ...She will have time to turn into paper

They don't drain your whole Chakra immediately, but the Chakra used for a jutsu such as that will be drained and she won't be capable of doing so.

In the end, Zetsu can simply outlast her since he has higher Chakra reserves.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

In the end, Zetsu can simply outlast her since he has higher Chakra reserves.

#SenjuDNA

Also note Zetsu has immense durability: Firstly he could live the punch Sakura had made on him (a clone at that). Clones could Also survive impacts of air wall palm which is virtually projected Jyuuken. Zetsu can also have his clones combine into monstrous entities as the one that fought Naruto.


Anyone up to say in terms of theoretical lethality: Kage Level ?!


Loving this Zetsu respect

 

[Zexion~]

He kinda can since he has Senju DNA which means that his Chakra reserves are pretty big. Konan can't really get rid of the Spores nor does she have any knowledge on them.

Not to mention it doesn't matter, Konan can use Shikigama dance to replace the paper the spores contaminated with new ones....

Possible, but unlikely since the Spores would absorb the Chakra she would try to use for that.



Eh, I don't see how exactly are paper bombs getting to Zetsu who is hiding underground while using Mayfly. Not to mention that Zetsu can simply go somewhere far away and then keep on sending Kisei Bunshin to Konan from there. He is a sensor so he would know where she is at all times while Konan would have no idea as to where Zetsu is hiding.



You can't really use paper clones to confuse or trick him when he can sense where Konan is all at times.



They don't drain your whole Chakra immediately, but the Chakra used for a jutsu such as that will be drained and she won't be capable of doing so.

In the end, Zetsu can simply outlast her since he has higher Chakra reserves.

No he's not outlasting her, if he sits underground the whole fight trying to outlast her she can simply fly to the ground, canceling out all chakra consumption. Meaning she would be waiting for zetsu to come up, and when he does he gets blown up by paperbombs.

Sensing doesn't help with clones.. He can't tell which one is the original.

Shikigama dance is is a form type of jutsu, its like saying the spores would absorb all of Kakuzu's chakra because he utilizes the EGF...No she easily can replace the affected area's ...Negating zetsu's strongest move.

Zetsu isn't going to sit in the ground all day (one because it requires chakra) Two because well, its basically retreating. Not that it matters as ive said konan can simply come to the earth and wait for Zetsu to appear who then falls prey to a unsuspecting paper bomb..

Konan is not officially the most underrated Akatsuki member (besides possibly Hidan)

Hope zetsu won't get overrated now ...he is still rather pathetic

 

[Shura]

#SenjuDNA

Also note Zetsu has immense durability: Firstly he could live the punch Sakura had made on him (a clone at that). Clones could Also survive impacts of air wall palm which is virtually projected Jyuuken. Zetsu can also have his clones combine into monstrous entities as the one that fought Naruto.


Anyone up to say in terms of theoretical lethality: Kage Level ?!


Loving this Zetsu respect

Aaaand remember why exactly Obito managed to tank Minato's Rasengan, Kunai slash and Kakashi's Chidori to the chest? Zetsu.


And Zetsu is indeed Kage level. People need to stop sleeping on him. He is far from ''the weakest Akatsuki member''. u_u

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

This thread could use some FemmeFatale :snick:.

 

[Shura]

No he's not outlasting her, if he sits underground the whole fight trying to outlast her she can simply fly to the ground, canceling out all chakra consumption. Meaning she would be waiting for zetsu to come up, and when he does he gets blown up by paperbombs.

Not really. Zetsu would still be sending clones that Konan would try to kill so Spores will get on her. And remember that Zetsu can poke out and blend with the enviroment so Konan won't even know that Zetsu isn't underground anymore. And he is definitely outlasting her if he doesn't manage to kill her before that.

Sensing doesn't help with clones.. He can't tell which one is the original.

I know that, but she won't be able to leave a clone and then sneak up on his clones [Or him himself?] from behind. He would simply sense her.

Shikigama dance is is a form type of jutsu, its like saying the spores would absorb all of Kakuzu's chakra because he utilizes the EGF...No she easily can replace the affected area's ...Negating zetsu's strongest move.

She would need to manipulate Chakra in order to turn body parts into paper, the spores will absorb that so she won't be able to do it. And even if Zetsu fought Kakuzu, he won't be able to use the EGF in order to counter the spores since they would absorb the Chakra used for moving those tendrils. However, Kakuzu can counter the spores in a different way so it doesn't matter here. This isn't a Zetsu vs. Kakuzu debate.

Zetsu isn't going to sit in the ground all day (one because it requires chakra) Two because well, its basically retreating. Not that it matters as ive said konan can simply come to the earth and wait for Zetsu to appear who then falls prey to a unsuspecting paper bomb..

This all assuming that Zetsu doesn't appear somewhere she can't find him so she won't even have an idea that he isn't underground anymore. And even if he sits underground all day while Konan flies, Zetsu would win because both require Chakra to do so and Zetsu has higher Chakra reserves.

Konan is not officially the most underrated Akatsuki member (besides possibly Hidan)

Hope zetsu won't get overrated now ...he is still rather pathetic

Are you saying that Konan is underrated? Lmao excuse me? Did you see the ''Konan > Kakuzu, Sasori, Itachi, Kisame, Deidara, Sasuke, etc.'' threads? Guess not..

 

[paratise]

Actually, yes he is.

A] Konan can't find him.

B] Konan can't get to him while he is underground and he can stay there.

C] He can either outlast her or keep on spamming Spores which would suck up her Chakra. She won't be able to turn into papers since the Spores will immediately suck up the Chakra she uses in order to become papers and they will simply become stronger.

'Dat Zetsu.



Look at my reply to Zexion. As for Gai;

A] Mayfly would help Zetsu escape any of his attacks.

B] Hirudora is like an advanced Fuuton so I don't believe it would be strong enough to destroy the ground and get to Zetsu.

C] He can't really get rid of the Spores as far as I know.

D] If he opens up the Gates then he would eventually have to close them and he won't be able to fight anymore so Zetsu can finish him off.

K. I won't be debating this since i see Zetsu taking it most likely wo intel; but there are these just for sayin:

b) Hirudora has a

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; damage would depend on what would Gai aim at; and the ground was little destroyed at the places attack went through. Also; he can use

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; a tech that he prefers to use before Hirudora. It was able to

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; it might harm something that is underground depending on the aim.

c) Well; there is this, the

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; it even obliterated the sharks in water and repelled the heavy mass; it might have the same effect to spores if they would get attached like they did to Mei;

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gives him more edge since Zetsu can't absorb.

d) It depends whether he would defeat Zetsu or not before gates i suppose.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Zetsu vs Sakura thread becomes a Zetsu vs Konan thread...

#FirstWorldProblems

 

[Shura]

Zetsu vs Sakura thread becomes a Zetsu vs Konan thread...

#FirstWorldProblems

Well that happens when Zexion can't simply leave an another random match up for an another thread. ._.

K. I won't be debating this since i see Zetsu taking it most likely wo intel; but there are these just for sayin:

b) Hirudora has a

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; damage would depend on what would Gai aim at; and the ground was little destroyed at the places attack went through. Also; he can use

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; a tech that he prefers to use before Hirudora. It was able to

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; it might harm something that is underground depending on the aim.

c) Well; there is this, the

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; it even obliterated the sharks in water and repelled the heavy mass; it might have the same effect to spores if they would get attached like they did to Mei;

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gives him more edge since Zetsu can't absorb.

d) It depends whether he would defeat Zetsu or not before gates i suppose.

Good points. If you want me to counter, I'll do it. If not then I'll just keep on countering Zexion then.

 

[KingHashirama]

I'm assuming people here think Zetsu can survive a punch that causes such destruction that makes monsters that are twice the human size look like ants.. and are tossed into air, just by the sheer pressure of the explosion..

 

[Shura]

I'm assuming people here think Zetsu can survive a punch that causes such destruction that makes monsters that are twice the human size look like ants.. and are tossed into air, just by the sheer pressure of the explosion..

A direct hit from it? No. But can Sakura hit the original Zetsu with it? No.

 

[Zexion~]

Not really. Zetsu would still be sending clones that Konan would try to kill so Spores will get on her. And remember that Zetsu can poke out and blend with the enviroment so Konan won't even know that Zetsu isn't underground anymore. And he is definitely outlasting her if he doesn't manage to kill her before that.

If Konan is in the air, how do you suppose these spores even get to Konan? i doubt the wind will blow them in the exact direction she is in. Pretty sure Zetsu needs to UN-Mayfly in order to make clones.. As he needs to split apart..and i don't see him doing that while he's underground. Again he gets blown up.

I know that, but she won't be able to leave a clone and then sneak up on his clones [Or him himself?] from behind. He would simply sense her.

I'm not saying that...i'm just saying it adds more paper bombs to the mix...and that he won't know which one to attack if he wanted too

She would need to manipulate Chakra in order to turn body parts into paper, the spores will absorb that so she won't be able to do it. And even if Zetsu fought Kakuzu, he won't be able to use the EGF in order to counter the spores since they would absorb the Chakra used for moving those tendrils. However, Kakuzu can counter the spores in a different way so it doesn't matter here. This isn't a Zetsu vs. Kakuzu debate.

No because Kakuzu's EGF doesn't work like that ...the chakra isn't threaded through the ...threads (lol) But that is for another discussion. Anyway's if it did work like that how come the rock it couldn't absorb the heavy jutsu, Zetsu was still turned to rock.

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This all assuming that Zetsu doesn't appear somewhere she can't find him so she won't even have an idea that he isn't underground anymore. And even if he sits underground all day while Konan flies, Zetsu would win because both require Chakra to do so and Zetsu has higher Chakra reserves.

She can make clones that increase the range she can see ....And zetsu is not doing much from long range...

Are you saying that Konan is underrated? Lmao excuse me? Did you see the ''Konan > Kakuzu, Sasori, Itachi, Kisame, Deidara, Sasuke, etc.'' threads? Guess not..

By that one person like a year ago? Yeah i saw em...

 

[paratise]

Well that happens when Zexion can't simply leave an another random match up for an another thread. ._.



Good points. If you want me to counter, I'll do it. If not then I'll just keep on countering Zexion then.

I would like to see your counters for my points if Zexion is not already keeping it too busy; but this thread has already has irrelevant matchup going on Zzz

 

[KingHashirama]

A direct hit from it? No. But can Sakura hit the original Zetsu with it? No.

She doesn't need to hit him directly..If he is in the range of this attack:

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he is still screwed...

 

[Zexion~]

Oh yeah..if you don't want to debate this here just let me know.... Don't wana repeat of last time

 

[Shura]

If Konan is in the air, how do you suppose these spores even get to Konan? i doubt the wind will blow them in the exact direction she is in. Pretty sure Zetsu needs to UN-Mayfly in order to make clones.. As he needs to split apart..and i don't see him doing that while he's underground. Again he gets blown up.

It is unknown how Zetsu actually places these Spores on his opponents. All we know is that he doesn't even need to touch them in order to place them on you since he had no contact with any of the Kage except for Ay. [

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] This implies that Zetsu would be capable of placing the Spores on Konan without having any contact with her or anything. Anyways, yes he has to un - Mayfly, however, that doesn't matter since Zetsu can appear somewhere where Konan won't be able to see him and she won't be able to notice him since it has been stated that he can hide his presence almost like a phantom. [

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] And it won't be easier for he if he just happens to decide to appear on the other side of the forest [City / wherever they are fighting].

I'm not saying that...i'm just saying it adds more paper bombs to the mix...and that he won't know which one to attack if he wanted too

That's true, but like I said, Zetsu really only needs to keep fighting on until Konan runs out of Chakra.

No because Kakuzu's EGF doesn't work like that ...the chakra isn't threaded through the ...threads (lol) But that is for another discussion. Anyway's if it did work like that how come the rock it couldn't absorb the heavy jutsu, Zetsu was still turned to rock.

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Every jutsu has a weakness including the Spores. Their weakness is the fact that the same spore can't absorb Chakra from multiple people so other people can free you from them. And they also can't absorb immediately so the weight of that rock threw the spores away from Ohnoki's body before they manage to absorb all of the rocks. Konan would be giving him Chakra because the papers don't have any weight really and she needs actual time to seperate into multiple papers so she won't be capable of bypassing the Spores' absorption speed.

She can make clones that increase the range she can see ....And zetsu is not doing much from long range...

That doesn't matter when the original Zetsu would be hiding his presence completely. Konan won't be able to see him no matter what. Also she won't even know that he isn't underground anymore.

By that one person like a year ago? Yeah i saw em...

Nah, those threads were posted recently as well.


EDIT: BTW, if you want to do this so badly let's do it somewhere else. I have to counter Sakura fans.

 

[Zexion~]

It is unknown how Zetsu actually places these Spores on his opponents. All we know is that he doesn't even need to touch them in order to place them on you since he had no contact with any of the Kage except for Ay. [

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] This implies that Zetsu would be capable of placing the Spores on Konan without having any contact with her or anything. Anyways, yes he has to un - Mayfly, however, that doesn't matter since Zetsu can appear somewhere where Konan won't be able to see him and she won't be able to notice him since it has been stated that he can hide his presence almost like a phantom. [

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] And it won't be easier for he if he just happens to decide to appear on the other side of the forest [City / wherever they are fighting].



That's true, but like I said, Zetsu really only needs to keep fighting on until Konan runs out of Chakra.



Every jutsu has a weakness including the Spores. Their weakness is the fact that the same spore can't absorb Chakra from multiple people so other people can free you from them. And they also can't absorb immediately so the weight of that rock threw the spores away from Ohnoki's body before they manage to absorb all of the rocks. Konan would be giving him Chakra because the papers don't have any weight really and she needs actual time to seperate into multiple papers so she won't be capable of bypassing the Spores' absorption speed.




That doesn't matter when the original Zetsu would be hiding his presence completely. Konan won't be able to see him no matter what. Also she won't even know that he isn't underground anymore.




Nah, those threads were posted recently as well.


EDIT: BTW, if you want to do this so badly let's do it somewhere else. I have to counter Sakura fans.

He has to un-phantom to do anything though....

And it takes no time at all for him to turn to paper, ....However i don't feel like continuing this all that longer, two ext. boring characters ...

 

[Shura]

She doesn't need to hit him directly..If he is in the range of this attack:

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he is still screwed...

I already countered this on the OP. Even if Sakura by some miracle knows where Zetsu is hiding underground, he will sense her trying to attack him from above and once he does that he will simply travel to a new location via Mayfly which allows him to travel at high speeds. [

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[KingHashirama]

I already countered this on the OP. Even if Sakura by some miracle knows where Zetsu is hiding underground, he will sense her trying to attack him from above and once he does that he will simply travel to a new location via Mayfly which allows him to travel at high speeds. [

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How will he sense her?? Come on dude show some feats... Why was he not able to sense Sakura attack him in the medical camp??

And all he can do is try to avoid..

He is better against someone like Sasori or Hidan or Kakuzu.... against someone who physically destroys the earth he is not going to stand a chance.